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'Happy kid' kills himself over bullying at two NYC schools
MSNBC ^ | 6/3/12 | NBC New York

Posted on 06/03/2012 9:01:25 PM PDT by Nachum

NEW YORK CITY -- A 12-year-old boy harassed by school bullies about his intelligence, his height and his deceased father killed himself in the New York City apartment he shared with his mother, according to relatives and those who knew him, NBCNewYork.com reported.

"I want to remember him as a happy kid," his anguished sister told NBC 4 New York on Thursday.

Joel Morales, of East Harlem, moved to a different school after enduring incessant taunting for months, but the bullying persisted, the fifth-grader’s family said. Advertise | AdChoices

Kids chased Morales, threw sticks and pipes at him and teased him for his smarts and his 4-foot-9 stature, his family said.

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Poor kid.
1 posted on 06/03/2012 9:01:29 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Socialist hells.


2 posted on 06/03/2012 9:03:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Nachum

Surprisingly enough, I wasn’t abused for being a short boy. But this is still terrible to read.


3 posted on 06/03/2012 9:04:19 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Nachum

If he had survived he would have been suspended for a week.


4 posted on 06/03/2012 9:05:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: wastedyears

Much of this is from a larger problem of being unable to keep student misbehavior under control, in spite of zero tolerance on just about everything up the wazoo.


5 posted on 06/03/2012 9:05:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Nachum
May Joel find peace and joy in the hands of God for all eternity.

And prayers to his family for the unspeakable anguish they'll endure the rest of their lives.

6 posted on 06/03/2012 9:07:20 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Forget the GOP and build the Constitution Party, because the status quo is no longer the way to go.)
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Thanks Nachum.
A 12-year-old boy harassed by school bullies about his intelligence, his height and his deceased father...
I can't bear to ping this.


7 posted on 06/03/2012 9:13:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think this kind of thing is usually overlooked. They’ll enact it though for fighting, because as Liberals believe, defending yourself is wrong. A gym teacher I had my first year did nothing after I had an “altercation” with someone in my gym class, ie he knocked me out and I was mildly concussed (blurry vision on one side) for about 15 minutes. Thankfully that was my last or second to last class of the day. Of course, she did nothing, and became a dean a few years later.

Gotta love NYC.


8 posted on 06/03/2012 9:15:05 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: metmom; wintertime; JenB

It’s beyond sad. One field of study that needs to be pursued is the psychological effects of the public school experience.


9 posted on 06/03/2012 9:15:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Nachum

Oh for the love of Pete.

This kid would have probably been fine if the occupational therapist wasn’t in his business.


10 posted on 06/03/2012 9:17:01 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nachum

Is this some sort of new phenomenon? I ask that, because now each of these tragic incidents are broadcast as if it’s something entirely new, society is going to hell in a hand basket, and we must do something about it.

Can anyone tell me they weren’t subjected to ridicule and name-calling in school? Some people deal with it and others can’t handle it. Yes, it’s unfortunate, but where I see this going is something like implementing programs like zero tolerance and screwing up kids every bit as much as the bullies do.

Is state sponsored punishment less dehumanizing than being called names at school? I’m just surprised we haven’t heard about kids killing themselves for being unfairly screwed over by their local schools.

It going to happen. Just hang in there...


11 posted on 06/03/2012 9:17:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This space for rent...)
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To: SkyDancer
If he had survived he would have been suspended for a week.

I wouldn't be surprised. If he did, I bet child services would've gone to the home, with the idea that the problem must be originating at home. Poor kid probably would've been taken away from his mother, and she'd be distraught.

12 posted on 06/03/2012 9:17:21 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy; 383rr; Abathar; abbi_normal_2; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; Aevery_Freeman; ...

Libertarian ping

Government schools claim another casualty.


13 posted on 06/03/2012 9:18:08 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Nachum
Kids chased Morales, threw sticks and pipes at him and teased him for his smarts...

In el Barrio, they don't like kids "acting white"

14 posted on 06/03/2012 9:19:19 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: DoughtyOne
Can anyone tell me they weren’t subjected to ridicule and name-calling in school? Some people deal with it and others can’t handle it.

There is only one effective way to deal with bullies.

Fight back!

Schools which don't allow this are only enabling the bullies.

15 posted on 06/03/2012 9:21:48 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Nachum

More blood on the hands of the ACLU.


16 posted on 06/03/2012 9:24:12 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: wastedyears

I was/am short. Caught a lot if crap in elementary and middle school, but nothing Id call bullying...


17 posted on 06/03/2012 9:31:28 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: MichaelCorleone
"prayers to his family for the unspeakable anguish they'll endure the rest of their lives"

I don't think anguish is in order. Better his family executes a ten fold revenge.


18 posted on 06/03/2012 9:31:28 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: Nachum

This is terrible. A 12 year old boy thinks suicide is the best option available to him?????

Did the school know of the bullying, did the parents?

I feel horrible for this kid like I always do when I hear someone committed suicide but at 12 years old, may God have mercy on his soul.

RIP.


19 posted on 06/03/2012 9:34:05 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Roccus

Bright, sensitive Hispanic geek in the middle of what, Afro territory? (At least that’s what Harlem used to mean.)

Socialist hells.


20 posted on 06/03/2012 9:34:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: wolfman23601

If you aint 6 foot 5 and 300 lbs you get some flack.
It’s no big deal


21 posted on 06/03/2012 9:35:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nachum

How horrible.

New York City is no place to raise a kid these days, in my opinion. There are sweeter, less socially twisted places in the US for children to grow up.


22 posted on 06/03/2012 9:35:22 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Nachum

Odd description as he was clearly not so “happy” in general.


23 posted on 06/03/2012 9:42:07 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Nachum

4’9” at 12?
Is that noticeably out of the norm?


24 posted on 06/03/2012 9:43:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We don’t teach kids to treat others the way you want to be treated anymore because the Left decided we don’t all have the same values and expectations anymore. In fact, it is white racist to have character expectations for teachers and students.

Some teachers don’t act loving towards kids and base rewards and punishments on consistent social behavioral expectations for everyone all at the same time.
Many teachers act like careless bullies towards the children. In the void, darkness has come in and it just gets worse for kids in some places.


25 posted on 06/03/2012 9:47:14 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: okie01

There have always been bullies and always will be. I am afraid you are right, that the only way to deal with them is to confront them and fight them if need be. Most bullies back down from fights. I was bullied in the 7th grade by this girl. Every day she banged into me, scattered my books, and said things. One day she really smashed into my back, and it hurt. I knew I was not going to take this anymore and I also knew that I would rather she assaulted me than deal daily with the abuse. My mother told me a story about when she was young and a girl bothered her. My mother who may have been all of five feet tall, told the girl that she would meet her at the flag pole, the bully never showed. In my case, I turned around lifted my umbrella into the air and screamed enough! She was so shocked that I defended myself that she backed down and even began saying hello to me. The point is we are not teaching children to confront adversity and that is a tragedy in itself.


26 posted on 06/03/2012 9:50:47 PM PDT by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: DoughtyOne

It seems to me that in my day we were picked on, but we’d go home and it was over until the next “day” (or if you were lucky, the next “time”). The kids can’t escape it anymore, 24/7... I think that’s harder than we realize.


27 posted on 06/03/2012 9:51:13 PM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: okie01

Fight back? The kid was 4’9”, surrounded by “kids” who are physically grown men. How do you fight back against a mob of guys each of whom can pick you up in one hand and break you? He didn’t have a father to teach him how to fight, either. He was probably still sorrowing over that.


28 posted on 06/03/2012 9:51:35 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Lx
Did the school know of the bullying, did the parents?

My feeling is that it is the parents who ultimately failed. Suicide means that the victim felt he had no recourse. None at all. But the family should always be there to turn to. I mean no animosity towards the family, but I think it's inescapable that they failed in their role.

OTOH, who knows. Maybe they begged him every night to tell them what was wrong. I wonder.

29 posted on 06/03/2012 9:51:47 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SaraJohnson

And socialists seem to be particularly bent upon bullying, for some reason. Maybe it’s that when their utopian system doesn’t work all that harmoniously, they try to make up for it by brute barking of orders and crude imposition of will.

Bullying, where the golden rule should be, can leave horribly empty aching holes in all the hearts it touches, including those who it mis-teaches. Fighting childhood bullies back is at best a stopgap. Godliness has vanished from the schools.


30 posted on 06/03/2012 9:53:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Although there are blacks there, East Harlem is also known as Spanish Harlem or el Barrio

West Harlem, almost totally black is what you are thinking of. (Sugar Hill) I was last there in 99 and at that time some gentrification had already started.


31 posted on 06/03/2012 9:56:39 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: ottbmare
How do you fight back against a mob of guys each of whom can pick you up in one hand and break you?

You've got to find a way. You can't give up.

32 posted on 06/03/2012 9:59:37 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Lancey Howard

I completely glossed over his age. The “fifth grader” part has me thinking, 12?...in the 5th grade?


33 posted on 06/03/2012 10:00:15 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Nachum

Remember all these bullies grew up with Barney the purple dinosaur and they all have healthy self esteems


34 posted on 06/03/2012 10:01:58 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Lx
A 12 year old boy thinks suicide is the best option available to him?

An introverted kid is likely to either kill himself or to kill the attackers. Both scenarios had occurred in recent memory.

Children are, by law, a kind of property; they are not entirely humans, as it appears. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not apply to them. Read through it, pretty much every Article is violated when we deal with children. Parents (and schools) can't beat or kill them, but pretty much everything else is OK. Children are told to go there and to do this, but rarely they are listened to, and their complaints are often ignored. This is very dangerous because the society of children is not much different from a wolf pack. Adults are happy to ignore the infighting, telling themselves that "all kids play like that."

Even adults go postal from time to time, when they are unable to otherwise defend themselves or extricate themselves from the situation. Adults have ways to do that; the simplest is to advise your boss that he can have that job and shove it, and then walk out. That's really all that it takes. If you feel the need to leave town - by all means, it's not particularly difficult.

Those options are not available to children. They are told to go to a certain place and be tortured by sadists, day after day after day. Would you, an adult, agree to that? What would you call it when you are forced to go to a plantation school and not just work but also suffer there, with no recourse? What's the difference between a child and a slave? Just the degree of how hard the labor is? Note that children are far more vicious than a group of adults. They may not understand it, but it doesn't change the fact.

If complaints are ignored then anyone, be it a child or an adult, will realize that the torture is not going to stop any time soon. What can a child do? Escaping is not really an option, a 12 y/o kid these days cannot get a job - "for his own good," of course. Children, being immature, can easily jump to conclusions - and they do.

Children are also very sensitive to unfair punishments. They are not cynical enough yet and they don't know the rules of revenge. (Some do, like those two from Columbine.) School's "zero tolerance" rules punish the victim. Many an adult would see red if that is done to him. A child? Nobody knows, and make sure he has no access to anything dangerous.

There could be many good ways to deal with this problem. But adults don't seem to be interested in them. Schools don't care, they have their own marching orders. Parents are often careless. Logically, the best solution would be to allow a child to take control of his life by giving him either the legal status of an adult or at least allowing him to make necessary decisions about his specific situation - with judge's participation, perhaps. When none of that happens the kid, being neither protected nor wanted, sees no other option but to end his life.

35 posted on 06/03/2012 10:08:49 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Lx
A 12 year old boy thinks suicide is the best option available to him?

An introverted kid is likely to either kill himself or to kill the attackers. Both scenarios had occurred in recent memory.

Children are, by law, a kind of property; they are not entirely humans, as it appears. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not apply to them. Read through it, pretty much every Article is violated when we deal with children. Parents (and schools) can't beat or kill them, but pretty much everything else is OK. Children are told to go there and to do this, but rarely they are listened to, and their complaints are often ignored. This is very dangerous because the society of children is not much different from a wolf pack. Adults are happy to ignore the infighting, telling themselves that "all kids play like that."

Even adults go postal from time to time, when they are unable to otherwise defend themselves or extricate themselves from the situation. Adults have ways to do that; the simplest is to advise your boss that he can have that job and shove it, and then walk out. That's really all that it takes. If you feel the need to leave town - by all means, it's not particularly difficult.

Those options are not available to children. They are told to go to a certain place and be tortured by sadists, day after day after day. Would you, an adult, agree to that? What would you call it when you are forced to go to a plantation school and not just work but also suffer there, with no recourse? What's the difference between a child and a slave? Just the degree of how hard the labor is? Note that children are far more vicious than a group of adults. They may not understand it, but it doesn't change the fact.

If complaints are ignored then anyone, be it a child or an adult, will realize that the torture is not going to stop any time soon. What can a child do? Escaping is not really an option, a 12 y/o kid these days cannot get a job - "for his own good," of course. Children, being immature, can easily jump to conclusions - and they do.

Children are also very sensitive to unfair punishments. They are not cynical enough yet and they don't know the rules of revenge. (Some do, like those two from Columbine.) School's "zero tolerance" rules punish the victim. Many an adult would see red if that is done to him. A child? Nobody knows, and make sure he has no access to anything dangerous.

There could be many good ways to deal with this problem. But adults don't seem to be interested in them. Schools don't care, they have their own marching orders. Parents are often careless. Logically, the best solution would be to allow a child to take control of his life by giving him either the legal status of an adult or at least allowing him to make necessary decisions about his specific situation - with judge's participation, perhaps. When none of that happens the kid, being neither protected nor wanted, sees no other option but to end his life.

36 posted on 06/03/2012 10:09:08 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: okie01

I’m a woman. I was bullied when I was a child. I tried to fight back and was beaten. I don’t know what “find a way” means to a little girl who is being repeatedly gut-punched, but I have a suggestion: if there are some techniques you know about that little bullied fatherless kids could use to fight far larger adversaries, you could offer to help them in your city or town. That would be a great blessing and you might even save a life or two.


37 posted on 06/03/2012 10:13:52 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Nachum

Did they accuse Romney?


38 posted on 06/03/2012 10:51:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As a kid I learned early on to defend yourself against bullies, no matter the outcome. Most anything can become a weapon, don’t hesitate, pick it up and use it. They quickly make the connection not to mess with someone who is not afraid to hurt them, bad.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.


39 posted on 06/03/2012 11:02:14 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Youth And Brawn Are No Match For Age And Treachery. I'm Old And May Not Fight. I'll Shoot Instead.)
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To: mylife

There is some bullying that goes beyond the normal stuff most kids have to deal with. It sounds like it was not stopping even after switching schools. I got bullied and picked on because I was smart and smaller, and I didn’t have any brothers to back me up. The bullies had older brothers.


40 posted on 06/03/2012 11:15:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Some teachers don’t act loving towards kids and base rewards and punishments on consistent social behavioral expectations for everyone all at the same time.

I remember that when I was in school the teachers took their ques from the kids. If a kid was popular the teachers gave them special consideration. If a kid wasn't, they were ignored or worse. The teachers never intervened when kids were nasty to each other. I couldn't figure out why the teachers didn't act like impartial adults. Now I think it is because many of them were still back in school in their emotions. It's like they became teachers so that they could remain throughout their lives with the mentality of a student.

41 posted on 06/03/2012 11:18:27 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Meh.
Everybody gets picked on and no one stood up for me.

You gotta stand up for yourself.
I’m sorry this kid killed himself.
One of my nephews did this hanging shit but did not die.

I’m like what’s yer problem Jr?


42 posted on 06/03/2012 11:33:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ottbmare
I was under a 100 pds. but learned to fight back. When some bullies picked on my sister I started to call out their physically less then perfect attributes. I said I don't know what you are talking about with those greasy beady eyes of yours, have you looked in a mirror lately? Another kid had a mole on his face and I called him moldy. Another had really light eyebrows you could hardly see and I asked him what happened to his eyebrows and called him Mr. no eyebrows. Taunting them worked. They stopped bothering my sister because teenage boys don't want their physical faults pointed out in front of their friends.
43 posted on 06/03/2012 11:33:18 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: mylife

Back when you and I went to school they wouldn’t crucify the kid who was only defending himself. Today they do. At least adults would say it’s only reasonable back in our day, now he would get punished by the school too.

Not just as easy as saying “meh”. Sorry.


44 posted on 06/03/2012 11:43:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well theres the rub imho.
Stop coddling kids and let them fight


45 posted on 06/03/2012 11:49:26 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Secret Agent Man

My Pop would say “you guys wanna fight? Here’s some boxing gloves, knock yourself out”


46 posted on 06/03/2012 11:51:19 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Secret Agent Man

My Pop would say “you guys wanna fight? Here’s some boxing gloves, knock yourselves out”


47 posted on 06/03/2012 11:51:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Also you are correct that the schools are bigger bullies than the kids they monitor.
They sap the life out of kids and dont let them be kids.


48 posted on 06/03/2012 11:55:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Bellflower

I tell ya what, I was a narrah skinny kid.
One of the bestest days I ever had was when I cleaned the taunting sports captains clock and the entire cafeteria cheered.

I was way out of line and he was just like what? Then I cleaned his clock.

I didnt get suspended or nuthin

He had it coming.


49 posted on 06/04/2012 12:04:48 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nachum

Where were the parents of the bullies? Ok, teasing i can understand — all kids do that —but throwing sticks and pipes is way over the line. those bullies don’t seem to know the difference between right and wrong.


50 posted on 06/04/2012 12:06:03 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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