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Walker Changes Attitudes on Public Employee Unions
Townhall.com ^ | June 2012 | Michael Barone

Posted on 06/07/2012 5:07:08 AM PDT by Kaslin

The results are in, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has beaten Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett in the recall election. That's in line with pre-election polling, though not the Election Day exit poll. Even before the results came in, we knew one thing, and that is that the Democrats and the public employee unions had already lost the battle of ideas over the issue that sparked the recall, Walker's legislation to restrict the bargaining powers of public employee unions.

That's supported by a Marquette University poll showing 75 percent of Wisconsin voters favoring increases in public employees' contributions for health care and pensions. It also showed 55 percent for limiting collective bargaining for public employees and only 41 percent opposed.

But the strongest evidence is that Barrett and the Democrats avoided the issue. They had tried to make the election about anything else, such as an investigation of staffers for Walker when he was Milwaukee County Executive.

A defeat in a state where public employee union bargaining was authorized in 1959 has national implications.

Unions spent $400 million in the 2008 election cycle to elect Barack Obama and other Democrats. More than half of all union members nationally are public employees.

Public employee unions insist that dues money be deducted from members' paychecks and sent directly to union treasuries. So in practice, public employee unions are a mechanism for the involuntary transfer of taxpayers' money to the Democratic Party.

Walker's law ended this practice and gave public employees the choice of whether to pay union dues. The membership of AFSCME, the big union of state employees, fell from 62,818 to 28,785.

That's what liberal columnist E.J. Dionne was referring to when he wrote last week that Walker's laws "sought to undermine one of the Democratic Party's main sources of organization." Dionne wants continued taxpayer financing of campaigns -- for his side only.

The battle of ideas in Wisconsin may have affected opinion nationally. The annual Education Next poll of opinion on teacher unions showed little change between 2009 and 2011, but this year the percentage with a positive view dropped from 29 percent to 21 percent. It dropped from 58 percent to 43 percent among teachers themselves.

The case for public employee unions has never been strong. Franklin Roosevelt opposed them, and so did AFL-CIO founding President George Meany.

Public unions' institutional incentives are to increase pay and benefits, which costs taxpayers money, and to limit employee accountability, which tends to reduce the quality of public services.

Union leaders claim they uphold professional standards. But aside from police and fire unions fighting dumbed-down hiring and promotion exams, it's hard to find examples of this actually happening -- much harder than finding incompetents and miscreants kept on the public payroll by their unions.

Perhaps the weakness of the case for public employee unions kept Barack Obama from doing much to help them in Wisconsin. Or perhaps he was preoccupied by the faltering economy or fatigued by the six fundraisers he attended last Friday, when the dismal jobs numbers came out.

Whatever the reason, Obama did fly over Wisconsin from a Minneapolis fundraiser to his home in Chicago. And on Monday, he tweeted his "backing" of Tom Barrett, although he didn't use the full 140 characters.

It's not the first time Democrats have stiffed their union funders. Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed House members to cast tough (in some cases career-ending) votes for cap-and-trade and Obamacare.

But Obama didn't push hard, or much at all, for the unions' card-check bill, which union leaders hoped would enable them to reverse the long decline in private-sector union membership.

Now the public employee unions are threatened. Walker's victory in Wisconsin shows that the case against powerful public employee unions can be not only defended but advanced, in a state with a long progressive tradition, which has not voted Republican for president since 1984.

That's a lesson that may be taken to heart by governors, legislatures and voters in other states being pushed toward bankruptcy by union-negotiated benefits and pensions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
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1 posted on 06/07/2012 5:07:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; ...
RE :”That's supported by a Marquette University poll showing 75 percent of Wisconsin voters favoring increases in public employees’ contributions for health care and pensions. It also showed 55 percent for limiting collective bargaining for public employees and only 41 percent opposed.
But the strongest evidence is that Barrett and the Democrats avoided the issue. They had tried to make the election about anything else, such as an investigation of staffers for Walker when he was Milwaukee County Executive.
A defeat in a state where public employee union bargaining was authorized in 1959 has national implications.

This is what I been preaching,
A real leader changes voters opinions and accomplishes something and not just barking ‘Bow Wow’ and getting beat back and making excuses like most of those losers (ref Boehner/McConnell) who we are stuck with.

My favorite GWB excuse I got many times is :"Democrats wanted him to do that" as if that is a defense.

2 posted on 06/07/2012 5:17:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Kaslin

This is similar to (though so far not as big as) Reagan turning the Unstoppable Communism equation on its head.

Before Reagan, the formula for world politics was this:

Whatever parts of the globe communism controls, they get to keep, forever. Whatever parts of the globe is non-communist or free, is up for grabs.

This formula was originally stated (as an observation) by Jean Kirkpatrick. Ronald Reagan brought that ironclad rule to an abrupt end.

Something similar might be going on here. Previous to Walker, whatever privileges and power the public unions don’t yet have, they are free to grab for. Whatever privileges and power they already have, they get to keep forever.

Walker maybe has put an end to that ironclad rule. And that turnaround might end up being as significant as what Reagan did.

(I said “might”.)


3 posted on 06/07/2012 5:19:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kaslin

When I read the title, I thought it meant that Walker had changed HIS attitude on the unions. When I listened to his speech on Tuesday, I thought I heard him say that he was going to listen more in the future....the whole “work together” mirage. It made me nervous that the left had made some inroads to get Walker to compromise. I hope that’s not the case. You can’t compromise with the left - you have to defeat them.


4 posted on 06/07/2012 5:26:56 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Kaslin

Public employee unions insist that dues money be deducted from members’ paychecks and sent directly to union treasuries. So in practice, public employee unions are a mechanism for the involuntary transfer of taxpayers’ money to the Democratic Party.

A point Mr Limbaugh has been making for years. A political slush fund benefiting the democrat party and resulting in bureaucrats negotiating contracts that over time have grown the cost of government. Defined benefit retirement plans are or can be very expensive over time.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 5:27:50 AM PDT by wita
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To: Kaslin

Walker Changes Attitudes on Public Employee Unions

Wrong Mikey! Voters confirm that Walker is correct about their attitudes toward public employee unions... the only thing that “changed” is the emergence of a Republican “with a set” to act on it.

By my count that means that the RNC has a grand total of ONE such leader... Governor Walker.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 5:28:00 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: samtheman

What’s unionists (and liberals in general) don’t seem to grasp is that their lust for incompetence is the root of the whole problem.

I dare say that a good number of people would care a whole lot less about what public sector workers are paid if the unions were a means of promoting excellence within their ranks.

It’s the same with just about every union, with the possible exception of airline pilots, which seem to actually care about their members not screwing up.

Likewise with taxes. How many people would be against tax increases if things like roads, bridges and other infrastructure were kept in good repair and maintained without the 9-5 disruptions or if the schools were actually turning out educated students?

People would turn a blind eye to a heckuva lot of waste, fraud and abuse if, in the end, stuff got done and got done right.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 5:35:27 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: samtheman
Whatever parts of the globe communism controls, they get to keep, forever. Whatever parts of the globe is non-communist or free, is up for grabs.

The Islamists have decided that a similar formula applies to them. The next big struggle will be to break that assumption.

8 posted on 06/07/2012 5:35:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Kaslin
Walker's law ended this practice and gave public employees the choice of whether to pay union dues. The membership of AFSCME, the big union of state employees, fell from 62,818 to 28,785.

This is the most telling statistic in the whole article. I live in a heavily unionized area of Ohio, where you have to join the union to hold any kind of manufacturing job. You can't just walk in and go to work, without the union. I think if people had a choice...many unions would not appear so strong and formidable.

9 posted on 06/07/2012 5:35:58 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: JudyinCanada

Walker knew he had a national MSM audience for his victory speech, so he fed them a little pablum...make nice words.. Don’t worry about what he says..just watch what he does next..personally, I think that he is furious at the Dems/left, for this whole recall thing, plus the harsh personal attacks on his family, and the gtreats against him. But you don’t show your enemies that you’re angry..you just act against them.

I fully expect that AFTER the November election, with the GOP winning the state and the WIS GOP again firmly in control of the senate, that Walker goes for a right to work law..

we shall see


10 posted on 06/07/2012 5:44:04 AM PDT by ken5050 (FRACK Obama!!!)
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To: JudyinCanada

“You can’t compromise with the left - you have to defeat them.”

Bears repeating, because it is the absolute truth. The only way out of the mess we are in is to defeat the Left, and the way to defeat the Left is NOT TO ALLOW THEM ANY SUCCESS.

NO COMPROMISE. EVER!


11 posted on 06/07/2012 5:57:44 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: JudyinCanada

“When I read the title, I thought it meant that Walker had changed HIS attitude on the unions.”

When I first saw that title, I thought the same thing.
I was relieved when I kept reading.


12 posted on 06/07/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: Common Sense 101
Voters confirm that Walker is correct about their attitudes toward public employee unions... the only thing that “changed” is the emergence of a Republican “with a set” to act on it.

I think Walker having the guts to face them down resulted in enough "sunlight", people actually seeing what the unions were doing, that it HAS changed some people's perception of the public employees unions.

13 posted on 06/07/2012 6:02:17 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Kaslin
Unions spent $400 million in the 2008 election cycle to elect Barack Obama and other Democrats. More than half of all union members nationally are public employees.

Those two facts are startling, especially the second one. Public sector unions are simply an abomination, and now they have grown totally out of control.

14 posted on 06/07/2012 6:03:49 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Kaslin

One of the worst things that EVER happened to America was the day JFK signed an executive order allowing federal public employees to unionize.

YOU ARE A CIVIL SERVANT if you take a government job, and the very idea you can unionize is rediculous. It is LONG past time these things were gone.

YOu don’t like being a civil servant, get a new job.


15 posted on 06/07/2012 6:04:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Kaslin

——Unions spent $400 million in the 2008 election cycle to elect Barack Obama and other Democrats.——

Waterloo! You were defeated. We won the war!


16 posted on 06/07/2012 6:14:14 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Kaslin

The free bookkeeping and collection service that the Unions have thrust on employers for years is coming to an end.

The paperwork involved is a cost that has been borne by employers without any kind of offset or reimbursement.

Depending on the size of company, this can be very expensive.

Unions pay absolutely NO INCOME TAX, either. They produce not one little bit of usable product or service. They are PARASITES of the first order.

They are a pure profit organization, which uses intimidation and bullying as their mantra.

I will surely enjoy the end of unions in the USA. They have long outlived their usefulness.

Scott Walker gave the USA a civics lesson we need to pay attention to.


17 posted on 06/07/2012 6:24:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Common Sense 101

Our Governor in Maine, Paul LePage summed up the Walker victory quite nicely:

“Yea mon!!”


18 posted on 06/07/2012 6:30:38 AM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: HamiltonJay

>> JFK signed an executive order allowing federal public employees to unionize <<

Bad enough, to be sure. But at least the federal employees’ unions — unlike so many at the state and local levels — aren’t allowed to bargain collectively over wages and “fringe” benefits. Big difference!


19 posted on 06/07/2012 6:33:08 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: JudyinCanada
I thought I heard him say that he was going to listen more in the future....the whole “work together” mirage.

No worries... the winners tend to offer that up as a condolence to the losers. But it's highly likely Walker sees Tuesday's result as a confirmation of his policies. He'll be pressing ever (get ready for it... here it comes...) FORWARD!!

20 posted on 06/07/2012 6:49:07 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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