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Windows 8, Intel Atom SoC Will Be iPad Killer
Informationweek ^ | June 04, 2012 | George Ou

Posted on 06/07/2012 7:15:15 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

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To: SmokingJoe
Kinda like the iPhone kept its dominance over Android phones, yes?

Exactly like that. Ford F 150 is the top selling pickup, but it does not outsell all the other pickups combined.

Apple is Doomed!

Again....

81 posted on 06/07/2012 10:38:06 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: SmokingJoe
And in case you forgot, Android smarphones vastly outsell the iPhone worldwide.

Bicycles outsell automobiles world wide. What is you point?

82 posted on 06/07/2012 10:57:28 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: Swordmaker

You don’t like Bob 2.0?


83 posted on 06/07/2012 11:15:23 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Hodar
Apple is going to get their cut (30%, I believe).

I often see this figure quoted as if it was robbery. I imagine it would cost a lot more than 30% to make any product available to people around the world, by any other means. When some moron can make a million with a fart app what would they complain.

84 posted on 06/07/2012 11:26:09 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: Swordmaker
I don't care if Apple got the better of a settlement that resulted in apple having 150 million worth of it's preferred stock purchased. It doesn't really change the point. Further I'm not sure how you could claim the newton was a success. It was soundly crushed in the market place by Palm.

I use iTunes and I have multiple iPods, however iTunes still doesn't have some of the features of MusicMatch, which if you recall was bundled with the first iPods. The Creative Nomad was, at the time of iPod introduction, a superior product with an established market. It still lost to Apple.

I've used most major Operating systems in my more than 25 years in IT. I've gone through all of the mainframe/client/PC/Mac wars. The release of the iPod isn't ancient history to me. I've watched Apple go from a struggling computer company with a low market share grow into a money making machine (that still has low computer market share). I hope they continue to be a profitable company, but history shows that just because they are on top today (in their select markets) doesn't mean anything for tomorrow.

85 posted on 06/07/2012 11:44:04 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Swordmaker

Well sir, happy belated birthday! I decided to reset to 10 years old on my last birthday. We had a bunch of friends of the family over and I played Lego and BuckyBalls with the kids. :-)


86 posted on 06/07/2012 12:05:46 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Who is talking about models here?
FACT: Android smartphones VASTLY outselll iPhones worldide.

Only those who choose to ignore the top three selling phones worldwide come from one single company, who makes 65% plus of ALL cellular phone profits—not just smartphone profits—, and compare hundreds of makers against a single manufacturer.

And in 2011, when those figures were compiled, for 80% of the period, iPhones were NOT carried on any carrier, and when picked up, it was on the second largest carrier. . . As the largest's TD-CDMA Network is incompatible with iPhones. That 68% includes Baidu OS which is incompatible with Android but is counted as Android even though it is an unauthorized fork... And dumb Android feature phones. iOS iPhones in 2011, STILL commanded a 5.7% market share without an official carrier and NO SUBSIDY, selling for four times the cost of an Android phone.

87 posted on 06/07/2012 12:21:03 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: dfwgator
Microsoft isn’t thinking things through, they have a core advantage at the Desktop, which is still by far the biggest market

Yep. There is no integration of WinRT or Metro with the enterprise. Windows Phones and ARM tablets cannot join an Active Directory domain. They cannot be remotely managed through Group Policy. IT staff cannot install software remotely (including AV) or fix trouble tickets using Remote Administration.

A typical desktop today has a 1920x1024 monitor, if not two. A Metro app hogs the entire desktop. It is not possible to run two Metro apps side-by-side on the screen.

From what I can see it looks like Metro apps can only be downloaded and installed from the public Microsoft Store. Large enterprises usually pre-install a suite of known and vetted apps from a central private repository.

So basically a Windows phone/tablet has all the disadvantages of the iPhone/iPad/Android -- no integration with the enterprise, no remove management, no domain control -- with none of their advantages of Apple's and Android's large installed base.

Microsoft's greatest strength is in the enterprise. Microsoft's failure to leverage Windows Phone with their enterprise advantage is beyond stupid.

88 posted on 06/07/2012 12:53:22 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: SamAdams76
Does anybody remember the Zune? That was the much ballyhooed “iPod killer” that Microsoft came out with some years back. I think they ended up with something like a 0.7% market share and the only place you can get one now is on eBay.

Yup, I, and about seven others, you included, do. Microsoft officially killed the Zune brand on Tuesday.

89 posted on 06/07/2012 1:12:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: longtermmemmory
where did those numbers come from?

from outside the USA iphones are usually reported as NOT having the market dominance.

I gave the citation: IDC report on worldwide smartphone Q12012 sales dated May 24, 2012, about as up-to-date and as accurate as you can get. As for the carrier figures in the US, those came from AT&T and Verizon 1Q 2012 q10 financial reports and were reported in the press. You can add that the iPhone is the best selling smartphone in Japan.

90 posted on 06/07/2012 1:22:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: itsahoot

I didn’t mean to infer that Apple was robbing anyone. I simply stated that I believe the going rate for Apple is 30% of the cost of the application. Considering that Apple must review each and every application, review the source code for any malicious software and then be held accountable.

Not knowing what the typical retail markup on software is, I can not state whether this is a bargain, or a rip-off. I neither know, or care. I simply want to buy the best applications, at the lowest possible price.


92 posted on 06/07/2012 1:43:24 PM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: Gideon7
Microsoft's greatest strength is in the enterprise. Microsoft's failure to leverage Windows Phone with their enterprise advantage is beyond stupid.

NO integration with Enterprise for Metro....??

You gotta be sh***ing me.

How on earth does Ballmer keep his job...?

93 posted on 06/07/2012 1:50:15 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Durus
I don't care if Apple got the better of a settlement that resulted in apple having 150 million worth of it's preferred stock purchased. It doesn't really change the point. Further I'm not sure how you could claim the newton was a success. It was soundly crushed in the market place by Palm.

Uh, not exactly... The FIRST Palm was released in March of '96 and the Newton was effectively killed off by Steve Jobs a little over a year later, before the Palm became the phenomenal success it later became.

Please name those features you claim a product from 1999, MusicMatch, is missing today from iTunes.

I've been in IT far longer than you. the Apple computer market share growth is outpacing the Windows market share growth (loss) every quarter for the past seven years. . .

94 posted on 06/07/2012 2:03:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: RinaseaofDs

“Samsung is making better tablets,”

That’s entirely arguable...Apple has many advantages including the Retina Display, lack of fragmentation, and software stack.

“and their supply chain is rock solid.”

That’s nice, but you can’t avoid the fact that Apple is now the 800 lb. gorilla in the room when it comes to buying power.

“Android’s open system will eventually wreck iOS”

So far it isn’t happening, iOS is thriving. Android fragmentation and security problems are looking like a big hurdle.

“which is a repeat of the mistake that French engineer cum marketing idiot made when the Mac was the ‘next big thing’.”

????? Please clarify.

“I noticed that Oracle is caving on the Cloud. Oracle was right to buck the cloud. That’s a stupid idea too.”

There’s nothing wrong with the cloud per se. A combination of local and remote storage gives redundancy and disaster-proofing. Encryption is your friend.

“The idea that someone would voluntarily hand either Apple or Google all of their contacts so that they can do anything they want with them is tragic and stupid.”

It would be if Apple was doing anything of the sort. Google, well...I guess I’m happy that Apple is severing those ties.

“John Sculley couldn’t save Apple either. Tim Cook won’t either. They have plenty of money, but Apple was a one man show. Apple’s coming out with a TV now. Breaking new ground?”

If you think the most valuable company in America at this point is dependent on one, or ten, individuals, I think you’re deluded. Apple has been hiring the best and the brightest for many years now. Jobs did give them some good ideas to carry them in the near term, however Apple seems to have internalized the right concepts to keep it going strong for a long time.

“I said five years ago that if Jobs ever died, Apple would eventually die with him.”

Who would have thought that Jobs would “ever” die? At any rate, I think that Apple will be fine.

“While SaaS will most certainly survive as a business model, the cloud won’t - precisely because it’s a four-year old idea on how to get morons to volunteer their private information AND pay a monthly rental fee for the privelege of being exploited.”

Let me think about this for a second...how much are the iCloud “rental fees”, and does Apple access any private information? Zero dollars, and no are the answers, you’re mistaken again. Shocking.

“Have you heard about, read about anywhere, or seen any sort of profile on any of the designers or engineers working at Apple? No Nathan Myrvhold analogs, no more Wozniaks after he left. It was all about Jobs.”

Nope, I guess you haven’t done your due diligence. Read about Jonathan Ives, he’s making $10 million a year as Apple’s chief design engineer. Also, as I said above, Apple has been hiring the best and brightest for some time. You’ll be hearing about them and their amazing innovations over the next few decades... :-)


95 posted on 06/07/2012 3:51:19 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: Durus
I don't care if Apple got the better of a settlement that resulted in apple having 150 million worth of it's preferred stock purchased. It doesn't really change the point. Further I'm not sure how you could claim the newton was a success. It was soundly crushed in the market place by Palm.

By the way, it DOES change the point you were trying to make! The point I was making was to correct your claim that Bill Gates had loaned Apple money to keep the company out of bankruptcy. What you were repeating was not true. That was the spin MICROSOFT started to put on it over a year later in its FUD campaigns. I am merely posting the facts to correct the lie, the myth that keeps popping up like a hydra. This is probably the hundredth time I've had to post it on FreeRepublic. The facts are easy to find. The three interlocking contracts ending that lawsuit are available on the Internet, having been removed from judicial seal about five years ago.

96 posted on 06/07/2012 3:58:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SmokingJoe
Windows 8 on Intel is both a tablet and a desktop. They are sacrificing nothing. Watch this video of the Acer Iconia W510 Windows 8 tablet/Desktop : http://www.viddler.com/v/d54c5646?secret=71163275

Aw MAN! How cool is that! Laptop and tablet in one unit. I HATE being on a tablet because there is no keyboard, and it won't do 'real productivity' things very comfortably... But I love a tablet for social/net type stuff, tho I am always worried about the unprotected nature of it's design... This is the best of both worlds! If it has anything approaching real power in 'laptop mode', I guarantee you I will be owning that thing.

Thx for the headsup!

97 posted on 06/07/2012 6:15:22 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Swordmaker

No it doesn’t, the point was that Apple hasn’t always been at the top of the heap and they probably won’t always be there.


98 posted on 06/07/2012 7:11:50 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Swordmaker

that’s a good age.....mine is in August.


99 posted on 06/07/2012 7:19:48 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Defeat Obama. Everything else is secondary)
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To: Swordmaker
The Palm took off almost immedietly and rekindled the PDA market while the Newtons sales were stagnent. The palm was smaller, lighter, cheaper, and easier to use hence it selling very well in the same market where the Newton wasn't. That meets anyone but a fanboy's definition of crushed in the market place.

Please name those features you claim a product from 1999, MusicMatch, is missing today from iTunes.
How about a simple one. iTunes does not automatically sort by track number...which if you actually care about an album kind of matters. You can turn this on but it isn't automatic like it was in MusicMatch.

MusicMatch automatically leveled everything added to a library, it downloaded cover art, it automatically track numbered songs burned from cd and added it correctly to an album sub-directory within a artist directory, did not add DRM to burned music, and used a standard non-propritary MP3 format. MusicMatch in it's day was clearly the superior software, and it had the support of superior hardware. What it didn't have is a good business model, good marketing, and ultimately they squandered what they had. That can happen to any company even Apple.

I've been in IT far longer than you.

Good.

...the Apple computer market share growth is outpacing the Windows market share growth (loss) every quarter for the past seven years.

OS market share of the MAC (desktop) is 5%, lower for servers, higher for laptops. The only place where Apple is on top is the mobile market. Now while Microsoft is still top of the heap for desktops it's position is precarious and this can happen to any company. Then again companies that had fallen out of prime position can make a comeback. IBM is doing quite well as an example. Lot's of computer/technology companies in the past 35 years have had dramatic successes and failures. It doesn't pay to get emotionally involved in a technology that may not be around in a decade. While personally I think there are a lot of ultimately stupid gimmicks being slavishly reproduced by the tech markets I will happily make a living supporting said gimmicks if that is where the industry is heading.

100 posted on 06/07/2012 8:13:26 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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