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Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to Shoot Law Enforcement Officers
AllGov ^ | June 11, 2012 | Noel Brinkerhoff

Posted on 06/12/2012 4:31:20 AM PDT by Rennes Templar

Police officers in Indiana are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. It was signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March.

The first of its kind in the United States, the law was adopted after the state Supreme Court went too far in one of its rulings last year, according to supporters. The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call. The court ruled that there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.”

The National Rifle Association lobbied for the new law, arguing that the court decision had legalized police to commit unjustified entries.

Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police, which opposed the legislation, said the law could open the way for people who are under the influence or emotionally distressed to attack officers in their homes.

“It’s just a recipe for disaster,” Downs told Bloomberg. “It just puts a bounty on our heads.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; donttreadonme; donutwatch; homeascastle; indiana; lawenforcement; leo; mitchdaniel; mitchdaniels; nra; swat; swatabuse
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To: arthurus
The court decision didn't immunize anyone from anything. The cops in the instant case were responding to a citizens lawful request for help.

You probably ought to drive around Indiana next time you take a cross-country trip. Your right to request assistance from the cops just disappeared.

41 posted on 06/12/2012 5:09:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: The Working Man

Police in Indiana now have the added burden of having to confirm their information before they tear up someone’s home and shoot its occupants.


42 posted on 06/12/2012 5:10:30 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: muawiyah
You think it was tough getting the cops to deal with crime before, now there's no reason whatsoever for them to do so. This creates a third world situation for law enforcement, and for private citizens who are left to deal with someone else's criminal behavior on their own!

I will accept those circumstances with glee.
43 posted on 06/12/2012 5:11:21 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: papertyger
You probably won't like life as much where the other guy is his own arbiter of what the law provides.

The cops won't be helping you anymore.

44 posted on 06/12/2012 5:12:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: arthurus

I didn’t know it was against the law to shoot intruders. Anyone been convicted of such?


45 posted on 06/12/2012 5:13:04 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Caipirabob
"Absolutely no one wants to harm or injure a police office or sheriff in any way. "

Speak for yourself.

Until they stop enforcing unconstitutional laws, stop shooting bassett hounds ,end arresting 3rd graders for "sexual assault", issuing tickets for DUI to people on their lawn mowers and "swatting" incorrect addresses because they're either too stupid or lazy to actually check out the facts beforehand, I have no problem with them getting tagged.


46 posted on 06/12/2012 5:14:50 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: muawiyah
This was a domestic dispute.

and unless the guy was beating her, the cop had no business interfering.

47 posted on 06/12/2012 5:15:05 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: ZX12R
Like I told your little friend there, you won't like things as well when all those other guys get to decide what's lawful all on their lonesome.

You might imagine it's you against the criminals ~ there are thousands of folks out there who will imagine it's themselves against YOU the criminal.

Eventually you will tire of carrying around all that ammunition just so you have some chance of escaping alive when your door dings theirs in the grocery store parking lot. And don't try to beat that woman to the strawberry pack ~ she's going to have to decide the law in such cases and it won't be pretty.

48 posted on 06/12/2012 5:16:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BigCinBigD
"It just puts a bounty on our heads"

Good. SUBJECTS should fear govt, not CITIZENS.


49 posted on 06/12/2012 5:17:49 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: muawiyah
Mitch Daniels was born in America and his family is Christian:

From Wikipedia:

Family and education

Mitchell Elias Daniels, Jr., was born in Monongahela, Pennsylvania, to Dorothy Mae (née Wilkes) and Mitchell Elias Daniels, Sr.[5] His paternal grandparents were Christian immigrants from Syria. Daniels has been honored by the Arab-American Institute with the 2011 Najeeb Halaby Award for Public Service.[6][7][8] His mother's ancestry was mostly English (where three of his great-grandparents were born), as well as Scottish.[9] Daniels spent his early childhood years in Pennsylvania, Tennessee,[10] and Georgia.

50 posted on 06/12/2012 5:18:26 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: papertyger

She said he tossed her stuff. The cops had every right to make a housecall without a warrant. He had no right to attack the cops.


51 posted on 06/12/2012 5:19:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Rennes Templar

This is completely appropriate. If someone (an official or not) enters a home without probable cause or warrant, they are not acting with any authority granted them by the people and should be apprehended or killed as any other person would.

Without the authority of the people, a badge is as meaningless as one bought in a toystore, and should be dismissed just as easily.


52 posted on 06/12/2012 5:20:27 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: muawiyah
You probably won't like life as much where the other guy is his own arbiter of what the law provides.

Save your fairy tale hypotheticals. When you have a substantive justification for my rights being crushed for the expediency of LE: we'll talk.

53 posted on 06/12/2012 5:20:49 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: muir_redwoods
Small Town Militarization: Keene, NH Gets a Freaking Tank
Keene NH is a college town of about 20,000 people [including the students].


54 posted on 06/12/2012 5:21:23 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Rennes Templar

I’m sure the wording of the law will look nice on the homeowner’s tombstone.


55 posted on 06/12/2012 5:22:34 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: muawiyah

Very enlightening, thanks, but if the law prevents wrongful home entry by lethal teams of police, then it’s a good thing, even though it doesn’t address the perhaps more widely important matter of intrusion of Sharia law in US courts.


56 posted on 06/12/2012 5:22:49 AM PDT by Marylander (Offendiphobia)
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To: Rennes Templar

Quit shooting people’s pets for no reason and busted down doors at the wrong address because you’re too lazy to do a double-check it and we wouldn’t see these kinds of laws. About time....now, they better be right or they could be legally shot. Works for me.


57 posted on 06/12/2012 5:24:04 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: papertyger
Your wife or child calls the cops ~ you shoot them because they didn't come with a warrant.

I"d suspect that's not a hypothetical with you.

58 posted on 06/12/2012 5:24:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Rennes Templar

Nothing tweaks a power junkie more than a level playing field.


59 posted on 06/12/2012 5:25:41 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: muawiyah
She said he tossed her stuff.

That's for the court to determine, not a cop. "Her stuff" is a pretty fluid concept when a marriage is dissolving.

He had no more business getting into the middle of it than he would if she was pissed he didn't take out the trash.

60 posted on 06/12/2012 5:27:50 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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