Watching the the video stream of the "Obama ballot challenge" in Florida right now...

Caught a few minutes of it...

Heard in court: 'There's no indication Obama was born outside the U.S.' (paraphrased)

Really? What about the 16 years and multiple revisions worth of literary agency author bios that say Obama was born in Kenya?

You know... the bios for which the authors themselves provide the information? Hmmm?

Obama claimed for 16 years and through multiple revisions of his literary agency bio that he was born in Kenya.

I only caught the tail end of today's proceedings. This was only a hearing on Obama’s motion to dismiss Klayman’s case. After hearing arguments the judge seemed to say that he wanted to take a wait and see if the Democrats officially nominate Obama before dealing with the substantive issues. In other words, he said the issues raised were not ripe for consideration because Obama was not yet an official candidate. The judge asked both counsel for a proposed order on the motion to dismiss and set a deadline for next Monday. My take is that he may delay addressing the issues until after Obama’s nomination is official.

Just attended the hearing. Judge Lewis told each side to submit an order in digital form that he could use when he reached a decision. In other words, he reserved judgment on the Motion to Dismiss of BO and the Fla. Secretary of State. The parties have until June 25 to submit their proposed orders.

The main argument of the BO attorneys was that 1. BO is not the nominee until after the convention so he is not a candidate for president, and 2. voters elect electors, not presidents.

The main argument of the plaintiff was that the buck has to stop somewhere, that BO is the defacto nominee, since he would have to elect in writing (under Florida law)if he were NOT going to seek nomination, and the Founding Fathers were concerned about divided loyalties, citing Vattel, etc.

Klayman did give an excellent example of parental influence in citing to the recent executive order on immigration, relating it to the fact that O senior was deported as the result of an expired student visa.

Lewis asked a lot more pointed questions of Klayman than he did of the defense attorneys. He posed some odd scenarios to Klayman with respect to what ‘natural born’ means, including the effects on the definition of ‘natural born’ of artificial insemination, parents who expatriate after a child is born here, etc. Klayman was pretty steadfast in saying that the Founders did their best with what they understood, in light of the potential divided loyalties they feared.

All in all, I would say that the continued technical arguments which include the amorphous means by which presidents are elected, and the legal maneuvering, claiming the priorities of federal law over state law, etc. will again carry the day. I believe Lewis will grant the motion to dismiss with leave to amend.

I don’t know why but I had an excellent connection up to the last 30 secs when the judge gave his instructions for the attorneys to submit a proposed order.

My connection was like watching a video and excellent sound too.

I have to disagree with you on the , heard in court comment.
“Heard in court: ‘There’s no indication Obama was born outside the U.S.’ (paraphrased)”

The Judge clearly asked the plaintiff’s attorney, Mr. Klayman, that if I grant you leave to amend your complaint, will you be providing something that shows Obama was not born in the US?

And Klayman said YES.

I don’t know why but I had an excellent connection up to the last 30 secs when the judge gave his instructions for the attorneys to submit a proposed order.

My connection was like watching a video and excellent sound too.

I have to disagree with you on the , heard in court comment.
“Heard in court: ‘There’s no indication Obama was born outside the U.S.’ (paraphrased)”

The Judge clearly asked the plaintiff’s attorney, Mr. Klayman, that if I grant you leave to amend your complaint, will you be providing something that shows Obama was not born in the US?

And Klayman said YES.

I don’t know why but I had an excellent connection up to the last 30 secs when the judge gave his instructions for the attorneys to submit a proposed order.

My connection was like watching a video and excellent sound too.

I have to disagree with you on the , heard in court comment.
“Heard in court: ‘There’s no indication Obama was born outside the U.S.’ (paraphrased)”

The Judge clearly asked the plaintiff’s attorney, Mr. Klayman, that if I grant you leave to amend your complaint, will you be providing something that shows Obama was not born in the US?

And Klayman said YES.

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