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Defeat of healthcare law would erode votersí trust in Supreme Court (LibSpin)
The Hill ^ | 6/18/12 | Williams

Posted on 06/18/2012 8:40:56 AM PDT by pabianice

Every political strategist working the fall elections sees a game changer coming by the end of the month.

That’s when the Supreme Court rules on the constitutionality of President Obama’s signature legislative accomplishment, the Affordable Care Act.

The Democrats have a nuclear option in this political game if the high court throws out the healthcare law as unconstitutional.

That blowup-the-system button, not pushed since FDR’s attempt to stack the court with Democrats during the New Deal, is for Obama to use the bully pulpit of the White House, and the national stage of a presidential campaign, to launch a bitter attack on the current court as a corrupt tool of the Republican right wing.

It is a move that could energize Democrats and independents even as Republicans celebrate a major legal victory.

Some Democrats, sensing a political windfall, can’t wait to start the offensive.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 57states; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; kenyanbornmuzzie; mediawingofthednc; mymuslimfaith; partisanmediashills; swrdswllwngsdshw
Obama ruins everything he touches.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 8:41:09 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Wouldn’t surprise me. He’ll burn the house down if he doesn’t win.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 8:45:09 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: pabianice
Defeat of healthcare law would erode voters’ trust in Supreme Court

Figures they would have it exactly bass ackwards.

If they don't rule it unconstitutional, there is no reason to trust them.

3 posted on 06/18/2012 8:45:09 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happening to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: pabianice

Williams is clearly mentally challenged. Uber-Liberals Ginsberg and Kagan rule, that’s admirable judicial temperment. Thomas or Scalia rule, that’s insane political activism. How far we’ve fallen after 45 years of diseased Liberal mis-education.


4 posted on 06/18/2012 8:45:18 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

This isn’t even debatable. It’s unconstitutional. Any ruling to the contrary will be a travesty and more proof that the SC is becoming overly political.


5 posted on 06/18/2012 8:47:02 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: pabianice

Juan is a tool.


6 posted on 06/18/2012 8:49:39 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: pabianice

No, it will be a great relief if struck down.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 9:00:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: pabianice

No, it won’t.

However, if they uphold this communist crap, I will never consider, obey or respect anything else they or the rest of the US federal communists do again.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 9:02:55 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: pabianice

Defeat of healthcare law would erode voters’ trust in Supreme Court???...Huh?

Only for whack left socialist liberals who don’t give a crap about the Constitution...


9 posted on 06/18/2012 9:05:42 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: chris37
However, if they uphold this communist crap, I will never consider, obey or respect anything else they or the rest of the US federal communists do again.

I dare say that if it is not held unconstitutional, that the Republic is no more in fact, not just in words. And as such, I would say that any and all means necessary to protect ourselves is warranted.

10 posted on 06/18/2012 9:06:39 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: pabianice
Democrats soil institutions.

Left out of Guano Williams’ column were the filthy, corrupt practices utilized by Hussein, Dingy Harry, and Nazi Pelosi. No hearings, written in secret, never read by members, shady parliamentary subterfuges, opposed then as now by a significant majority of Americans, dozens of bribes and special cutouts. Oh, and Obamacare does not apply to Congress or senior pols. Yes, there are two Americas.

11 posted on 06/18/2012 9:17:11 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: pabianice
This headline, and Williams' confidence that he would not be ridiculed for even suggesting such an outrageous idea, indicates the degree to which the so-called "progressives" believe they have dumbed down American citizens regarding their Constitution's protections for their individual rights.

Thomas Jefferson, America's third President:

"On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

Given Jefferson's declaration concerning the method of approaching constitutional interpretation, and given all we can glean from explanations by Madison, Jay and Hamilton in the 85 essays of THE FEDERALIST, as well as the writings and speeches of those who debated and ratified the Constitution, can anyone believe that the Democrats' imposition of the so-called "health care" bill is consistent with the "spirit" of individual liberty of the Framers of our Constitution?

"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise." - Thomas Jefferson

"The enviable condition of the people of the United States is often too much ascribed to the physical advantages of their soil & climate .... But a just estimate of the happiness of our country will never overlook what belongs to the fertile activity of a free people and the benign influence of a responsible government." - James Madison

These, and all the other writings and speeches of the founding period, as well as the vast explosion of freedom, opportunity, innovation, productivity, and liberty for oppressed people from all over the world under the influence of "a free people and the benign influence of" a limited and "chained" government power, should indicate to all of us today that a Supreme Court who, individually, have studied the principles of the document they are using as a measuring tool for this massive power grab commonly called "obamacare," will in no wise believe that a single Framer of the Constitution would affirm its legitimacy.

12 posted on 06/18/2012 9:23:48 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: pabianice

Considering that Obie and the congress have record low approval ratings I don’t think the Supremes are the problem. But don’t try to point that out to a liberal - they’re impervious to the obvious.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 9:28:48 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Proud to be an American.)
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To: pabianice
You know what, Juan?

Just suck it.

Simply, that.

Just suck it.

14 posted on 06/18/2012 9:29:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: pabianice

Ha! During the last national election, I worked at a survey center. NO ‘self-identified Democrat’ that I surveyed knew what a ‘supreme court justice’ WAS or could name one. Neither could they say what these individuals DID once you gave them the names!!

Believe me... Liberal voters are dumb as dirt and twice as common!


15 posted on 06/18/2012 9:31:01 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: pabianice

As 70% or so of the US population dislikes this rammed down our throats legislation, I would guess that overturning it would INCREASE respect for the Supreme Court.

Where do they get this kinda junk spin??????


16 posted on 06/18/2012 9:34:23 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: pabianice
Defeat of healthcare law would erode voters’ trust in Supreme Court

The Demos are accustomed to the SCOTUS giving a rubber stamp approval to all things leftist. They will go nutz when SCOTUS denies them a "right"

17 posted on 06/18/2012 9:36:59 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (We are Scott Walker.)
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To: pabianice; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
Dems on MSNBC have been routinely showing polls that indicate that Americans think the SCOTUS is now acting politically as proof of the above claim. Of course Obama is the first POTUS to publically ‘declare war’ on the SCOTUS, cheered on by the same team above. Undermining their authority was his whole purpose.

Back before Alito and Roberts were on the court when O Conner was siding 5-4 with Dem SCOTUS appointees on great decisions like : making homo-sodomy a US constitutional privacy right, the liberal/MSM dogma was that ANY criticism of the court undermines the ‘rule of law’.

Now that the SCOTUS no longer does their bidding their new dogma is : “Overturning any law that we supported undermines the ‘rule of law’.

Hypocrisy??? Sure but libs write the rules of ‘fairness’ and Republicans are not good at throwing their own words (doo-doo) back in their faces, unlike me.

18 posted on 06/18/2012 9:37:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: pabianice
Some Democrats, sensing a political windfall, can’t wait to start the offensive.

How did that work for them in Wisconsin? Most people think Obama's monster should be overturned. Throwing a mass tantrum isn't going to change that.

19 posted on 06/18/2012 9:39:44 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: pabianice

Had Obamadamadingdong and Nazi Pelosi not ram rodded this monster through congress, without even letting anyone read it and debate it...had they had the respect for the constiutional government not to buy off votes to pass it...had it been debated and examined like normal in the Congress and in the media...it would not be at the Supreme Court today.

The Democrats have gone a long way to wreck every institution of society with their hateful, disrespectful, corrupt, radical, unconstitutional ideology.


20 posted on 06/18/2012 9:40:20 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: pabianice

Wasn’t this published about 3 weeks ago?

Not like any of the Supremes really care what an online ezine is saying about them anyway.


21 posted on 06/18/2012 10:03:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pabianice

The voters have NO confidence in the integrity of the SC, and haven’t since the 60s.

Ruling Obamacare unconstitutional would do a lot to begin the healing.


22 posted on 06/18/2012 10:05:23 AM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: pabianice

Why wouldn’t it “erode trust” in the tyranical regime that passed the bill without knowing or revealing what was in it?

The GOP better get off of their dead butt’s and have a plan for making this case loud and clear!


23 posted on 06/18/2012 10:17:32 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: chesley

The voters don’t have a lot of confidence in the ‘rule of law’ period, since the current administration seems to have no regard for it. The trampling of the Constitution, blatant disregard for immigration laws, and the outright criminal activity is really appalling. The system of checks and balances has completely failed.


24 posted on 06/18/2012 10:27:37 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: loveliberty2

“...can anyone believe that the Democrats’ imposition of the so-called “health care” bill is consistent with the “spirit” of individual liberty...?”

Way to preach to the choir. I’m curious, do you convert many democrats over?

Nothing directed at you, but I think a lot of people (me included) here like to preach-post to people who already mostly agree with them. It makes the poster feel good, which is fine, but does almost nothing to bring in new conservative voters or convert less conservative, established voters over.

Remember, when we post here, we are simply posting to an echo chamber.


25 posted on 06/18/2012 10:31:36 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: pabianice
If obammacare is not overruled by the USSC, then my trust in the USSC would erode tremendously!
26 posted on 06/18/2012 10:35:51 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Turbo Pig

I absolutely agree with your assessment.


27 posted on 06/18/2012 10:52:36 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: toolman1401
The system of checks and balances has completely failed

No joke. Obama can't take the credit for starting it. I give that to FDR, although perhaps it started earlier. But he sure is trying to put the final touches to it.

28 posted on 06/18/2012 12:26:34 PM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: Owl558; All
Thanks for your observations in Post 25.

You may be correct in your description that we are preaching to "the choir." My own reading of the thoughtful posts and contributions of others over a number of years, however, has been a learning experience and a sharing of information which helps to equip each and all of us who want to preserve the ideas of liberty as we engage in the great battle of ideas.

While there may seem to be an "echo chamber" at times, posters display a great diversity of opinion and analysis that is healthy.

In addition to that, there are "lurkers" whose views have been formed by their schools or previous experience--views which are diametrically opposed to those of most Freepers. Perhaps they, upon reading such concise founding-era quotations about our Constitution, about life, liberty, rights, and laws to protect them, may be curious enough decide to compare those words with the dogma and propaganda of their professors and Party leaders.

"Sharing" information about sources for the underpinning ideas of our nation's Declaration of Independence and Constitution with others who may be able to use that information in their own responses to the Left's challenges seems to help to multiply the efforts of all of us, especially some who are "opinion makers" in their communities and state or national connections.

29 posted on 06/18/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: pabianice

Bring it on! The majority of the people want it thrown out, so I hope the Dems go on the attack!


30 posted on 06/18/2012 12:44:33 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: pabianice

Dear Juan,

Here is my answer to you, it is a bit out dated, but the sentiment remains:
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When this “health care for all” crap passes, right now the legislation states that it will be illegal to sell private policies over the date of passage. It also says that HSA’s will no longer be allowed. That means that my current policy will no longer be allowed and neither I nor my employer will be allowed to privately purchase an alternative.

I will not accept the “public option” that I will be dictated to join. I will not give the government control over my physical body. I will not pay their fines, I will not surrender to the impending warrant for my arrest. When they knock on my door, I will not answer. When they kick it in, I will make the news.

How’s that for unification, libtards? You loons are currently legislating my death. I will chose the terms and I will bring as many of you along as possible!
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“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”


31 posted on 06/18/2012 12:51:24 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: sickoflibs; pabianice; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...

SCOTUS will overturn this just to ream it up Obama’s nose : )


32 posted on 06/18/2012 1:25:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks pabianice.


33 posted on 06/18/2012 2:50:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: pabianice

“Erode voters’ trust in the Supreme Court...”

Which voters? The ones who want to inflict their costs on everyone else or the ones who feel that some sane individual should at least be held partially responsible for risks taken?


34 posted on 06/18/2012 3:27:23 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: pabianice

I think the court did that long ago in Roe v. Wade.


35 posted on 06/18/2012 6:28:47 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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