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Catholic sisters rally against Ryan budget
JS ONLINE ^ | 6-20-12 | Annysa Johnson

Posted on 06/20/2012 8:29:35 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

A group of Catholic sisters broke bread Tuesday with the poor and homeless at Milwaukee's St. Benedict the Moor Catholic Church, part of a nine-state bus tour drawing attention to proposed Republican budget cuts and the Catholic charities they say would be harmed by them.

"The current House budget is going to devastate people at the margins," said Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Washington-based Network, the Catholic social justice lobby singled out in a recent Vatican rebuke of U.S. Catholic sisters.

"We believe we need reasonable revenues for responsible programs," she said.

The sisters are joining scores of faith leaders, includ ing the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in criticizing the budget drafted by U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Janesville) that would remake Medicare and Medicaid and slash domestic spending on programs that benefit the poor.

The "Nuns on the Bus" tour rolled into Wisconsin on Tuesday - a day after GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney appeared - stopping first at Ryan's Janesville office to drop off an alternative "faithful budget" proposal they say better reflects their Catholic values.

Ryan has defended the budget as in keeping with his Catholic faith.

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The criticism of the Ryan budget is a rare show of solidarity of late between the Catholic hierarchy and the sisters, who have been rebuked by the Vatican in recent months for promoting positions contrary to church teachings on such issues as homosexuality and the ordination of women.

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While some Catholic bishops have called Ryan a good friend and conscientious Catholic - New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan and Madison's Bishop Robert Morlino among them - the Bishops Conference has criticized the budget as immoral and unjust - a refrain repeated by the sisters.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: catholic; dolan; nuns; ryan

Diane Donoghue (left) and Sister Simone Campbell (right) talk with a guest Tuesday at St. Benedict the Moor Catholic Church.

1 posted on 06/20/2012 8:29:48 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Wisconsin nuns taking on Ryan ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.

Also pinging Catholic links


2 posted on 06/20/2012 8:33:35 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

3 posted on 06/20/2012 8:34:26 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (<a href="http://originalvelvetrevolution.com" title="Velvet Revolution">Velvet Revolution</a>)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Aren’t sisters supposed to wear habits?


4 posted on 06/20/2012 8:34:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My apologies to any Catholics

This has always been my problem with the Catholic Church no singular voice on Church Policy , it conflicts with the teachings of Jesus to mandate taking from one group and giving to another.

5 posted on 06/20/2012 8:35:05 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: frogjerk

Most orders dropped their requirement for habits in the 1960s, or modified them greatly.


6 posted on 06/20/2012 8:36:39 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sister #1: "We've got to get the government to take the money away from the evil rich people, so they can then give it to you!"

Sister #2: "It's the only way!"


7 posted on 06/20/2012 8:37:30 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Giving people back their money so that they can donate to the charity of their wish is better than giving it to Caesar to waste and distribute with condoms and such.


8 posted on 06/20/2012 8:38:55 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sisters, in the long run, you and the people you help will be better off not getting government handouts.

It is better that people donate directly to you instead of going through the bureaucratic middlemen.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 8:39:23 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Most orders dropped their requirement for habits in the 1960s, or modified them greatly.

And thankfully the ones that dropped their requirement are dying off and the more orthodox are taking their place. Good riddance to hippie, guitar playing, feel good social justice "sisters".

10 posted on 06/20/2012 8:44:51 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Right Wing Assault; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

My apologies for wording of my previous ping. These are NOT Wisconsin nuns. I didn’t mean to say that, but upon re-reading my squib I realize that it could be read that way. These nuns are from Washington DC, and nowhere does the article identify their Order. Perhaps they represent several Orders. Who knows?

All I know is that I resent their criticism of Paul Ryan who is the only one who is trying to fix this mess.


11 posted on 06/20/2012 8:45:30 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I wonder where these cafeteria “sisters” were when Obama was forcing Catholic businesses to provide access to abortions...


12 posted on 06/20/2012 8:49:39 AM PDT by RabidBartender (No one died in Watergate...)
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To: frogjerk

LOL. My husband and I recently flew to San Francisco on family business. We had reserved aisle seats — aisle opposing. When we boarded the plane we found that 2 nuns (in habits) had taken our seats. Had they been dressed like Sr. Simone Campbell, we would have ousted them. As it was, I wasn’t going to tell them to move, and my husband had to suffer in a center seat for 4+ hours (his choice), while I got the window.


13 posted on 06/20/2012 8:50:36 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RabidBartender

er...contraception.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 8:50:58 AM PDT by RabidBartender (No one died in Watergate...)
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To: frogjerk
And thankfully the ones that dropped their requirement are dying off and the more orthodox are taking their place. Good riddance to hippie, guitar playing, feel good social justice "sisters".

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I'm glad that the incoming sisters are more orthodox, but I am not "thankful" that the older sisters are "dying off".

15 posted on 06/20/2012 8:51:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Okay so they are marching around the country opposing a budget that has not been passed, saying that it will create conditions of poverty that exist because of a budget that they favor?

I dont get it!?


16 posted on 06/20/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Many in the Catholic hierarchy have gone pleading to the government with hands open wide, then when they get slapped on the hands by a government mandate, e.g. that they provide contraception, they mount lawsuits against the mandate.

Maybe these Sisters are just fine with the contraception mandate, who knows. But if they want the government’s tentacles reaching into their business, then they better be prepared to accept whatever demands the government places on them.


17 posted on 06/20/2012 8:54:55 AM PDT by randita
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To: scooby321
This has always been my problem with the Catholic Church no singular voice on Church Policy , it conflicts with the teachings of Jesus to mandate taking from one group and giving to another

No, there is. It's called the Catechism and the Sister's are not following it. They are becoming an accessory to other's sins by counsel. Counseling to others it is ok to be envious and it is Ok to have the government steal from people with more.

18 posted on 06/20/2012 8:57:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"Catholic sisters", my foot. These are leftist change agents whose sole desire is to promote Socialism through their position in the Church.

Get a job, "sisters". Then, if you donote your OWN money to the needy, you will be engaging in charity instead of theft.

19 posted on 06/20/2012 9:01:34 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Don't vote for anyone who worked for Goldman Sachs)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
From newadvent.org

The Church insists on the use of a habit, by which the religious are distinguished from secular persons. A distinctive habit is always required for nuns; the clerical habit is sufficient for men. Those approved institutes whose members may be taken for seculars out of doors, lack that public profession which characterizes the religious state, in the sight of the Church, according to the Decree of the Sacred Congregation of Bishops and Regulars, 11 August, 1889.

20 posted on 06/20/2012 9:01:51 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thesewomen are silly naive unfortunate remnants of Vatican II. They are trying to feel important and “Oh so progressive.” They are actually embarrassing themselves.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 9:02:18 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Leeches getting angry that the host is dying!


22 posted on 06/20/2012 9:03:24 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: trisham
I'm glad that the incoming sisters are more orthodox, but I am not "thankful" that the older sisters are "dying off".

Let me be more clear, I'm glad that the older sisters liberalism and disobedience is dying off.

23 posted on 06/20/2012 9:03:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Sister Act II”, starring Whoopee Goldturd.


24 posted on 06/20/2012 9:04:11 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: scooby321
This has always been my problem with the Catholic Church no singular voice on Church Policy , it conflicts with the teachings of Jesus to mandate taking from one group and giving to another.

Private property rights have been an area of debate in the Catholic church for centuries, going back to the time of St Francis (13th century) and the other mendicant orders. He and his immediate followers followed a creed of poverty and said Christ and his apostles never owned anything. They could use things but not own them. For this reason, the Franciscans claimed to own nothing and all their possessions were really owned by the church which granted them mere use.

Of course, many people in that era didn't much like the idea of abolishment of private property in favor of essentially communism so it was a huge debate for a century. Even when the Pope finally issued a bull to quell it all, he only went so far as to say that Christ and the apostles could have owned property held "in common", he didn't claim Christ or the apostles personally owned property individually.

Now, what might be the position of the church and these nuns if the government decided to confiscate all church property and partition it for redistribution? It's happened before with the dissolution of the church carried out in Britain by Henry VIII and I beleive official church policy was that dissolution was bad. I imagine they would not like it if it were re-enacted in the USA. So why is it okay to insist that the property of others be confiscated in such a manner?

25 posted on 06/20/2012 9:05:23 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"We believe we need reasonable revenues for responsible programs," she said

Sister, the poor are supposed to be the work of the Church, your work, in fact,

26 posted on 06/20/2012 9:06:49 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: frogjerk
Aren’t sisters supposed to wear habits?

The real ones generally do. The lesbian leftist activists posing as nuns generally don't.

27 posted on 06/20/2012 9:08:39 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: frogjerk

The 1960s and Vatican II were damaging.


28 posted on 06/20/2012 9:38:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: scooby321

You and I recognize that, unfortunately not everyone does.

Not long ago, on this forum, a Catholic poster took great umbrage to my recognition of Santorum as a socialist because the poster claimed that they and Santorum had found divine indulgence for socialism in the Scripture.

I really do wish the Vatican would take a closer look at what is happening in Wisconsin. We have a couple of “Catholic” groups here that have crossed far over the line into a socialist political organization and support nothing resembling traditional teachings.


29 posted on 06/20/2012 9:43:42 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The "Nuns on the Bus" tour rolled into Wisconsin on Tuesday - a day after GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney appeared - stopping first at Ryan's Janesville office to drop off an alternative "faithful budget" proposal they say better reflects their Catholic values.

Is child abuse from Catholic priests Catholic Values?? NUNs, STFU! PLEASE!!

30 posted on 06/20/2012 11:24:17 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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Is child abuse from Catholic priests Catholic Values?? NUNs, STFU! PLEASE!!

What does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

31 posted on 06/20/2012 11:29:42 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This bunch sounds like the liberal group of rogue nuns that were shilling for Fluke when the libs went after Rush. IIRC, Mark Belling and Rush both talked about these “nuns”. They are totally off the reservation, so to speak.

Local news last night (channel 27?) did a story on them and I nearly puked. They presented them as normal nuns, doing good, when they are actually DNC operatives tearing down the Catholic Church.


32 posted on 06/20/2012 11:53:45 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty (My Governor's a JEDI, Wisconsin for the WIN ! June 5, 2012)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Maybe they are not real nuns; only staged ones.


33 posted on 06/20/2012 8:32:04 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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