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Pelosi: Obama Should Raise Debt Limit Directly, Go Around Congress
TPM ^ | 6-20-12 | Brian Beutler

Posted on 06/20/2012 10:10:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has changed her public position on an issue that divided Democrats during the fight over raising the debt ceiling last summer.

She now says that President Obama should use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling by fiat — to preserve the country’s credit rating and avoid another economically harmful brinksmanship over the country’s borrowing limit.

“I would like to see the constitution used to protect the country’s full faith and credit,” she told a handful of columnists at a roundtable. According to Matt Yglesias, “She didn’t offer a legal argument in favor of the position, but argued on policy grounds that ‘you cannot put the country through the uncertainty’ again, noting that America’s sovereign debt was downgraded by ratings agencies in the wake of the standoff even though it was successful resolved.”

“This isn’t just about credit ratings,” she added. “It’s about the dynamism of our economy.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; 2012; botoxposioning; california; corruption; debt; debtceiling; debtlimit; democrats; dictatorship; liberalfascism; madambotox; madness; nancypelosi; obama; pelosi; presidentdowngrade
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To: Ronin
It’s becoming rapidly apparent that Senate and House Democrats are fully willing to rip up the Constitution completely and impose a one party state by giving Obama carte blanche.

The democrats never stand up to their own, but were willing to take all the help they could get when bringing down Nixon. James Baker was more Democrat than Republican.

None of this could happen without the help of some powerful Republicans. Mark my words the Supreme Court will issue some very bad decisions soon.

41 posted on 06/21/2012 1:47:10 AM PDT by itsahoot (About that Coup d'état we had in 08, anyone worried yet?)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

Good catch! I should have written “authors” instead of founders.


42 posted on 06/21/2012 2:26:00 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: tcrlaf

She has evolved as predicted, she’s at Stage Seven Dementia.


43 posted on 06/21/2012 2:31:28 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: itsahoot

Bad for whom? Us or the Dems? If you say bad for us, I am afraid you might be right. Everyone seems to be convinced that the Supremes are going to trash Obamacare and the Arizona law — I’m less convinced.

I think the Arizona law may survive, but my gut feeling on Obamacare is that they are not going to strike down the mandate. I am not sure how they will justify it, but they won’t.

I do, however, expect a very strongly worded dissent from Justice Scalia.


44 posted on 06/21/2012 2:33:40 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks tcrlaf.
She now says that President Obama should use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling by fiat...

45 posted on 06/21/2012 3:27:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks Vintage Freeper for posting this:

Debt Ceiling Debate in a Nutshell | Creators.com | 07/29/2011 | Chip Bok | Posted on 07/30/2011 12:12:11 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper

46 posted on 06/21/2012 3:28:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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And thanks again, ErnestattheBeach:
47 posted on 06/21/2012 3:31:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

It's a shame Princess Pelosi did not read how Section 4 is to be enforced.

48 posted on 06/21/2012 3:32:01 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: tcrlaf

..brain dead scare crow


49 posted on 06/21/2012 3:41:55 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: tcrlaf

50 posted on 06/21/2012 3:47:42 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: tcrlaf
“I would like to see the constitution used to protect the country’s full faith and credit"

ARE YOU SERIOUS? (GIGGLE)...

51 posted on 06/21/2012 3:54:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?
Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

The President has no authority under this amendment to circumvent Congress.

52 posted on 06/21/2012 4:10:48 AM PDT by MCF
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To: tcrlaf
Pelosi you ignorant slut!
53 posted on 06/21/2012 4:33:53 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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To: Vendome
14th amendment? Is he a former slave or Indian? /s
Family lore says he is half African
54 posted on 06/21/2012 4:36:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Ronin; To-Whose-Benefit?
She’s begging Obama to take total control of the government and rule by decree.

Yes, by a certain constitutional standard Obama has the authority to do this! This is the law. However, the consequences are going to be devastating to Obama and Nancy. They are destroying the democrat party!

55 posted on 06/21/2012 5:35:16 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: tcrlaf

What’s amusing is Lucas obviously had Bush, and things like the Patriot Act, in mind when he wrote that line.


56 posted on 06/21/2012 5:44:24 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law,

They keep forgetting about that pesky "authorized by law" part of the 14th. No such law authorizing the President to increase the debt ceiling exists.

57 posted on 06/21/2012 6:07:11 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: CitizenUSA; Pollster1; MCF; sirchtruth; Lurker

Hehe. In their own way those folks WERE Founders too. Sec 1 was supposed to make State Actors honor Amendments 1-8 which were being seen as prohibitions which restrained only Federal Actors. (as both the 2nd and 7th still do because gutless hacks on the SCOTUS have refused to incorporate them against State Actors yet)

Nanzi wouldn’t know the 14th if it jumped up and bit her, unlike some Other DC types.

“If Congress can determine what constitutes the general welfare and can appropriate money for its advancement, where is the limitation to carrying into execution whatever can be effected by money?”

— South Carolina Senator William Draden 1828

40 Years before it became law.


58 posted on 06/21/2012 6:38:45 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: tcrlaf
Ask every Obama voter you know. "Is this REALLY the Hopey-Changey Thingy you thought you were voting for in 2008?"

I did and the response is, "the democrats have to take action because the republicans want the economy to fail." These people have no sense at all!

59 posted on 06/21/2012 6:39:51 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: piytar
This kind of cr@p is how dictatorships happen.

I doubt our military leaders will allow this to happen. They have an oath to the constitution, not the president. I'd like to see nobamma try such a move!

60 posted on 06/21/2012 6:44:57 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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