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The Fast And Furious Scandal Is Turning Into President Obama's Watergate [Woodward and Bernstein?]
Telegraph(UK) ^ | June 21, 2012

Posted on 06/21/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by Steelfish

The Fast And Furious Scandal Is Turning Into President Obama's Watergate

Tim Stanley June 21.

Obama is repeating many of the mistakes that led to Nixon's resignation in 1974

Fast and furious hasn’t been discussed a lot in the mainstream media, which is why the facts can seem so preposterous when you read them for the first time. But the story is slowly unraveling and the public is catching up with the madness. On Wednesday, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over his decision to withhold documents related to the “gun walking” operation – documents that President Obama tried to keep secret by invoking executive privilege.

The question of why the Prez intervened in this way will surely hang over the investigation and the White House for many months to come. Be patient, conservatives. It took nearly eight months for the Watergate break in to become a national news story. But when it finally did, it toppled a President.

Here’s what Fast and Furious is all about – and for the uninitiated, be prepared for a shock. In 2009, the US government instructed Arizona gun sellers illegally to sell arms to suspected criminals. Agents working for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) were then ordered not to stop the sales but to allow the arms to “walk” across the border into the arms of Mexican drug-traffickers. According to the Oversight Committee’s report, “The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. [The ATF] initially began using the new gun-walking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department’s strategy. The case was soon renamed ‘Operation Fast and Furious.”

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; murder; murdergate; obama; perjury; terry; zapata
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To: no-to-illegals; vette6387
So, if they can drag this out until the new Congress it's over. Well, it appears that justice will not be served for the deaths of our two border agents and the hundreds of Mexicans that have died as a result of Eric Holder's Fast And Furious.

I know somebody else mentioned a few names including Oliver North but (and correct me if I'm wrong) but how many deaths in the United States occurred because of Oliver North?

61 posted on 06/21/2012 7:54:53 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: ex91B10
I'd GLADLY take Bill & Hill over the Kenyan

Amen to that! I'll take either of the Clinton's over Obama but would take Romney over them even though Romney was and still is my next to last choice just above Ron Paul.

Too bad it was not Newt or Allen West or Sara Palin, Herman Cain or someone like that.

62 posted on 06/21/2012 7:59:10 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: sam_paine; SJackson; null and void; Liz; neverdem; TheOldLady; sickoflibs; SandRat; LucyT; ...

Thanks sam - I’ll pass it on...

One of the best smackdowns to a liberal I’ve seen in the comments sections ever!

SharingNews

Today 01:02 AM

You mean selling guns illegally isn’t a crime? Getting a border agent murdered then covering up the details isn’t a crime? Lying to Congress isn’t a crime?

If it wasn’t a crime, why were there whistleblowers? If no crime was committed, why were people questioning the illegal sales and illegal distribution. If it wasn’t illegal, how were all those people killed? If it wasn’t illegal, how was Brian Terry murdered?

So, all of this obfuscation because you are concerned about a comparison that doesn’t exactly meet your requirements seems more like a distraction than an actual argument.

What you are saying is that you’d LIKE to think nothing illegal happened here, but nobody knows and we want to find out. This exact moment happened during Watergate. The only reason it is different to you is because 1.) nobody knows the future or what will come to light in this story so 2.) hindsight is 20/20 when you know all the information about the situation after it comes to light.

So, sorry it doesn’t fit the exact issue of wiretapping, than covering it up, than trying to get investigations to cease, but it does seem to fit the issue of illegal gun trafficking that led to murders that led to coverups that led to asking a body of government to cease an investigation in exchange for information (coverip/blackmail/immunity bargain, call it what you will), and Obama has inserted himself by claiming EP, the exact thing Nixon did when his coverups started to fail. Do you need wiretapping in the situation for the comparison to work?

There is more to this, so compare it to whatever you want, but it stinks and even you know it.


63 posted on 06/21/2012 8:08:56 PM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: arthurus

This sounds very Nixonesque! Where are the 17 minutes of erased WH recordings?

Is there a connection with Dictator Obama’s Mexican Children’s Amnesty Dictate of last week and the Obama Dictate of the Fast and Furious arming of the Mexican Mafia?

Was the ‘Fast’ code for the DOJ, and the ‘Furious’ code for the Mexican Mafia?

Will Obama be more “flexible” now with the Mexican Mafia?

Was Obama planning to sell all of the guns confiscated after his 2013 Gun Control Dictate is enforced, and sell them to the Mexican Mafia in return for votes from the fast and furious flood of Mexican illegal aliens?

Maybe Obama will issue an Executive Order ceding back to Mexico all of the territory taken by the US in the US-Mexican War?

Who in the Mexican Mafia has made large “political” donations to Dictator “You Lie” Obama?

How many of Obama’s 100 rounds of Golf were actually meetings with Mexican Mafia Leaders? After all, Obama never played golf before McCain gave him the victory in 2008.

Will AG Eric With-Holder now set the example for selective obedience to US Law for all 50 of our State Attorney Generals?

Will more of the OWS “Hope and Change” of the future be encouraged to become government lawyers?

Will it be said in the near future that America is no longer a Nation of Laws, but a Nation of Lawyers?

BTW, why did it take Rep. Issa 18 MONTHS to attempt a Constitutional Congressional Check-and-Balance on a rogue Attorney General?

Will the Sobber-of-the-House Boehner proudly announce another ‘Bipartisan Appeasement’ so that there will ‘be peace in our time?’


64 posted on 06/21/2012 8:11:01 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: tsowellfan
A liberal caller, yesterday, on a talk show was talking about iran/contra and venting their rage against Former President Reagan. Did not hear Mr. North's name mentioned yesterday. The liberals were probably afraid of disturbing the Hornet's Nest. To answer your question ... from here I know of none. What is perhaps (am typing perhaps because do not know) disturbing liberals is the fact people have died including two known U.S. Citizens and probably several others (untold) due to the policy of the current White House and Department of Justice policies. hillary is up to her neck in this. Honduras received weapons and hillary was the front for that movement. The liberals were not paying attention or did not care. I vote for did not care, for their talking points came out quickly. The liberals problem (imho) is the EP by zer0. The EP says there is something to hide (aka Nixon). The cry from the liberals (back then) was release the tapes and documents so the truth can be known. This is what is being asked for by the Issa Committee, release the documents and emails so the truth can be known. The liberals know or were taught to think (during Watergate) if EP is declared by a president ... there is something to hide. Shoe meet other foot.

Know you knew all which was typed ... long story short and straight to your question concerning Mr. North ... No, no deaths known by me to which Mr. North may be blamed. Not so for obama, holder, and hillary.

65 posted on 06/21/2012 8:13:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Some here say it's over when this Congress ends and the new one comes in.

I didn't like hearing that.

66 posted on 06/21/2012 8:22:51 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan
Amen to that! I'll take either of the Clinton's over Obama

You sure got a short memory like too many here

No difference between them
67 posted on 06/21/2012 8:23:38 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
No difference between them

Nothing Newt could not have handled and his history proved it. A shame we got stuck with Romney when we had so many other better candidates. If only Santorum had dropped out sooner instead of splitting the conservative vote - but then again, that was probably his job to do just that. His man, Mitt "the real conservative" Romney is our nominee now.

68 posted on 06/21/2012 8:29:43 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan

It could turn out that way ... over when this Congress ends. Means one thing ... victory or defeat will take place at the ballot box. After the victory or defeat at the ballot box, if an election takes place, then one can only guess what the future will hold. Vicious cycle every two years. Then a year where not much is told to the people, then the vicious cycle begins again. Takes some getting used to. Works only when enough people vote where the cheaters cannot cheat.


69 posted on 06/21/2012 8:32:17 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: opentalk

Good hunting..!

And HERE, too, oh wow..! Here are his actual court pleadings:

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/userfiles/70/Pleadings.Sinaloa.Zambada.pdf

Page 3, paragraph 2, towards the bottom of that page. The DEA would TELL the Sinaloa when they were around, to permit them to take COUNTER-MEASURES.

Nice, huh?

The Sinaloa Cartel is our PARTNER —we don’t bust them, just the OTHERS.

Obama’s l’il arragement. Let’s see them report THAT..! Ha..!


70 posted on 06/21/2012 9:12:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Scotswife

attn: post immediately above this one


71 posted on 06/21/2012 9:14:52 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Steelfish
No mention here of why Obama's administration did Fast & Furious...which was to implicate gun owners in the States.

Nonetheless...a fairly comprehensive article.

72 posted on 06/21/2012 9:54:00 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Harold Shea

“It will be stonewalled till after the election”

That’s a given, but justice and truth will prevail.... It may be a cold case by then, but the truth will be known eventually.


73 posted on 06/21/2012 10:02:51 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Steelfish

If Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are so smart you would think they would have learned from Nixon:

It’s not the original act that gets you - it’s the cover-up that follows.

Obama is so arrogant he doesn’t think the laws of man or nature apply to him.
But he is about to come face to face with another one of his beloved “Teachable Moments”.
This time he will be on the receiving end.


74 posted on 06/22/2012 12:24:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: HerrBlucher

No, it is B & E vs encouraging and allowing illegal sales of firearms.

ATF did not commit murder - neither did the administration (at least, not in this case, as far as we know)

Much as I’d like to hang murder on Holder, he didn’t murder those agents, nor did ATF - the drug thugs did.


75 posted on 06/22/2012 12:33:44 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: sam_paine
Today 01:02 AM

What is the provenance of the piece? Who said it to who? Issa to Holder seems likely. In Congress?

76 posted on 06/22/2012 2:51:45 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Too bad this will go nowhere.
If Obama is re-elected it will be covered up, with the help of the media, and suppressed.

If Romney is elected, Obama will pardon Holder and others. Can he pardon himself? Anyway, Romney will drop the whole thing in a spirit of bipartisan cooperation.

77 posted on 06/22/2012 3:09:24 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: arthurus

It was just an anonymous post in the comments section of the Telegraph article from “SharingNews.”

Sometimes a kernel like that restores my hope for the general awareness of people outside the “FR Bubble.”


78 posted on 06/22/2012 4:29:21 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: GilesB; HerrBlucher
ATF did not commit murder - neither did the administration (at least, not in this case, as far as we know) Much as I’d like to hang murder on Holder, he didn’t murder those agents, nor did ATF - the drug thugs did.

Thankfully, the law is not that simple.

"The Principle of Principals"

principal n. 1) main person in a business. 2) employer, the person hiring and directing employees (agents) to perform his/her/its business. It is particularly important to determine who is the principal since he/she/it is responsible for the acts of agents in the "scope of employment" under the doctrine of respondeat superior. 3) in criminal law, the main perpetrator (organizer and active committer) of a crime, as distinguished from an "accessory" who helps the principal in some fashion. The criminal principal is usually the person who originated the idea of committing the crime and/or directly carries it out, and is more likely to be charged with a higher degree of the crime, and receive a stiffer prison sentence. 4) adj. chief, leading, highest. (See: agency, agent, accessory, respondeat superior)

79 posted on 06/22/2012 4:36:46 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Oh, well. Thanks.


80 posted on 06/22/2012 5:15:46 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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