Posted on 06/23/2012 2:27:47 PM PDT by blam
Chinese Economic Data Is Looking Horrible, And The Government Is Lying About It
Joe Weisenthal
Jun. 23, 2012, 12:10 PM
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It's long been believed that China's economic data is untrustworthy, but now that the Chinese economy is clearly cooling down, that theory is being put to the test, and it seems to be confirmed that the government isn't always forthright about the numbers.
Keith Bradsher at the New York Times has a good overview of the situation.
He notes that in addition to there being an economic slowdown, this is a year of political transition, which further creates pressure on folks at all levels of government and in state-owned-enterprises to juice up the data.
“The government officials don’t want to see the negative,” so they tell power managers to report usage declines as zero change, said a chief executive in the power sector.
Another top corporate executive in China with access to electricity grid data from two provinces in east-central China that are centers of heavy industry, Shandong and Jiangsu, said that electricity consumption in both provinces had dropped more than 10 percent in May from a year earlier. Electricity consumption has also fallen in parts of western China. Yet, the economist with ties to the statistical agency said that cities and provinces across the country had reported flat or only slightly rising electricity consumption.
Meanwhile, for some ugly numbers that are coming from official sources, check out these reports from Xinhua.
Chinese cement output is up just 5% this year compared to growth of 14.3% for the same period last year. In May, flat glass output fell 10.2% (!) vs. growth over over 20% in the same period last year. The building material sector has seen a 7% profit drop.
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Chicoms lying about anything....everything....who knew?
Sounds familiar.
” Chinese Economic Data Is Looking Horrible, And The Government Is Lying About It “
And we expected them to be somehow more ‘pure’ than any other Gummint??
(Seen a US employment report lately??)
Shouldn’t we be looking into our own economic lies first?
China has a serious debt problem.
Government debt is 89% of GDP.
Saturday, June 23, 2012
Even NyTi is starting to get it:
As the Chinese economy continues to sputter, prominent corporate executives in China and Western economists say there is evidence that local and provincial officials are falsifying economic statistics to disguise the true depth of the troubles.
Record-setting mountains of excess coal have accumulated at the country’s biggest storage areas because power plants are burning less coal in the face of tumbling electricity demand. But local and provincial government officials have forced plant managers not to report to Beijing the full extent of the slowdown, power sector executives said.
Electricity production and consumption have been considered a telltale sign of a wide variety of economic activity. They are widely viewed by foreign investors and even some Chinese officials as the gold standard for measuring what is really happening in the country’s economy, because the gathering and reporting of data in China is not considered as reliable as it is in many countries.
Indeed, officials in some cities and provinces are also overstating economic output, corporate revenue, corporate profits and tax receipts, the corporate executives and economists said. The officials do so by urging businesses to keep separate sets of books, showing improving business results and tax payments that do not exist...
“The government officials don’t want to see the negative,” so they tell power managers to report usage declines as zero change, said a chief executive in the power sector.
Another top corporate executive in China with access to electricity grid data from two provinces in east-central China that are centers of heavy industry, Shandong and Jiangsu, said that electricity consumption in both provinces had dropped more than 10 percent in May from a year earlier. Electricity consumption has also fallen in parts of western China. Yet, the economist with ties to the statistical agency said that cities and provinces across the country had reported flat or only slightly rising electricity consumption.
The past money printing which distorted investments in the country, plus the heavy central planning that still exists in sectors of the economy, will result in one of the greatest economic crashes in history.
It will be blamed on China's move toward capitalism, but it is the government interference in the market economy via central banking and government directed activity that has set up the phony boom and developing crash.
If this keeps up, it’ll take the Chinese three years longer to zoom by us on GNP.
China’s GDP(PPP) per capita is $8,382 in 2011.
The United States GDP(PPP) per capita is $48,387 in 2011.
The average Chinese is very poor compared to the USA.
“China’s lying!” Don’t look at the world’s factories in Asia! Look at Iberian Europe! Oh, no! Our wonderful brothels in southern Europe! “Look at Europe!”
But don’t look at the debt regime in our USA, folks, whatever you do.
[It’s hard to stop looking at the debt regime built by our political regulators—not to mention their current officious robberies and other crime sprees. They’re really noisy and stupid.]
And see the Chinese sovereign wealth fund along with trillions in bond investments around the globe.
The propaganda that we’re seeing is part of attempt to fool us and finish us off in the USA. There’s no way that Americans will be deluded as to who in our midst is waging an economic war against our nation and war against families while setting us up for national weakness before a world war.
We won’t be fooled, and we won’t forget.
“Problems with that analysis are the exchange rate”
I know, which is why the figures are adjusted to the Purchasing Power Parity(PPP) in Geary–Khamis dollars(international dollars).
“one production of useful things, the other debt and spending by our American political/regulator class”
What useful things does China produce?
“China’s GDP(PPP) per capita is $8,382 in 2011.
The United States GDP(PPP) per capita is $48,387 in 2011.
The average Chinese is very poor compared to the USA.”
Wow, I didn’t realize they were even that close to catching us. Considering that their population is 4 times ours, their GDP is now very close to ours.
I guess they’ll overtake us even sooner than I thought.
“And we know that anti-American, commie-conspiring globalists cow tow to their fantasies while in China.”
Wow, that’s a cheap shot at you. I wouldn’t take it.
Poisoned toys, poisoned dog food, poisoned toothpaste, crap furniture, etc...
kow towing 
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