Posted on 06/28/2012 10:07:31 AM PDT by pinochet
The late conservative sociologist and evangelical Christian, James Q. Wilson, made an interesting observation on the manner in which Blacks, Jews, and Evangelicals relate to one another. Here is his fascinating 2008 article: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_evangelicals.html
Here is a summary of his article. White Evangelical Christians are the strongest supporters of Israel in America, and their support for Israel comes from their religious beliefs that Israel is a fulfillment of scripture. But most American Jews have never been great fans of evangelicals, despite great efforts on the part of evangelicals to reach out to Jews.
Jews are the one white ethnic group, that has the strongest record of supporting civil rights for blacks. Jews have a strong record of supporting affirmative action for blacks, despite the fact that affirmative action harms Jews. Despite this, ADL studies have shown that blacks have the highest levels of anti-semitism of any group, with the exception of Muslims. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made anti-semitic remarks, but this has not harmed their careers. In fact, the anti-semitism of Sharpton and Jackson has made them national celebrities, and has led to them being celebrated as national figures.
Compare the treatment that Al Sharpton gets, hosting his own show on MSNBC, with the treatment that Pat Buchanan has received. Sharpton is much worse than Buchanan, with regard to anti-semitism. Sharpton helped incite the Crown Heights riots in 1991, which killed a Jewish Student called Yankel Rosenbaum. Then there is a long list of black anti-semites who are loved by blacks, such as Louis Farrakhan, Leonard Jeffries, Amiri Baraka, Andrew Young, Khalid Muhammad, Steve Cokely, Tony Martin, David Dinkins, Malcolm X, Cynthia McKinney, Alton Maddox, etc.
Speaking as an Israel-supporting right-wing Catholic, I take issue with that blanket statement.
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Thanks for reminding everyone of that, Luther's early history with Jews is usually ignored. It's a factor in Jewish concern (I don't contend most know Luther's history either) about "outreach", "outreach" generally not being about support for Israel, which is heartfelt amongst most Evangelicans, but which relates to evangelization.
PETA says that about killing chickens. He should spend his time on his Congregations educational programs. In this nation conversion is a matter of individual choice.
A general statement was all that the post called for to clear up the mistake about the ultra conservative, American Evangelicals, it wasn’t meant to be a thorough statement of anything.
Wow Jewbacca....Christians just seem to ooze out of the cracks everywhere just to introduce little ol’ you to Jesus...you must quite important to have Evangelicals INC. monitoring you on their radar machine...hunh? :}
That’s not what I said at all.
But you do seem a fairly typical example of the pushy Christian who gets offended when Jews don’t swallow their (in Jews’ opinion and belief) heresy.
Am I mistaken, or are Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson Christians? Not ordained, but accepted as ministers. Now I have to look for their denomination. Won't look for Jews for Jesus' denomination, might just be Evangelical. Much too confusing. I'll stick with the Christians who support Israel because of their sense of right and wrong and skip the outreach.
I was teasing...hence the emoticon at the end of my posting.{I was smiling when I said what I said} I meant you no harm. Besides, and I do mean this one seriously, one learns never to be too “pushy” with a prickly cactus!
You brought the matter up.
Their sense of right and wrong is founded on their theology,like Lord Shaftesbury’s zionism.
Christianity was made for the Jews first and then the Gentiles. And the Jews, at that time, did ask for Barabas to be released and Christ be killed. It was a fulfillment of prophecy and not anything that any modern Christian would hold against Jewish people.
I encourage Jews to read the old writings for themselves, without prejudice. They will find surprising things in them.
Absolute nonsense! There are plenty of Jews in America who are conservative politically and staunchly oppose the racist, anti-American, anti-Western civilization and antisemitic agenda promoted by the Sharptons, Jacksons, and Jeremiah Wrights and their pals in the black community.
Plus, contrary to your stereotype image, the large majority of American Jews are not "great in power and influence."
You paint with much too broad of a brush!!!
It's because many Jews are anti-White European, and feel safer in a Balkanized society. They are doing the same thing now with groups like La Raza. Unfortunately, they are finding that Blacks make poor Shabbos Goys.
Hello? Long-time, right-wing FReeper here!
I was answering the question as to why Jews have a hard time with Evangelicals. I don’t hold anyone guilty of the crimes of their people. I don’t judge the individual as a group. I do have a problem with the relentless attempts to convert Jews by the evangelicals, but we deal with it as politely as possible. (Conversion is offensive to us... period.)
I’ve never voted for a “D” in my life and never will.
I’d sooner vote for Ron Paul.
But part of my insight came from my own attempts to understand why Jewish people insist on slitting their own throats. *I* didn’t get it. So I started paying more attention and asking questions at my shul. I looked up the opposition’s arguments online. It’s frustrating how many tow the party line. How many refuse to see that they’re looking at this the wrong way.
For a time, I was a Jewish member of a Baptist church. How did that work? They felt that I was exactly where I was supposed to be (according to their interpretation of scripture) and I was treated very well. They were just a lovely, wonderful group of people who respected me and my beliefs. We focused on the areas where we agreed and had respectful discussions (with the intent to truly understand the other party) about the areas where we diverged.
So please don’t think that what I wrote was a reflection of my own beliefs. I was trying to shed light on the mind of the liberal Jew.
Cute but silly, there are very few conservative Jews, only about 20% of them even vote republican, and far fewer are conservatives, I shouldn’t have to be explaining that to a freerepublic conservative.
The cutest of all was to pretend that I said that “the large majority of American Jews” as individuals were great in power and influence, I didn’t, but Jews as a whole in America are.
Sounds like an overly broad statement. I'm sure that though some of that exists, reasonable Jews, such as those of us here on FR, have nothing against evangelicals in general. We respect all other faith traditions and individuals of all faiths, except those who expressly seek to harm us and our tradition (e.g., Islamists).
Scopes never got the windfall he expected and felt he had been double crossed. Ended up working in the oil field. He had expected to become a national celebrity.
He did in fact become a national celebrity. There haven't been too many folks whose name appears in just about every American history textbook, and Scopes is in just about all of them, at least he used to be.
Jews are urban folks and when they end up in “outback”places like Mississippi, they are outsiders, as much as any Jewish peddler in old Poland.
Again, you make too broad of a statement, one not all that historically accurate. Some Jews came from Europe to settle in "outback" rural and small town areas in the US and assimilated and prospered, which had to require some understanding and interaction with the predominant Christian population. (I don't know how numerous evangelical Christians would have been in these areas, though.) Today, there are 100+ villages, towns, and small cities in the US named for prominent Jewish settlers, although most of these have no current Jewish inhabitants.
Liberal American Jews despise Evangelicals for the same reason that all of the left, and all of the forces who oppose God and conservatism do.
Evangelicals are truly conservative, and pro-God, and they mean it.
Even the Dali Lama does not have a his usual ‘unity of all religions’ tolerance for Evangelicals.
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