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Iím Not Down on John Roberts
Redstate ^ | June 28, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 06/28/2012 10:09:41 AM PDT by Jedidah

. . . I get the strong sense from a few anecdotal stories about Roberts over the past few months and the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. . . .

Second, in writing his case, Roberts forces everyone to deal with the issue as a political, not a legal issue. . . Third, while Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I don’t really think is a massive expansion from what it was, Roberts has curtailed the commerce clause as an avenue for Congressional overreach.

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A voice of reason.
1 posted on 06/28/2012 10:09:45 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Robert’s an idiot. He says Congress can tax nothing.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 10:11:12 AM PDT by tobyhill (Conservatives are proud of themselves, Liberals lie about themselves)
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To: Jedidah

The new tax will now be known as the “Roberts Tax.”


3 posted on 06/28/2012 10:13:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jedidah

In my opinion, this paves the way and lays the ground work that will allow the government to mandate that every citizen must possess on their person - at all times - an identification, such as a mark, in order to conduct any type of transaction, health care, economic, or otherwise.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 10:16:03 AM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Destruction)
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To: Jedidah
. . . I get the strong sense from a few anecdotal stories about Roberts over the past few months and the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. . . .

Not his job. He's not a schoolyard monitor. If his conscience can allow him to sleep at night without chemical aids, he's a psychopath.

5 posted on 06/28/2012 10:16:40 AM PDT by Stentor (Former free citizen of the US. Currently subject of the same.)
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To: Jedidah
The John Roberts' court just ended Freedom and Liberty.

We will be Nazi Germany in six months !


6 posted on 06/28/2012 10:18:53 AM PDT by Uriíel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Jedidah
way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term

Screw reputation, what about looking at the Constitution and looking out for the People's rights?

7 posted on 06/28/2012 10:19:08 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Jedidah

I don’t think one guy’s opinion of Roberts is breaking news.


8 posted on 06/28/2012 10:19:18 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Jedidah

Can the G. make me buy stuff?

Clearly the “voice of reason” thinks they can. He is sub-human filth.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 10:19:52 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Jedidah

While Roberts is right, he DID decide on government tyranny which is AGAINST the Constitution.

Dread Pirate Roberts.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/imf-to-discuss-greece-re-negotiating-debt-france-and-us-should-pay-close-attention-particularly-after-supreme-court-upholds-obamacare/


10 posted on 06/28/2012 10:19:52 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: Jedidah

roberts is simply this century’s Roger B. Taney, offering the most idiotic of notions folded into carefully crafted rhetoric.

What comes next is on his shoulders.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 10:20:28 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Jedidah

I’m not down on him either. He has vindicated Joe Wilson and publicly called Bambi a liar - as has the liberals on the court.

Remember - all along Bambi proclaimed this was not a tax, even while his administration told the court it was a tax - the court ruled it is a tax - ergo, Bambi is a liar.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 10:20:51 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Jedidah

How does this keep it above the partisan fray, when the majority of the people hate it?


13 posted on 06/28/2012 10:21:03 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I eagerly await the next news about the struggles of Elizabeth Sacheen Littlefeather Warren.)
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To: Jedidah

Based on his past 2 descisions, Roberts is a liberal. Wouldn’t be surprised if he constantly voted with the other libs from now on. Thanks W. Greet job in vetting this clown.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 10:21:29 AM PDT by stratboy
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To: Jedidah

One good thing in this is that Americans won’t be feeling sorry for Obama in November.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:13 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Jedidah

You’re wrong. It is a massive expansion of government power. Regardless of whether Obamacare is repealed this is judicial precedent giving the feds the power to mandate anything they want. Roberts is a tool.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:13 AM PDT by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: Jedidah
Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I don’t really think is a massive expansion from what it was,

Ignorant statement. What kind of tax is it? You're being taxed for not buying something, so it can't be a sales tax. It is independent of income, so it is not an income tax. It is not levied on a commodity being purchased, so it is not an excise tax. You can avoid it by buying an insurance policy, so it is not a head tax.

What kind of "tax" is this? A previously unknown form? The answer of course is that it is not a tax at all. It is a financial penalty for unapproved but legal behavior. Calling it a tax does not make it one. Roberts has sold out, for what mess of pottage god only knows

17 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:26 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Jedidah

The ruling says it is not his job to decide whether the laws we pass are good for us or not.

In other words, if this law is good or bad is not up to him- he just decides if it was constitutionally passed or not

So...

We the people get whatever we vote for- in this case they crammed it down our throats, but we voted these turds into office

Now we have to vote others in who will repeal this.

Being a “glass is half full” kinda guy, I am going to say THIS GIVES US OUR MAIN ISSUE for 2012

No GOP has to spend money on anything else other than to say YES I will repeal it

We could win in a landslide because of this.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Jedidah

Obamacare should be a political decision, not legal. Therefore I concur with CJ Roberts on this. Congress has the power to tax anything and everything in any amount they can get passed.

This should energize Tea-Party voters and therefore is a net plus for November 2012 elections.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut from the inside.)
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To: Jedidah
He could have done even better by joining Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy in striking the abomination down altogether.

But he didn't. Instead, he chose to throw his lot in with the Court's liberal hacks.

He chose poorly.

20 posted on 06/28/2012 10:23:11 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Jedidah

A voice of reason”

Well, not really. The idea of “on to Congressional repeal!” would be fine, except that we now live in the era of everything-must-pass-the-Senate-with-60-votes.

And the GOP isn’t going to get 60 votes in 2012.

Even if they get it in 2014, that will be too late.

Yes, Roberts saved his reputation among his law school faculty buddies. They will sing his praises for his “courage”

But the country has been altered, again, and most likely there is no going back.

Dammit. I feel sick to my stomach today.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 10:23:47 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Jedidah

You’re right, Jedidah. Erickson’s piece IS a voice of reason today. BTW, he apparently actually took time to READ the opinion, unlike most of the kneejerk flamers.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 10:24:08 AM PDT by Walrus (ICH BIN EIN ARIZONAN!)
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To: Jedidah
This is an interesting article, but I think his point here...:

Third, while Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I don’t really think is a massive expansion from what it was, Roberts has curtailed the commerce clause as an avenue for Congressional overreach.

...is wrong. It's a pretty massive expansion.

23 posted on 06/28/2012 10:24:30 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Jedidah
Obamacare
BROUGHT TO YOU BY CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS

AND THE COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT THE
"INDIVIDUAL MANDATE THAT ISN'T AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"
PLUS: THE EXECUTIVE, THE LEGISLATIVE, AND THE JUDICIAL BRANCHES
OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES

Hear this citizens

Be ye still knaves, know your place, or else!


CREDIT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY/MARXISTS UNITED AND
THE COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT THE PRESIDENT


24 posted on 06/28/2012 10:24:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Jedidah; All
From Roberts opinion:

“Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Time to get out from behind the computers and get to work...Just like our forefathers we throw the government out. In our case it's through election and not with guns. Donate, register neighbors, pass out fliers, get involved. We need sixty senators, a Real leader as President and the House.

25 posted on 06/28/2012 10:24:43 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: Jedidah

A voice of *irrational* reason. A traitor of the highest order. HE had the power to stop this usurpation of rights, and YOU are sanguine about some fool trying to give him cover. Bob


26 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:07 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("Bedroom eyes and boardroom faces---Oh where will it lead?" from Red Toupee by Al Stewart)
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To: Jedidah

Violating the Constitution because of political fears is not a reasonable response.

Does anyone think that Obama won’t appoint an even worse Communist to the court next chance he gets?

Or that Bishop Romney won’t also appoint another extreme leftist to the court, as he did while governor of Massachusetts?

Not fighting back only encourages these traitors.


27 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:26 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jedidah

“....the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. . .”

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Well, for those that think in real world, functional terms he has done EXACTLY that-damaged the reputation of the Supreme Court.

But I guess he is only concerned about the opinion of useless academics, and legal historians...


28 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:36 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: Jedidah

Obama predicted this correctly.. The SCOTUS did go ‘activist’ on this decision.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:58 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GSWarrior

30 posted on 06/28/2012 10:26:36 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: PghBaldy

How does this keep it above the partisan fray, when the majority of the people hate it?”

Right.

And Roberts was supposed to be avoiding the dreaded 5-4 decisions because they are so divisive.

So he comes down with the lesbians and the liberals for a 5-4.

John “Souter” Roberts.

It’s a disgrace.

(And, incidentally, the hand of the Bushes hurts us yet again....)


31 posted on 06/28/2012 10:26:43 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: dfwgator

No, it’s the new 0bama tax. Republicans would do well to advertise it liberally.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 10:26:57 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Mr. K

If Mr Romney wins in November I would be pleased to see him repeal this bill, and then require every household to purchase firearms. Those that do not comply will be hit with a tax (not a mandate)for non compliance.

A Pox on Roberts.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 10:27:30 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: Mr. K
In other words, if this law is good or bad is not up to him- he just decides if it was constitutionally passed or not

No, the role of the Supreme Court is to be a check on Congress. Just because Congress passes a law doesn't make it constitutional. The Supreme Court has overturned congressional acts many times.

34 posted on 06/28/2012 10:27:42 AM PDT by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: soycd

We’ll compromise and call it the Obama-Roberts Tax.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 10:28:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: OldNavyVet

“One good thing in this is that Americans won’t be feeling sorry for Obama in November.”

And the money will be rolling in to the Republicans in donations large and small. The only question is, to the Republicans have the balls to man up and lead, because they have a poor record in recent years.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 10:28:25 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Jedidah
that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. . . .

Too late

37 posted on 06/28/2012 10:28:35 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Jedidah

You and Roberts and stoopid Erioc are full of BS


38 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:19 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: vette6387
The only question is, to the Republicans have the balls to man up and lead

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's a good one.

39 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jedidah
"A voice of reason."

A voice of ignorance. Roberts in his finding has with the other justices on the left has, in a single decision, permanently damaged the personal liberties and freedoms our Constitution was set up to protect.

No matter what happens with legislative reversal, the precedent has been set in law--the federal government now has the right--under the Constitution (according to these evil, evil, freedom-hating "justices") to require compliance on virtually any issue by instituting taxes to force said compliance.

Redstate is wearing rose-colored glasses and excusing the inexcusable.

The America that our Founding Fathers left us is now officially DEAD.
40 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:30 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: hinckley buzzard
What kind of tax is it?

I was thinking about this very thing. To me, it most resembles a civil fine.

41 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:19 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: tobyhill

Erik Erickson is an idiot, too. If he doesn’t think Roberts is a traitor to freedom, then he’s a complete effing idiot.


42 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Walrus

I read the the opinion. Its a disaster. “First, and most importantly, it is abundantly clear the Constitution does not guarantee that individuals may avoid taxation through inactivity” (Page 41) “The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance.” (Page 44)


43 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:56 AM PDT by xeno
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To: Jedidah

Roberts is just part of the machine that was built to destroy this country. He has fully revealed himself this week.

The precedent has been set. The United States is gone.


44 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:11 AM PDT by Third Person ( Actions reflect priorities.)
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To: Mr. K
THIS GIVES US OUR MAIN ISSUE for 2012

And, now we have to rely on Mitt Romney, who gave Obama the blueprint for Obamacare, to overturn it.

45 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:19 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Gabz

and obamacare still stands and we are still screwed. this expanded governments power as did the ruling on the arizona law. Get real...wake up and smell the tyranny


46 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:33 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: ConservativeDude

Oh the irony of Robert’s claiming Congress is the body that is charged with passing unconstitutional legislation.

I’d sure love to see his copy of the document.


47 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: tobyhill

You’re the idiot. Where did he say Congress can tax nothing? He said that Obama care IS A TAX, a fact that Obama and his minions expressly denied, saying it was passed under the commerce clause. If I understand this correctly the ball is back in Congress’ court, they can hold it there until next January.


48 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:41 AM PDT by madison10
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To: ConservativeDude

except that we now live in the era of everything-must-pass-the-Senate-with-60-votes.”

I just got an email from Sen Cornyn and the NRSC. It talks about getting a majority and repealing obamacare.

It doesn’t even mention the need to break the “filibuster”.

If I were cynical, I’d say that this is exactly what the “conservatives” in Congress want. They want the liberal agenda to advance slowly, so that they can rail against it and ensure their re-election...but not really do anything about it. Ineffectively railing against socialism but doing nothing is the right’s version of racism.

Does Cornyn reall want to repeal obamacare? Again, if I were a cynic, I’d say, “nah...what he wants to do is raise money by calling for repeal”.


49 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:54 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Jedidah

Yes, of desperate, convoluted reason. Roberts has sanctioned the most despicable, behind-closed-doors, partisan Congressional bill in history, one that could not have passed but by bribery, kickbacks and betrayal of the so-called pro-life Democrats, one that is massively opposed by the majority of the public. It gives the Pompous One an advantage in November. The next election will indeed be about judges, as 3 of the current judges are nearing retirement. It is impossible to rationalize anything good about Robert’s own constitutional betrayal. Maybe he didn’t want Obama to criticize the court in his next State of the Nation speech. Anyway you look at it, today was a tragic day for our constitutional republic, and Roberts has sealed his reputation for all time.


50 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:59 AM PDT by NotTallTex
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