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White House, Congress should seek compromise (Milwaukee J-S barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 01 july 2012

Posted on 07/01/2012 5:20:38 AM PDT by rellimpank

According to the conventional wisdom, beginning in 2006, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms decided to allow guns to "walk" over the U.S. border with Mexico. Federal agents let suspected straw buyers for the Mexican drug cartels buy high-powered weapons from American dealers with the idea of tracing them into the inner recesses of the cartels.

Instead, the agents lost track of nearly all of the 2,000 guns in the scheme dubbed "Fast and Furious," and the American government became an unwitting accomplice in the inhuman violence south of the border. As a result, a U.S. Border Patrol agent is dead - Brian Terry was killed in an Arizona shootout, and two rifles traced to "Fast and Furious" were found at the scene - and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been called on the carpet by Congress.

Let's be clear: "Gun walking" was a lousy idea when the administration of President George W. Bush tried it - and it was still a bad idea when the administration of President Barack Obama resurrected it. But a Fortune investigation published last week says the conventional wisdom is wrong: ATF agents never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata
--as usual, many of the comments after this piece of garbage demolish it--
1 posted on 07/01/2012 5:20:56 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: afraidfortherepublic

—ping and hope your pinglist floods the J-S with refutation of this garbage-—


2 posted on 07/01/2012 5:23:05 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Conflates “Wide Receiver” wiht “Fast and Furious”.

Wide Receiver was stopped after promised cooperation from Mexican officials failed to materialize. If fact it was dead when Obama took office.

Too much documentation now mounting that F&F was intended to spur public revulsion at gun deaths. Can you imagine a deliberate policy of the U.S. Govt. that 300 people have to be killed to get gun control passed?

The glue is coming loose on the Administration’s claims.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 5:26:57 AM PDT by plangent
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To: rellimpank; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Wisconsin ping list: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel opines on Fast & Furious and gets it wrong. Flood them with letters.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


4 posted on 07/01/2012 5:37:42 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rellimpank

I just added my own to it.


5 posted on 07/01/2012 5:42:52 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: rellimpank; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

“Instead, the agents lost track of nearly all of the 2,000 guns in the scheme dubbed ‘Fast and Furious,’ and the American government became an unwitting accomplice in the inhuman violence south of the border.”

Unwitting? Are they nuts?


6 posted on 07/01/2012 5:42:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: rellimpank

There was no compromise over the healthcare monstrocity. It has been rammed down our throats by all three branches of govt.


7 posted on 07/01/2012 5:50:41 AM PDT by virgil
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To: plangent; All

The glue is coming loose on the Administration’s claims.
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But, will anything ever come of this? Prolly not. Eric Holder will sit in his big office, behind his big desk and laugh while John Boner sits in the Speaker’s Chair and cries. What can they do? They have the Constitutional right to arrest him, BUT THEY WON’T! This “Contempt” thing will end up being the biggest joke of the year in D.C. In a few months, Fast and Furious will be forgotten and the American people, once again, will suffer a great disservice at the hands of both political parties.

Shame on all their houses!!!


8 posted on 07/01/2012 5:52:52 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: rellimpank
Let's be clear: "Gun walking" was a lousy idea when the administration of President George W. Bush tried it - and it was still a bad idea when the administration of President Barack Obama resurrected it.

Let's be clear, it's like everything else that idiot of an American hating leader has accomplished since soiling the Oval Office........

"IT'S BUSHES FAULT"!!!

9 posted on 07/01/2012 5:54:25 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: virgil; All
...the healthcare monstrocity. It has been rammed down our throats by all three branches of govt. ______________________________________________________________

What do you think about this?

TEA PARTY 2012 BATTLE CRY:
“On June 28, 2012, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat.
On November 6, 2012, we’re going to shove it up their ass.”

10 posted on 07/01/2012 5:58:18 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: rellimpank

Compromise my butt.

God only knows how many have died and compromise ain’t justice.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 6:06:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MestaMachine
“Instead, the agents lost track of nearly all of the 2,000 guns in the scheme dubbed ‘Fast and Furious,’

How desperate does one need to be to try and pass that one off on the public.

It reminds me of someone asking the late Benny Parsons if Richard Petty was really that good in a race car. Benny thought about it for a minute and said "Nah, he just got lucky 200 times".
12 posted on 07/01/2012 6:17:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rellimpank

There’s that word “COMPROMISE” again.


13 posted on 07/01/2012 6:17:58 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: rellimpank

This is horse dung.

They are trying to place the blame on Bush with it and they are denying that Obama did this knowingly in order to work under the radar to get our 2nd. Amendment rights from us.

there was nothing unwitting about what Obama’s Justice amd ATF departments did. It was intentional.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 6:22:21 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: DH; All
--Clayton Cramer's blog puts the facts out about the Fortune article-

-Fortune has an article attempting to defend Fast and Furious, and it is amazing how much error it contains. Let's start with the second paragraph: Some call it the "parade of ants"; others the "river of iron." The Mexican government has estimated that 2,000 weapons are smuggled daily from the U.S. into Mexico. The ATF is hobbled in its effort to stop this flow. No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking, so agents must build cases using a patchwork of often toothless laws. Let's see, there's the official campaign of BATF to remind people that you can go to prison for strawman purchases: Buying a gun for someone who is prohibited by law from possessing one or for someone who does not want his or her name associated with the transaction is a "straw purchase." 1. An illegal firearm purchase (straw purchase) is a federal crime. 2. An illegal firearm purchase can bring a felony conviction sentence of ten years in jail and a fine of up to $250,000. 3. Buying a gun for someone who can't can cost you your good name and land you in big trouble. Here's the web page telling you that you need an export license to permanently export firearms out of the U.S. I'm sorry, but when someone has so much wrong by the second paragraph, and quotes Legal Community Against Violence as a credible source, why bother reading the rest.--

15 posted on 07/01/2012 6:22:45 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

What can they do? What they can do and must do and continue to do is ALL THEY CAN! Keep the issue alive and in front of the public as long as they can. Keep HAMMERING on the illegal and deceptive behavior of this crooked Administration and force the media to cover it as they were forced to cover it when the House brought contempt charges against Holder.

Using truth against this Administration is like pouring chlorine bleach on a stinking pile of puss. Their deception only works when practiced in the shady areas where half truths and lies live and will wither and die when the bright white light of truth is shined on them.


16 posted on 07/01/2012 6:25:29 AM PDT by scram2
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To: rellimpank

17 posted on 07/01/2012 6:26:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rellimpank
with the idea of tracing them into the inner recesses of the cartels.

I'm sure that the government has a complete org. chart of all the cartels. F&F's sole purpose was to destroy the 2nd Ammendment in the US.

18 posted on 07/01/2012 6:45:42 AM PDT by super7man
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To: MestaMachine

They mean witless...


19 posted on 07/01/2012 6:51:17 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: rellimpank

NO!...Congress should not compromise with a WHITE HOUSE chocked full of liars, Obama and white house staff...what is a “compromise” when dealing with liars? There has to be a better definition of this word “compromise”.


20 posted on 07/01/2012 7:43:08 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: rellimpank

Here’s a good compromise. A guilty plea from all concerned in exchange for reduced sentences.


21 posted on 07/01/2012 7:43:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rellimpank
Just forget about it?

Forget about BP Agent Brian Terry?

Forget about ICE Agent Jaime Zapata?

Forget about the murders of over 300 Mexican citizens, police and Mexican federal officers?

Forget that Holder lied under oath to the oversight committee at least twice?

Forget that the DoJ submitted a letter of explanation full of outright lies and let them stand for nine months?

Forget that Holder's in-house investigator has been investigating for 18 months and still hasn't come up with one name of who started and approved of this program and its policies?

Forget that 0bungles has used Executive Privilege to shield Holder in a completely frivolous and inappropriate use of that legal instrument?

Forget that the Dems, including Holder himself in the House, has used the Race Card to say that blacks don't have to abide by the rule of law?

Forget you!

22 posted on 07/01/2012 8:06:06 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: rellimpank; All
the American government became an unwitting accomplice

"Unwitting accomplice" doesn't mean what the writer thinks it means.

Oxford dictionary says, "(of a person) not aware of the full facts : an unwitting accomplice."

We know this to be FALSE. This was policy. They knew exactly what was happening. They are culpable.

Imagine a private sector parallel and actions taken against gun makers claiming they know cheap weapons will fall into the hands of criminals. Or if this case had happened during the Bush years.

If a wall of blind partisanship can allow the parties and participants of Fast-and-Furious to go untouched and blithely about their own lives and careers, we have no Justice. It can be argued we have no Law.

23 posted on 07/01/2012 8:31:25 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: rellimpank
"Gun walking" was a lousy idea when the administration of President George W. Bush tried it - and it was still a bad idea when the administration of President Barack Obama resurrected it.

From what I understand, the Bush program tried to track the firearms in question, and was successful until the traffickers changed their strategies to evade tracking. That traffickers would at eventually figure out how to evade tracking measures would probably have been pretty clear, but how long it would take was unknown and unknowable. The program balanced the risk that the traffickers might evade detection before the government was aware they could do so, with a desire not to shot down the program until the traffickers developed the skills to evade it. While the program might ideally have been shut down sooner, that may be apparent only in retrospect.

By contrast, I'm unaware that there was ever any official effort to "track" the F&F guns beyond "see if they ever show up again". Many leftists manage to regard "see if they ever show up again" as a reasonable crime-fighting technique (Liberal Mind Fog Disorder preventing them from realizing both that guns given to known criminals are more apt to be used in crimes than guns held by law-abiding citizens, and that the information gained if the guns do show up again isn't apt to tell the government anything it doesn't already know), but it's certainly very different from trying to follow firearms shipments equipped with radio tracking devices.

24 posted on 07/01/2012 9:40:35 AM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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