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Who Should Be a School Bus Monitor? [Re Klein video incident]
Woman Around Town ^ | June 25, 2012 | Charlene Giannetti

Posted on 07/01/2012 8:41:40 AM PDT by QT3.14

By now the whole world has seen the video of a group of middle school boys bullying Karen Klein, the school bus monitor in Greece, New York. The boys have been vilified, their families threatened, and the school board will decide whether the boys will be suspended for the entire 2012-2013 school year. An online site has collected more than $500,000 for Klein and she is being showered with gifts, including an expense-paid trip to Disney World by ABC, which owns the theme park.

An important issue, however, is not being addressed. What were Klein’s qualifications for being a school bus monitor and what training did she receive? If she couldn’t even protect herself from the bullying she endured, what were the chances that she would be able to protect a child put in a similar situation? Being a school bus monitor these days involves more than just making sure children don’t forget their lunches or their backpacks. The job requires protecting the safety and well-being of all the children who board.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: busmonitor; monitor; schoolbus; studentbehavior
In other words this:

Not this:


1 posted on 07/01/2012 8:41:53 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Dirty Harry?


2 posted on 07/01/2012 8:45:01 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: QT3.14

Nobody should be a school bus monitor. If riders cannot behave appropriately, then they should be prohibited from riding. If this means their parents have to make other transportation arrangements or other education arrangements, so be it.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 8:47:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The Lord will rescue me from every evil threat and bring me safe to His heavenly kingdom.")
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To: QT3.14

C’mon... “training”? to be a school bus monitor? Really? Gee, maybe we should set up a Federal program to handle this. Great idea!!!

And how exactly could she protect herself? She’s not allowed to touch the little angels. She has no authority. They know any threat is idle. This poor lady was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong kids, and I doubt there is anything she could have done to defuse it.


4 posted on 07/01/2012 8:47:41 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: QT3.14

I suspect that any effort to assert her “authority” over those hooligans would have landed Klein in hot water with school officials—if not in court facing a lawsuit from aggrieved parents. What the commentator does not get—though the 7th graders on her bus understood it perfectly—is that no one has “authority” in the public schools anymore: not principals, not teachers, and certainly not bus monitors. They are politically correct zoos run by the animals who prowl within them.


5 posted on 07/01/2012 8:51:48 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: QT3.14

The kids are being brainwashed in government schools to hate fat people.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 8:52:42 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: QT3.14
Who Should Be a School Bus Monitor?

Ex-Marines.

Almost a half century ago, our pastor took a call to another church & left. One of the congregation members took up teaching the Confirmation class and I was in that class. This guy (still alive) is the nicest, most decent human being in the world (think marshmallow in appearance, too), but he could not handle the class. The boys were awful - talking while he was teaching, being rude & disrespectful, etc. Then, we got an interim pastor ... a former Chaplain & I believe a Marine. He walked in with his 'buzz' haircut, military bearing, and ice-blue eyes that could stare a hole through a brick wall. He never had to say a word to those boys .... who were instantly the most respectful, attentive, quiet kids ever to warm a seat in Confirmation class.

7 posted on 07/01/2012 8:55:10 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Tax-chick
One way to get the troublemakers to school in monitor-free bus:


8 posted on 07/01/2012 8:56:24 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: bigdaddy45

Excellent point.

Imagine if she had physically touched or restrained any of the kids. In today’s politically correct world, she would be facing criminal charges of assuault or worse.

In today’s politically correct world, it would not matter what had been said or done by the kids to provoke her into some reaction. She would be facing criminal charges anyway.

What does a bus monitor do anyway? Just watch the kids and yell at them if somebody gets out of line? How much special “training” would be involved training for such a job? Sounds like a bureaucratic position for someone, to train the bus monitors of the nation in proper procedure.


9 posted on 07/01/2012 8:56:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Tax-chick

Don’t know your age, but, back in my day, there was no such job as a school bus monitor. But things were different back in the day, in lots of ways................


10 posted on 07/01/2012 8:57:30 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

In a less PC world, Alice “fist of death” from Dilbert would be a good role model for bus drivers and/or monitors. ;-)


11 posted on 07/01/2012 8:59:50 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: QT3.14

Qualifications? She’s a mother & a grandmother.


12 posted on 07/01/2012 9:02:41 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: bigdaddy45
I doubt there is anything she could have done to defuse it.
She's been harassed by these same kids before and wouldn't report them because ...
    1) the school district won't do a thing to the kids;
   2) she needed the job and didn't want to get fired.
She should have asked the driver to stop the bus and called the cops, especially after the one punk started talking about using his knife.
13 posted on 07/01/2012 9:04:59 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: QT3.14
the real question is why is it necessary to have school bus monitors? Why are the kids behaving as they do? What is the root problem??

there are two basic problems IMO:
1. parents who condone children out of control
2. schools which condone such behavior and encourage lack of respect for authority. That is a major reason they can not keep good teachers in urban schools - it all goes hand in hand!

to sum it up - liberalism is the problem!!!

14 posted on 07/01/2012 9:08:45 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: madprof98
They are politically correct zoos run by the animals who prowl within them.

Political Correctness is intellectual AIDS.
Everything it touches it sickens and eventually kills.

William S. Lind, Free Congress Foundation

15 posted on 07/01/2012 9:11:34 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: Dilbert San Diego
...there was no such job as a school bus monitor.

Exactly.

16 posted on 07/01/2012 9:15:42 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14
While we're at it, let's get down to something even more basic: How does compulsory public education have any place in a free nation?

The idea that a government is going to take kids and put them on a big yellow bus to transport them to a government-run "education facility" every day would have made this country's founding fathers vomit.

17 posted on 07/01/2012 9:16:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Don’t know your age, but, back in my day, there was no such job as a school bus monitor.
Back in the day there were parents - one man, one woman.
If the driver and/or school contacted said parents, the student wouldn't be able to sit on the bus because his butt would be sore for a week.

BTW, back in the day there was no security in schools (or the malls), no metal detectors, no video monitors.
We had dress codes, behavior rules & regs, detention for minor violations, and corporal punishment was permitted.
We also had high graduation rates. Liberalism has destroyed all of that.
18 posted on 07/01/2012 9:16:39 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Tax-chick

“Nobody should be a school bus monitor. If riders cannot behave appropriately, then they should be prohibited from riding. If this means their parents have to make other transportation arrangements or other education arrangements, so be it.”

100% Agreed!


19 posted on 07/01/2012 9:17:44 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: elpadre

It’s interesting to see reactions of liberals and conservatives to this incident.

Liberals are full of angst and hand wringing about how this sort of thing can happen. Liberals are full of the angst of why these kids seem undisciplined and out of control. Liberals do not know why this sort of thing can happen.

Conservatives know full well that the lack of discipline, “liberal” standards of recent years, are what has caused the environment in which this happens.

Actually liberals and conservatives talk past each other on this one. Conservatives know full well why this happened, and what the solution to this would be. Liberals have no clue how this happens, or how to deal with it.

Yet, liberals created this world in which there are no effective punishments for kids, a world in which it’s against the law for anyone in authority to physically touch or physicially restrain a kid for wrongdoing. And it’s a world in which the kids know full well that there are no consequences for things that they do. So the bar is lowered, and kids push the envelope more and more.


20 posted on 07/01/2012 9:18:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: QT3.14
We aren't allowed to have minimum standards for cops and firefighers because that would be racist/sexist/homopohobic, but we must have minimum standards for bus monitors because their job is so much more important?
21 posted on 07/01/2012 9:19:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: QT3.14

"Hi, y'all keeds. Mah name Bubba, an' Ah be yore bus monytore t'day. Siddown!"

22 posted on 07/01/2012 9:19:51 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: QT3.14
Return to neighborhood schools and do away with the school buses all together. Kids could WALK to school! And trust me, a little rain or snow or cold won't damage the poor pantywaists.
23 posted on 07/01/2012 9:22:30 AM PDT by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: QT3.14

“The Boys have been vilified,” it said.

Good.

Expulsion outright seems appropriate. These little predators deserve it. It will “calibrate” them for life, and might catch the smug attention of any of their like-minded buds.

The parents? Tough. They raised predators with no pity. Suffer the expense of private school or military academy.

Viscious little creeps.


24 posted on 07/01/2012 9:26:24 AM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: Tax-chick

When I was a kid, if you were misbehaving on the school bus you got dropped off right where you were. I lived in a rural area and for some of the kids it was a long walk home.

Oh, and when word got out that you were “kicked off the bus” there was usually a Dad that was ready to deal with it at home.

Didn’t happen to often, and never to me. ;o)

Today, the School District would get sued out of existance if the bus driver dumped a kid off. Times were different.


25 posted on 07/01/2012 9:27:39 AM PDT by super7man
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To: elpadre

I read one of the parents of the kids said they had been harrassed enough.

I don’t think so. You inflicted your demonic spawn on us and you will need to face that disgusting fact every day for the rest of your life. YOU are the problem- the fact that you, and others like you, have bred these monsters is what is sending this country to hell faster than a greased bobsled.


26 posted on 07/01/2012 9:29:36 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: bigdaddy45
Gee, maybe we should set up a Federal program to handle this.

I'd be willing to bet that our federal taxes are funding more than one such program already. But maybe we need a bipartisan study panel to evaluate their effectiveness and recommend additional funding.

27 posted on 07/01/2012 9:34:21 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: oh8eleven

Right on brother! I got an hour detention, for chewing gum—today the kids would just laugh at you for that!

I see the girls wearing shorts so short you can almost see their rear ends.

I used to pick up my granddaughter at school and the way some parents dress their kids is disgusting—off the shoulder tops—some even dressed as ballerina’s….and this is a middle high income area!!!


28 posted on 07/01/2012 9:37:16 AM PDT by notaliberal
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To: QT3.14

Can we just take a moment and acknowledge that the libby-lib author is BLAMING the VICTIM?

“If she couldn’t even protect herself...”

I see. So it’s HER fault.

That’s the headline here.


29 posted on 07/01/2012 9:37:30 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: QT3.14

The qualifications for being a school bus monitor are probably that you are willing to do that crappy job and aren’t a felon.


30 posted on 07/01/2012 9:39:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Turn thye bus monitoring over to the TSA.´Hey they cured me of flying.


31 posted on 07/01/2012 9:40:15 AM PDT by Americanexpat (ÂșIt is going to get even worse now that the)
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To: Tax-chick

Two cameras, one front and one rear for solid id on any person on the bus bullying or disturbing the peace and do as you say.

Yeah, I know.... cameras everywhere, but in critical safety situations they are a very good tool. The one place society does not need a video camera is in every kids possession for bragging rights evidence.

Kids can be very cruel and will do anything they think they can get away with, that’s human nature. Once its understood there will be stern consequences for their actions, 98% of this will cease.

There are two important reasons there is so much disturbance going on in “public” schools, 1. the kids think they are untouchable by anyone in authority & 2. severe lack of parenting.


32 posted on 07/01/2012 9:43:52 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: elpadre

“to sum it up - liberalism is the problem!!!”

Yes.

One other specific is the need for tort reform.

When the little animals’ parents try to sue, the judge’s response should be, “Bailiff, kick their @sses.”


33 posted on 07/01/2012 9:46:27 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Paladin2

Best suggestion yet;)


34 posted on 07/01/2012 9:47:45 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Dilbert San Diego

amen!


35 posted on 07/01/2012 9:48:29 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Yes. Schools should hire our unemployed military veterans.


36 posted on 07/01/2012 9:52:51 AM PDT by pioneerstakethearrows
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37 posted on 07/01/2012 9:54:30 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: QT3.14

Won’t be much of a question here in CA as our education budget is not allowing for transportation.


38 posted on 07/01/2012 9:58:51 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: William of Barsoom

Not just little creeps, but...thugs in training.


39 posted on 07/01/2012 10:02:28 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: QT3.14
What were Klein’s qualifications for being a school bus monitor and what training did she receive?

Klein used to be a bus driver. My guess is that she didn't want to be a driver anymore but she still wanted to/had to work and the only other job she could get in the school system was the bus monitor. Which seems to be a made up job for hangers-on to do until they drop dead. I am very sorry that Mrs. Klein was treated so badly by those brats and I'm happy for the response she's receiving, but times are bad when children can't behave themselves on a ride to school.

40 posted on 07/01/2012 10:05:47 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I have a friend who used to be a school bus driver. He used to mention “my monitor” frequently. It was my understanding that monitors were introduced not to monitor the kids, but to monitor the drivers. It was a female monitor whenever there was a male driver with young kids.


41 posted on 07/01/2012 10:27:39 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Tax-chick

Your post is so perfectly stated! Being a teacher I can sadly tell you that it will not happen. A child would have to kill someone on the bus before they would even think about kicking them off and then the parents would probably sue.


42 posted on 07/01/2012 10:29:47 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: rabidralph

Yes, I had read early on that she had retired from being a school bus driver of 20 years. Can you imagine how she has seen kids change over those years. When she started she had to deal with it all, plus driving. I’m sure she needed (needs) to supplement her income at this point.


43 posted on 07/01/2012 10:51:04 AM PDT by NTegraT (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: QT3.14

how about ratzazz parents instilling a modicum of respect in lousy kids like these?

what would your parents do to you if you told an old lady to shove a twinkie UHA, let alone in front of a crowd on a bus?


44 posted on 07/01/2012 11:11:40 AM PDT by 4buttons
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To: NTegraT

I’m sure it’s been heartbreaking to see the downward slide in civilization from one’s rearview mirror. I hope she can retire now.


45 posted on 07/01/2012 11:56:15 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Dilbert San Diego

My age is 45. When I was in school in the 70s, there were no bus monitors, no teacher-assistants, no police officers in the school, no grief counselors, no searches for dangerous nail clippers or aspirin ... and yet we survived *and* learned to read and do math.


46 posted on 07/01/2012 12:22:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The Lord will rescue me from every evil threat and bring me safe to His heavenly kingdom.")
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To: QT3.14
We are going about this entirely the wrong way...

Example:
When I was a kid, I lived in a very rural area and the bus rides were long... bullying, teasing, etc. were rarely an issue. Our driver, Pete, was the quietest guy you ever met: always with a smile on his face. I remember early on when two older teenagers who lived down the road from me (they were brothers) got into a knock-down fistfight on the bus. Pete stopped, got out of his seat and walked to the back. He popped open the emergency door in the back, shoved them both out, shut the door and promptly drove away. Not a word was ever spoken about it, Pete never lost his job nor did he have to defend his actions. Back then, "kicked off the bus" was taken quite literally and if you couldn't behave, it was a VERY long walk home.

47 posted on 07/01/2012 1:52:57 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
It's really hard to say that the parents are completely to blame.

Good kids raised by good parents often fall into the trap of peep response and do things that they would not normally do. I will agree though that the lack of serious consequences has increased the occurrences of things like this.

I mean, I'm sitting here just THINKING about what would have happened to me if I had done something even remotely close to this when I was a kid. I'm afraid my dad would have most likely beat me near to death... and I mean that quite literally. He would never tolerate me treating another human being in that manner and I knew it. Again, it's the lack of SEVERE consequences.

48 posted on 07/01/2012 2:02:58 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Tax-chick
When I was in school in the 70s, there were no bus monitors, no teacher-assistants, no police officers in the school, no grief counselors, no searches for dangerous nail clippers or aspirin .

Your comments also reminds me of an article I read years ago where a person was showing off the design and security features to another of a newly built public school. The persons response to this was it reminded him of a minimus-security prison.

49 posted on 07/01/2012 5:43:54 PM PDT by QT3.14 (USA: Likely only country in history with laws and policies that ensure self-destruction!)
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To: QT3.14

I went to a school like that in the 70s. It was a perfect cube, with one entry door, a few fire escapes, and slit windows. This was in South Texas, and I think it was supposed to be a model of energy-efficiency!


50 posted on 07/01/2012 6:20:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The Lord will rescue me from every evil threat and bring me safe to His heavenly kingdom.")
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