Skip to comments.Initiative would let voters overrule federal law
Posted on 07/06/2012 9:37:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB
PHOENIX -- Voters could get the right to overrule federal laws and mandates under the terms of an initiative filed late Thursday.
The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.
More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."
That could occur through a vote of the state House and Senate with consent of the governor.
But that also could occur through a popular vote on a ballot measure, effectively allowing voters to decide which federal laws they feel infringe on Arizona's rights as a sovereign state.
Read more: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/initiative-would-let-voters-overrule-federal-law/article_50d0e77c-d27c-5828-a3b6-d818c0042700.html#ixzz1zuNKE6ZN
(Excerpt) Read more at azdailysun.com ...
“I find it interesting that none of this is necessary in a constitutional republic. Conservatives didnt create this dilemma. Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone. The current crisis can be blamed ENTIRELY on the left who are intent on forcing everyone, in every state, to bend to the leftists will. Even worse, these evil control freaks want to up their game to a global scale.”
I agree whole heatedly. Let California create their own version of hell on earth for themselves and themselves alone for all I care. Any virtuous Californian needs to make like Lot and leave while they still can.
Eventually when the corrupt people of that state hit bottom the state will reform itself.
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Can NOT be done. Supremacy clause. Unconstitutional on it’s face. We want to make changes? let’s not do the fundamentally stupid. It is a waste of time.
Actually it can be done; the supremacy clause applies only to laws made pursuant to the Constitution, therefore all laws made by Congress Repugnant to the constitution are not so protected.
So is the government being able to force you to buy something, and giving you a fine for not buying said thing.
Oh boy, this sounds like fun. I’m going to talk to some of my activist friends and legislators in Virginia.
The states accepted offers of candy from the feds with strings attached, now this habit is a hard thing to break
Great idea, good to know we still have patriots in America that are willing to bet it all.
Obama of course will throw a childish temper tantrum.
But ideally we should consider even if its just talk the concept of most or all red states opting out of Obamacare first off, and also opting out of the upcoming election.
The electors will not be used, instead it will be done by a popular vote. The field will be reset and so will the play clock.
Its first and ten...
That is it in a nutshell. When EVERYTHING has been nationalized the stakes are very high indeed.
In a return to the Revolutionary period of America its also time to re-invent the Continental Militia.
Not quite a National Guard, not quite a police force.
Its always Freepers from the east and west coast who are most afraid of states standing up to the Feds. I hope the “sit down to pee’ers” get a new lesson in secession. At first you don’t secede....
I'm with you - the humidity in S, Mississippi is a bit much; some dry air might be just the ticket.
Having recently returned from Arizona where it was 107, I can testify that even though it is a dry heat......... it is still hot, hot, hot!
...totally under the control of the governor and has the pwer to patrol border and other functions.
In my estimation if Isreal,which is the size and population of New Jersy, can have a full blown military then any state could muster one.
Ah, not exactly!
Article 6, paragraph 2
Many use this clause when arguing that all laws written by the US Congress are supreme over any other. This is true, only in so far as when Federal laws are Constitutional.
If congress passes an unconstitutional law, in other words, a law that is passed which requires power not enumerated to the Federal government in the Constitution, this is an unlawful law, it is null and void; and neither the States, nor the people are obligated to abide by it.
Thomas Jefferson made the following statement regarding powers assumed by the Federal government (not enumerated by the Constitution):
I agree it can be HOT! (vs. hot), but I spent 6 years in SW Oklahoma and 105 felt better there than 95 with 95% humidity does here. It’s depressing when you step out of the house at 5 AM and your underwear are “stuck” within 5 steps...
i like it, although my pessimism is maxed out for anything to happen to slow the beast in the near future...
Rebellion would be a more appropriate term. Were it to happen.
An uprising against the feral government.
Nice dream. Don’t see it happening.
And who determines what federal laws are unconstitutional? Not the states, that has been determined in a long string of court cases going back to the earliest days of the Republic.
Roberts has rendered the Constitution moot. If he can grant fictitious powers to the Feds then I as a citizen will look to the state houses for relief. Finding none there then the last "box" will have to be employed.
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