Skip to comments.Amtrak plans 37-minute train from New York to Philadelphia by 2040
Posted on 07/10/2012 10:32:59 AM PDT by Olog-hai
Amtrak announced a $151 billion improvement plan on Monday that includes 37-minute trips from New York to Philadelphia at speeds approaching 220 miles per hour (354 km per hour).
However, the U.S. passenger railroad will need substantial financial support from both state and federal governments to make its ambitious plan to transform rail travel in the Northeast a reality.
The railroad predicted that super-fast train trips along the East Coast could be a reality by 2040. Travel times from New York to either Washington or Bostonboth about 200 miles (350 km) in distancewould also be slashed, to 94 minutes, the report said.
Current travel times from New York to Philadelphia on Amtrak's sleek Acela trains are 1 hour, 15 minutes. Travel between New York and Washington currently takes 2 hours, 45 minutes and New York to Boston takes 3 hours, 41 minutes, according to Amtrak's website.
"The NEC (Northeast Corridor) region is America's economic powerhouse and is facing a severe crisis with an aging and congested multi-model transportation network that routinely operates at or near capacity in key segments," Amtrak's President Joe Boardman said in a statement.
The traditionally cash-starved railroad is funded by Congress, where Republicans have been reluctant to finance prior plans to develop high-speed rail in the United States.
The newest Amtrak improvement plan also calls for direct links to airports and listed Newark, Philadelphia, Baltimore and White Plains, New York, as possible candidates for Amtrak service. Some are already served by local commuter rail lines, such as Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, which connects to the Philadelphia International Airport.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Make New York and Pennsylvania PAY FOR THE G*DD***ED THING!!!!
If you're going to an airport, why not fly ... at 600 mph?
Pay for what? My point was that the planned new railroad ain’t necessary. Nobody should have to pay $336 million per mile for any railroad at all, even a subway line.
The headline is misleading (it IS Reuters, after all!). 2040 is when Amtrak's version of a high-speed train is supposed to arrive in Philly!!
The train left NYC yesterday!
If American travelers absolutely want, need, and are willing to pay for and support “high speed rail” on the “north east corridor” from Washington, D.C. to Boston (if it is economically legitimate) then it can best be achieved by selling Amtrak in an IPO, supporting it in government when it comes to trying to develop “rights of way” and letting private capital investment, technology and the “inter-modal” transportation market place decide how it will all work out.
In other words, get all the politics off the table and let the private sector try to work it out.
That is the only kind of “high speed rail” development that Conservatives should be supporting.
"PAGING CALIFORNIA, PAGING CALIFORNIA. PLEASE PICK UP THE WHITE PAGING PHONE!"
Not to worry. Doubt if we even have a country left by 2040.
They already have stops at EWR and BWI. That’s more than enough airports, really. The EWR station contributes to making average speeds slower (especially that of NJ Transit) and doesn’t pull in all that much revenue.
Maybe they should have left the railroad in question in the hands of the Pennsylvania Railroad and New Haven Railroad companies, and removed the tangle of taxation and ICC regulation that they were strangling them with?
I’m confused by this articles assumption that Amtrak will be around in 2040.
Of course it will be, unless the DNC disappears. It’s one of the DNC’s favorite political footballs after all, even though they didn’t make it law (Nixon did).
At least NYC to Philly makes more sense than Bakersfield to Madera lol...
Politicians will get paid, Unions will get paid, Government will get paid; taxpayers will get raped.
Just what the hell is it for? So the typical welfare recipient can shuttle quickly between two states to apply for, administer and arrange for doubled-dipped welfare checks....
Don't think I'm joking; this has been done before - a lot!
Just believe really, really, really, really hard that you will be in Philly from NYC and it will happen! They teach us that in school! You can do anything you believe you can!
I only meant that a train service should be financed by the people who benefit from it.
A federally funded train is unfair to the other 98% who have to pay but don't ride. AMTRAK is a federal welfare program for the East coast.
Probably longer than that. France builds LGVs for a lot less than $20 million per mile. But we don’t even need a duplicate railroad; if the costs were kept under control (yeah, imagine that), it ought to cost a minuscule fraction in order to get average speeds into the triple digit range like they were talking back in the 1960s. Of course, nothing “out of the box” in Europe will be permitted to run in the USA thanks to the Federal Railroad Administration’s regulations regarding crashworthiness and other things . . .
Cripes, if our gov’t wasn’t doing everything in its power to kill innovation and capitalism, by 2040 we ought to have the technology to BEAM someone from NY to Philadelphia in 37 milliseconds!
I defer to your knowledge of prices currently to/from wherever. I submit that when the debacle is instantiated, all that goes out the window for Obama’s people. Done before, will be done again.
this report / projection is recycled every time amtrack feels threatened by budget cuts.
Trains are pointless except for cargo.
Driverless cars are the future.
If the politically correct stay in control and ignore the Elephant named “Islam’, it will be a high speed rail line between two smoking, radioactive holes in the ground.
if its Reuters its WRONG.
In Philly's case, it would be an improvement.
(ducking for cover)
Today there are about 200,000 railroad employees ~ most of them employed in freight operations. Rail right of way is probably nearly 140,000 miles, but active mileage is cited as low as 45,000 miles ~ depending on who is doing the counting, there are great differences in the mileage estimate.
The expectations are for even less employment as the roads adopt labor saving mechanization, automation, computerization and robotics. The need for miles of track will continue to drop as improved work methods and analysis will combine with intermodal technology to eliminate the need to operate less than optimal right of way.
British and French HSTs have amazing crashworthiness specs and record.
But alas i know you are right, on all counts.
We shall breakout the Popcorn,eh?
Nice historical research but I'm not talking about 'employees'....think construction, BIG DIG, WTC Memorial.....UNION. YEARS OF IT. Trillions by the time they're done if you're talking $260 Million/mile.
Automation technology currently being developed for cars, trucks and buses will most likely reduce local congestion substantially.
Now, not to defend Amtrak, but the highest costs and lowest income from fares occur everywhere but the East Coast between Boston and Washington.
The subsidy is in "the West" as seen from Hyannis Port.
You left out the part about clicking your heels together.
So who paid for the roads for the RR’s competitors?
There's little real employment to be had in building railroads ~ ballast gets hauled in and dumped by machines. It gets tamped by machines. Concrete is mixed by machines. Steel is laid down and manipulated by machines.
The big bucks are made by non union analysts and designers!
Yea....like I’m gonna believe that.
Will the unionized conductors still have to be paid 2.5 hours for each trip?
Machines, huh? Automated machines, I guess. Machines that don’t need concrete truck drivers, drivers for pilings, drivers for bed gravel, drivers for ties, steel for bridges, welders, fitters and all the digger crews/operators.
I’ve actually studied railroad maintenance and replacement. Sure the machines are as automated and as efficient as you can get - at least here in Georgia where the Unions don’t control the support infrastructure support. In the northeast, it will be much worse. You only need look to Boston’s Big Dig to see that. Automation is great, if you can remove the human, and by human I mean UNION component from it. There, you cannot.
It’s how they’re gonna keep Pennsylvania a blue state.
The imported voters will be able to cast multiple ballots in Philly and be back to the Bronx before the Knicks game tips off.
The current rail route won’t support those speeds so new land will have to be acquired/seized and/or the track will be elevated. Between the environmental, safety, aesthetic and other lawsuits, it will never happen.
The problem with trains is that you either have to fork out for first class, or you are stuck in steerage with the most disgusting people! $200 for first class Acela, or $90 for steerage? I go with first class every time.
I can walk and be there long before 2040.
I shall never get in a “driverless” car.
The union problem ends at the Potomac River at this end.
I signed aboard this ship to practice medicine, not to have my atoms scattered back and forth across space by this gadget!Even if a matter teleportation device is ever invented, I think I would want to travel in some old-fashioned way, rather like Bones.
Dr. McCoy, from Space Seed
The actual situation is that there IS BASICALLY NO SERVICE anywhere but the East coast.
To take a train anywhere else will cost a huge amount and take longer than any other form of transportation except maybe a bicycle.
It is a total rip unless one is an East coast commuter.
Best bet for Amtrak is to shut it down while selling off the East Coast service pak to a private operator.
The dozen guys watching are enough "jobs-creation" justification for Democrats.
They've done that recently.
Notice, though, those jobs have no staying power. Everybody else ends up going bankrupt and gets put on the street!
That may be so. I believe you. It just boggles the mind when, as somewhere in the article mentions that estimated costs are ~$260 million per mile.
And as you say, automation in track maintenance, repair and re-laying is highly automated and few people are needed, at least out on the tracks to do it. I’ve sat and watched them for years - amazing, replacing ties, rails and grinding and leveling in one pass of a couple-three ‘machine trains’. But, somebody has to ‘load the magazine’ so to speak.
I’d say a good portion of the $260 million will be going somewhere it doesn’t need to be.
No doubt Ol’Jer Brown and his cronies have in mind men lifting pickaxes and others turning jack, but that’s not what’s going to happen ~ there will, of course, be lawyers ~ thousands of lawyers!
And the Federal government, should not have, in that same era, used a massive new government program to establish a condition - the Interstate highway system - that made for government sponsored competition against the private railroads, in both freight hauling and commuter trains, and was a boon to bus companies and those who made buses, as well as the truck-hauling industry and those who made trucks. Private toll roads could have done the job, and maybe the pace at which they could have done that, the routes available, and the tolls might have left more room for the railroad industry to adjust, improve and still be efficient and economical for passengers. We’ll never know; the option was not taken.
At the same time, in the major freight transportation and largest commuter market of New York City, two sets of huge new tunnels for roadways (not rail) were built and operated by a new government agency, one crossing the Hudson river between Manhattan and New Jersey, and the other crossing the East River between Manhattan and Queens - actions which were part of the changes that helped put the New York metropolitan commuter train lines into bankruptcy; with ICC and Union shackles still in place, and motor vehicles given brand new government provided options.
It must be hit home all the time - whenever the government intervenes in the market place, it gives with one hand and takes away with the other.
Now, a half century later, the state governments of New York and New Jersey are looking at large new train tunnels - at taxpayer expense - to help the commuter train lines they are still operating (at multi-million$ deficits), because they want to help kill more of the automobile traffic that their earlier tunnel projects helped produce.
The cycle repeats.
The real question is whether it is worth it to travel from NYC to PHI in 30 FEWER minutes. The existing trip isn’t horrible (although there’s not too much demand for it). Do we really want to allot a quarter TRILLION dollars to making the trip a half hour shorter for a few thousand folk? Millions of folks with a 90 minute commute times each way in their cars might be feeling otherwise.