Posted on 07/20/2012 7:35:11 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
Collectivism: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution.
If Chuck Todd is right, our country is in trouble. On Morning Joe today, discussing President Obama's "you didn't build that" remarks, NBC political director Todd opined that "half this country believes" we are about collectivism.
View the video here.
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And, of course, believing in collectivism makes it a good idea we should pursue. It worked so well in 1620 Plymoth, 18th century France, 20th century Russia and China. And don’t forget Cambodia, Cuba, etc, etc, etc. With the hundreds of millions of lives either made destitute or extinguished outright in the pursuit of the collectivist shangri la one can only come to the conclusion that we should try it again. </sarc>
collectivism = slavery
Do the math, Chuck.
A major cause of the problem is people who send their children to government indoctrination centers (public schools) where the children do not learn the facts about capitalism or collectivism, or American history, or critical thinking.
I would say Todd is understating the percentage. I would also say that you are understating the percentage of freeloaders, since public schooling is a form of welfare. Doesn't matter if you're paying taxes or not. If you took food stamps or heating assistance while paying taxes, you'd be freeloading nonetheless. Same with public schooling. Yet many do it, because they went to public schools themselves...and they just don't think. (In two generations at most, they will have stopped thinking about food stamps, too.)
So if I may take the liberty of paraphrasing your post:
"Half This Country Believes In Collectivism" Sure, more than half are freeloading. Or, to put it another way, the more than half that's too lazy to TEACH and relies on the government to do it for them.
So let’s examine this. We now appear to have a nation in which:
1) Only half the population pays taxes, but a significant amount of the revenues are redistributed by the government to those who don’t pay taxes.
2) The government determines arbitrarily what income is allowed and what income is punished.
3) The government controls health care and wants to put in place a large bureaucracy to determine which therapies are allowed and which are not, and has the power to force those who disagree on religious grounds to pay for procedures they morally oppose.
4) The media has become a propaganda tool.
5) The POTUS states publicly that businesses were not created by individuals (i.e. implying that the ‘owners’ of those businesses don’t really ‘own’ them).
6) Selected government officials are beyond the law and feel free to ignore demands by representatives of the people (i.e. Eric Holder defying and ignoring Congress).
7) Specific demographics that support the ‘regime’ are favored and protected, while those that oppose are persecuted.
8) The sanctity of the vote has been eroded, and efforts to prevent vote fraud and participation by the ineligible are fought by the regime. The populace now questions the accuracy of the vote.
9) The head of the ‘regime’, the POTUS, does not have to prove eligibility to hold office, and citizens can’t challenge because of ‘lack of legal standing’. Those who protest or question are ridiculed.
There are many, many more examples to fill this list.
So why are we any different than the USSR, or communist China, or even Cuba?
We’re still different from them because the marxist elite still fear the political power of voters.
Otherwise Pelosi wouldn’t be so worried about her tax return, for example.
This is what more than a half century of left wing public education and media has wrought.
Chuck Todd is right. Half the country believes in “Gimme gimme gimme and make someone else pay for it.” Its the end result of the Welfare State corrupting our morals.
Half the country does not beileve in collectivism. It’s only about 20 percent.
Let’s not get crazy. While nearly 50 percent do not pay income taxes, mostly that’s due to the cocakmamie tax system we have that allows for many people on the low end to receive earned income tax credits or pay no income taxes at all. Even those who pay no income tax are paying a very regressive payroll tax.
Plus people who don’t pay income often do pay real estate and sales taxes.
The number of people who believe a false-fact as true, do not MAKE it true. The truth is not subject to democratic vote...
Collectivism: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution.
From Dictionary.com:
collective [kuh-lek-tiv] adjective
1. formed by collection.
2. forming a whole; combined: the collective assets of a corporation and its subsidiaries.
3. of or characteristic of a group of individuals taken together: the collective wishes of the membership.
4. organized according to the principles of collectivism: a collective farm.
I don't think Romney or Todd were using the word "collective" in the sense of the definition in the article or the fourth definition from dictionary.com. And neither of them used the word "collectivism", at least not first.
Useful idiots who help the leftists steal the language derailed the conversation by defaulting to the Marxist usage of the word "collective".
If there is anyone on the forum who thinks they can get along as well as they do now without the whole, combined assets and characteristics of the society in which we live, let them speak up. But that means people who could be dropped naked into the jungle, forest or tundra and not just survive but thrive.
Hey chuckie, how about if we confiscate all of your assets and belongings and redistribute them to the “collective”. We can then pack you off to a collective farm or collectivist state factory where you can toil for the masses for the rest of your worthless life.
Like terror masterminds, shitheads like todd never “bite the bullet” themselves in the name of the cause.
FUBO & FAD
Half the people in this country have never learned to think, to dream, or to imagine they can have a better future and do it themselves. Half the people think they are wards of the state and are unable to do anything without government help. They don’t think at all. It’s not that they believe in collectivism, it’s that they don’t believe in themselves.
Believes In Collectivism just like Bernie Madoff did.
Not true. Do your homework.
Excellent list.
Keep the faith.
He wrote Two New Sciences while under house arrest after the Inquisition found him a heretic.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ewKMpRsF4Y8C&pg=PA47#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=KBKSyHOLzZAC&pg=PA96#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
Ship the American collectivists to Cuba and let them cut sugar cane.
He got in trouble for proposing that everything revolved around the earth - heliocentrism. Has nothing to do with the earth being flat, which was never a general belief.
This from Chuck Todd... the same brainiac who commented that Obama is some kind of god.
Todd was right in both cases. Sad but true.
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