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Muslim Antichrist? Idea stirs hornet's nest
WND ^ | July 23, 2012 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 07/24/2012 10:59:04 AM PDT by Perseverando

Popular Turk personality fires back, says Christians teamed with Satan

A WND author’s bold claim that the biblical Antichrist will be Islamic has rankled one of the Mideast’s most dynamic personalities, prompting the creator of a TV show reportedly seen by millions to fire back that it’s not Muslims, but Christians who are “on the side of the Antichrist and Satan.”

Adnan Oktar, who writes Islamic creationist books under the pen name Harun Yahya, is reported by Reuters to be one of the most widely distributed authors in the Muslim world, with a publishing empire that boasts over 250 books in 52 languages. Israel’s Arutz Sheva reports his TV program seen by millions in the Middle East.

But Oktar – a white-suit clad personality who surrounds himself with glamorous women and opulence – is often accused of leading a sex-tainted cult in which some followers believe the author is actually Islam’s long-awaited savior, or “Mahdi.”

Apparently, Oktar is none too pleased with biblical research linking the Mahdi to the Antichrist.

Oktar devoted a television program recently to blasting Joel Richardson, author of the New York Times best-selling “The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth About the Real Nature of the Beast” and “Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case for an Islamic Antichrist”, for drawing parallels between the rise of Islam in Turkey and the rise of the Antichrist.

“Evangelical author Joel Richardson, quoting the prophecies of the Gospels, … says that Turkey will become a power in the last days,” Oktar said, according to a translation of the show. “This Joel … is sitting in the lap of the Antichrist and he is not aware of it. The proponents of the Antichrist see the system of the Mahdi as the system of the Antichrist. … Seeing the Antichrist as the Mahdi and

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antichrist; islam; joelrichardson; mahdi; mohammad; muslim; muslimislam; prophecy; satan; turkey
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1 posted on 07/24/2012 10:59:15 AM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Well, anyone who will not take the “mark of the beast” during the great tribulation will be beheaded. Sounds pretty muslim to me!


2 posted on 07/24/2012 11:02:59 AM PDT by davandbar
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To: Perseverando

I started thinking about this a couple of years ago. What if the “false religion” of the Beast is not some perverted Christianity at all but, rather, is Islam.

Even Hal Lyndsey missed that back in the day.

Not saying it is, but it is an interesting thought.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 11:03:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Perseverando

Wait a minute . . . I thought the Anti-Christ was supposed to be a Syrian Jew?


4 posted on 07/24/2012 11:03:31 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: cuban leaf

The Koran is a perverted version of the Bible. So that part fits.


5 posted on 07/24/2012 11:05:04 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

—The Koran is a perverted version of the Bible. —

Not to pick nits, but that is not how I see it. I see it as an extrabiblical work of fiction and “wisdom”. It’s not that long of a read and is all over the internet. You should read it. But it’s like reading a Chilton’s manual from cover to cover, with no pictures.

The Koran is a lame book that is dangerous in that people believe it is from a god. It is sick and twisted, and comes from a sick and twisted warrior. He was not a carpenter.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 11:10:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Perseverando

Don’t think it will be a Muslim. The Antichrist will have the personal charm and integrity to be able to fool the people of the world into believing that he is a deity.

And, he will sign a peace treaty with the Jews.

If a Muslim were to sign a peace treaty with the Jews, he would not be able to guide and pressure the Muslims into
accomplishing his will. The Muslims would rebel against him.

Muslims do not have a monolithic religious structure—note the vast differences and anger between the Sunnis and Shiites. It is not difficult to see angry Muslims rebelling against another Muslim.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 11:18:20 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Perseverando

A simple comparison of the life of Christ and the life of Mohammed.

Jesus said that the Thief (that is Satan, the enemy of your soul), comes to steal and to kill and to destroy.

That’s exactly what Mohammed did. Steal, kill, and destroy. His followers continue to do so to this very day.

Mohammed was a pirate, a polygamist, a pedophile, an adulterer, a rapist, a mass murderer, a torturer, an executioner, a slave owner, a slave trader, a liar, a truce-breaker, a Jew-hater, a genocidal savage, and an unspeakably cruel tyrant.

Jesus never married, never stole, never lied, never killed, taught that you should love them that hate you, bless them that curse you, be kind one to another, to do unto others as you would have them do to you. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the World and paid the penalty of death so that we could have eternal life with Him.

Which one is the true Prophet of God?

It’s a no-brainer for any rational person.


8 posted on 07/24/2012 11:18:20 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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Youtube “Islam and the 7 year Tribulation”. Tell your friends to take a look too, it’s well worth the 20 minutes.


9 posted on 07/24/2012 11:22:04 AM PDT by Hayride
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To: davandbar

***Well, anyone who will not take the “mark of the beast” during the great tribulation will be beheaded. Sounds pretty muslim to me!***

I noticed something many years ago, devout moslems recognize each other by the callus on the forehead formed when they pound their head on the pavement five times a day.

Could this be the mark of the beast?


10 posted on 07/24/2012 11:25:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: cuban leaf

*** It’s not that long of a read and is all over the internet. You should read it.***

I’ve tried several times but the koran is like the book of mormon. After a few verses..

“My head grew heavy and my eyes grew dim. I had to stop for the night.”


11 posted on 07/24/2012 11:28:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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13 posted on 07/24/2012 11:31:10 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Perseverando

By definition Islam is AntiChrist and Moslems are anti-christians.

Hey Muslims, stay out of OUR religion! Since you do not believe in the divinity of Christ, you are explicitly against the supreme doctrine of all Christians. Christ means the Savior in Greek. YOUR savior is Muhammad. Christians do not recognize him as anything.

If what I say wasn’t true, then can I build a Christian church in Saudia Arabia? No? Why not? Becauser Moslems do not beliweve in the divinity of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Redeemer, the true CHRIST. That makes you ANTI-Christ and anti-Christian.


14 posted on 07/24/2012 11:31:12 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (A is for Altura...)
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To: cuban leaf

I highly recommend getting and reading the book(s) - however, if you want a free online early version, it is here:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm


16 posted on 07/24/2012 11:38:18 AM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Squidpup

from my link:

Chapter Eighteen

A Summary Of Comparisons Between The Islamic And Biblical Narrative Of The End-Times

So in summary we conclude this section with a final review of the many startling similarities that exist between the biblical narrative of the last-days and the Islamic narrative of the same period.

· Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.
· Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.

· Bible: the False Prophet is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days who will support the Antichrist.
· Islam: the Muslim Jesus is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days to support the Mahdi.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet together will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the earth in an effort to subdue every nation and dominate the World.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will have a powerful army that will attempt to control every nation of the earth and dominate the World.

· Bible: The False Prophet is described essentially as a dragon in lamb’s clothing.
· Islam: The Muslim Jesus literally comes bearing the name of the one that the world knows as “The Lamb of God: Jesus Christ.” Yet the Muslim Jesus comes to murder all those who do not submit to Islam.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus establish a New World Order.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet institute new laws for the whole earth.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus institute Islamic law all over the earth.

· Bible: The Antichrist is said to “change the times.”
· Islam: It is quite certain that if the Mahdi established Islam all over the earth, he would discontinue the use of Saturday and Sunday as the weekend or days of rest but rather Friday, the holy day of Islam. Also, he would most certainly eliminate the Gregorian calendar (A.D.), and replace it with the Islamic calendar (A. H.) as is used in every Islamic country.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will both be powerful religious leaders who will attempt to institute a universal world religion.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will institute Islam as the only religion in the earth.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will execute anyone who does not submit to their world religion.
· Islam: Likewise, the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will execute anyone who does not submit to Islam.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will specifically use beheading as the primary means of execution for non-conformists.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will use the Islamic practice of beheading for executions.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will kill as many Jews as is possible until only a few are left hiding behind rocks and trees.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will attack to conquer and seize Jerusalem.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will attack to re-conquer and seize Jerusalem for Islam.

· Bible: The Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish temple as his seat of authority.
· Islam: The Mahdi will establish the Islamic Caliphate from Jerusalem.

· Bible: The False Prophet is said to do many miracles to deceive as many as possible into supporting the Antichrist.
· Islam: The Mahdi himself is said to control the weather and the crops. His face is said to glow. We can also assume that since Jesus is viewed as having been empowered by Allah to work miracles when he was here on earth the first time, he will most likely be expected to continue to do so when he returns.

· Bible: The Antichrist is described as riding on a white horse in the Book of Revelation
· Islam: The Mahdi is described as riding on a white horse (ironically from the same verse).

· Bible: The Antichrist is said to make a peace treaty with Israel for seven years.
· Islam: The Mahdi is said to make a peace treaty through a Jew (specifically a Levite) for exactly seven years.

· Bible: Jesus the Jewish Messiah will return to defend the Jews in Israel from a military attack from a vast coalition of nations led by the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
· Islam: The Dajjal, the Islamic Antichrist will gain a great Jewish following and claim to be Jesus Christ and fight against the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus.

· Bible: The antichrist spirit specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.
· Islam: Islam doctrinally and spiritually specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.

· Bible: The primary warning of Jesus and the Apostle Paul was to warn Christians of the abundance of deceit and deception in the last-days.
· Islam: Islam is perhaps the only religion in the earth that practices deceit as one of its tools to assist its own ascendancy. It actually has a specific doctrine which allows and even calls for deception to be used to achieve its desired end.

· Bible: The specific nations pictured in the Bible as being part of the final empire of the Antichrist are all Islamic nations.
· Islam: All Muslims are commanded to give their allegiance to The Mahdi as the final Caliph and Imam (leader) of Islam.

· Bible: From the Bible and History we learn that the final Antichrist empire will be a revived version of the Empire that succeeds the Roman Empire
· Islam: The Empire that succeeded the Roman/Byzantine Empire was the Islamic Ottoman Empire

· Bible: When Antichrist emerges, there will already be some form of system in place that will be poised to receive him as a Savior and to give allegiance to him.
· Islam is already the second largest religion and will at present growth rates become the largest religion within a few decades. Islam is awaiting the coming of the Mahdi with a universal anticipation.


17 posted on 07/24/2012 11:42:59 AM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Perseverando
Unfortunately for pro-Jewish American-style Fundamentalist Protestants, the "antichrist" awaited by the ancient historical churches is the authentic Jewish Mashiach. They insist the "true messiah" rules a "spiritual kingdom" from heaven and that the Messiah who rules the world from Jerusalem is the "antichrist."

There's one thing, however, that is attributed to the "antichrist" that Mashiach will never do: claim to be G-d or "higher than" G-d. In fact when it comes to this one thing the one who best fits the description of the "antichrist" is the Nazarene himself, with his claim to be G-d (chas vechalilah!) and his followers claiming that his name is the "name above all other names" including the Shem HaMeforash (the Explicit Name of G-d) Itself. I have often wondered at the irony of chrstians warning against a future tyrant who will claim to be G-d when they already worship such a person.

18 posted on 07/24/2012 11:44:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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The beast that comes out of the sea (antichrist)

The beast that comes out of the land (false prophet)

The beast that comes out of the Abyss (Satan)

19 posted on 07/24/2012 11:49:05 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
“I noticed something many years ago, devout moslems recognize each other by the callus on the forehead formed when they pound their head on the pavement five times a day.”

Another telltale sign is the brown stained nose from lining up on their rugs to sniff each others ass five times a day.

( Is it any wonder they are so angry all the time?)

20 posted on 07/24/2012 11:53:13 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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21 posted on 07/24/2012 11:54:14 AM PDT by Fat Tiger
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To: Perseverando

Call for ‘Barack 0bama.’ Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.


22 posted on 07/24/2012 11:54:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: musicman

Doesn’t it seem odd to islamists that the kaaba must be artifically lit to see it in the dark?


23 posted on 07/24/2012 11:56:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: righttackle44

You forget that moslems feel that it is acceptable to lie ti infidels. Moslems will see the treaty for what it is.


24 posted on 07/24/2012 11:57:02 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
... concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord.
25 posted on 07/24/2012 11:57:50 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I still want to know what “666” means, or stands for???


26 posted on 07/24/2012 11:59:48 AM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: chesley

Google “islam 666” and you get over 6 million results.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 12:03:27 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“I have often wondered at the irony of chrstians warning against a future tyrant who will claim to be G-d when they already worship such a person.”

It is only ironic if that Person, Jesus Christ, isn’t truly God, and everything else that means. If it IS true, then to disbelieve would be very perilous, don’t you agree?


28 posted on 07/24/2012 12:05:16 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Perseverando

Bible or Koran, TV preachers are the same everywhere, neglecting the spiritual, overemphasizing the physical and the here and now for fun and profit. Mostly profit.


29 posted on 07/24/2012 12:09:58 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: gop4lyf

Interesting, but then you get all kinds of interpretations of it, including people who think it referred to the emperor Nero, obviously incorrectly.

I just wonder if it will become clearer as the day approaches.


30 posted on 07/24/2012 12:15:53 PM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: Perseverando

Where’s a good drone when you need one?


31 posted on 07/24/2012 12:18:17 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Perseverando

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=W-DkPZxbDhs


33 posted on 07/24/2012 12:25:54 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Perseverando

If you look in the Bible at the verses that refer to the “Abomination of Desolation” you will see that Dome of the Rock Mosque sitting on top of the temple mound fits the description pretty well.

I think that Islam is the “false Christianity” referred to in scripture and that sometime soon the Jews are going to do something about the mosque sitting on THEIR most holy site. Last I heard there was evidence that the Wailing Wall wasn’t part of the ancient temple, but a wall of the Roman garrison. The actual site of the temple may be elsewhere on the mound.


34 posted on 07/24/2012 12:28:07 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: righttackle44
The Antichrist will have the personal charm and integrity to be able to fool the people of the world into believing that he is a deity.

Sounds like (mooslim) Obama.

35 posted on 07/24/2012 12:30:26 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Squidpup

If Islam will be our future it will be only because we have a Congress that does not object to the idea.

That their children will become the real victims of their apathy is of no concern to them.


37 posted on 07/24/2012 12:35:27 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: BipolarBob; cuban leaf; All

The Koran is a perverted version of the Bible. So that part fits.
///
good point!
...and the Bible says, Jesus will return, after another religion becomes the most numerous.
last year, that was reported as happening... Islam.
...if you read the Sura, the life of Mohammad,
and read about the Cave... most Christians would have no doubt, the “angel of light” was Satan himself, who instead of reassuring Mohammad, terrorized and choked him!
( never, in 3000 years, has a true angel done so... )
and the Bible warns also, that Satan can still appear as an angel.
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so i have no doubt, Islam is the religion of the Beast.
(even small details, example, Psalms indicates Satan dislikes music... so what would the religion of Satan say about music? it would ban it. just as Islam says it is “haram”.
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The Bible has marriage as a sacred sacrament, in both the new and old Testaments. In Corinthians, the Husband is told to love his wife, as Jesus loves his Church.
...Jesus himself, spoke out strongly against divorce.
=
...but in Islam? ... a wife is simply a field to till...
and can be divorced, as fast as the man can speak “i divorce you” 3 times...


39 posted on 07/24/2012 12:40:22 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perseverando
Anyone who has spent any time studying this vile, eeeevil, barbaric, misogynistic, cult, posing as a "religion" or its psychotic, murdering, pederast, thug, "Profit" who divined Islam from whole cloth simply to give himself cover in order to pillage, plunder, rape and otherwise, lead a life of true debauchery, would be hard pressed to disagree or dispute this cartoon:

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41 posted on 07/24/2012 1:10:36 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Explain how Christ is a tyrant. - I have never known Him to be anything but good. He has never DEMANDED worship from anyone for Himself, but rather for His Father in Heaven.


42 posted on 07/24/2012 1:12:26 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama; fundamentally turning America into Sodom & Gomorrah one EO at a time.)
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To: Perseverando

islame is an abomination that causes desolation.


43 posted on 07/24/2012 1:13:29 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Perseverando

Well, Revelation describes the end times as dominated by an apostate religious-governmental system with a murderously low tolerance for unbelievers and a particular taste for beheading. I’m just sayin’.


45 posted on 07/24/2012 1:22:33 PM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: Perseverando

I find it interesting that the characters that John saw and interpreted as Greek for ‘666’, are actually Arabic characters that translate to ‘in the name of allah, islam’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFw2KrI3mng


46 posted on 07/24/2012 1:24:04 PM PDT by bassyak (Yakkin' all the way to the fish.)
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To: Squidpup
great list and good information in your post #17. - only thing i would add, is this, from several years ago:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080331-AP-islam-largest.html
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Vatican: Islam Surpasses Roman Catholicism as World's Largest ...
Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday.
"For the first time in history, we are no longer ...
www.foxnews.com/story/​0,2933,343336,00.html - Cached =
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=200805267523
Islam: The largest religion in the world Dr. Mozammel Haque
FOR the first time Islam is the largest religion in the world, the Vatican has announced. According to the Vatican’s newly published statistics Yearbook based on figures for 2006, Muslims now account for 19.2 per cent of the world’s population, while Catholics make up 17.4 per cent.
Monsignor Vittorio Formenti, who edited the Yearbook, conceded: “For the first time in history we are no longer at the top: the Muslims have overtaken us.”But he put the reason down to birthrate. “While it is known that Muslim families continue to have many children, Christian families are having fewer,”
47 posted on 07/24/2012 1:24:11 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
>"neglecting the spiritual, overemphasizing the physical and the here and now for fun and profit."


Almost all of the TV peeps are whores.

Check out some Chuck Missler vids. I have seen dozens. He NEVER even mentions $$$.

You can tell by his actions he has faith in God, and not mammon.

48 posted on 07/24/2012 1:25:32 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Squidpup
great list and good information in your post #17. - only thing i would add, is this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080331-AP-islam-largest.html - Vatican: Islam Surpasses Roman Catholicism as World's Largest ... Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday. "For the first time in history, we are no longer ... www.foxnews.com/story/​0,2933,343336,00.html - Cached = http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=200805267523 Islam: The largest religion in the world Dr. Mozammel Haque FOR the first time Islam is the largest religion in the world, the Vatican has announced. According to the Vatican’s newly published statistics Yearbook based on figures for 2006, Muslims now account for 19.2 per cent of the world’s population, while Catholics make up 17.4 per cent. Monsignor Vittorio Formenti, who edited the Yearbook, conceded: “For the first time in history we are no longer at the top: the Muslims have overtaken us.”But he put the reason down to birthrate. “While it is known that Muslim families continue to have many children, Christian families are having fewer,”
49 posted on 07/24/2012 1:26:47 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perseverando

Islam is anti-christ, the muslims have their own anti-christ known as Dajjal, they fear him, but the description of Dajjal fits Jesus returned in his crucified body to a tee. Islam is a failed religion that branched off from Abraham’s son Ishmael, the Jews believe it was Issac who was taken to be sacrificed, while the Arabs believe it was Ishmael. This is the root of the hatred between Jews and Arabs, the Arab kingdom was given a chance at redemption by God when the Arch angels Gabriel and Michael requested Muhammad to go into the city and give up their idols, Muhammad compromised with the citizens and they gave up only some of their idols, so, he failed. In order to understand Revelations, one must not disregard the Koran, it’s a key as it were, the players are parallel to the Bible’s Old Testament and New Testament, for they both branched off from Abraham’s boys Issac and Ishmael as stated in the Old Testament.


50 posted on 07/24/2012 1:32:48 PM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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