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ACLU Attorney: Blocking Chick-fil-A Over Gay Marriage 'Viewpoint Discrimination'
Examiner ^ | JOE NEWBY | JULY 26, 2012

Posted on 07/27/2012 11:40:26 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Although the ACLU strongly supports same-sex marriage, a senior attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois warned that if Chicago bans Chick-fil-A over the religious views of its management, it will be engaging in "viewpoint discrimination," Fox News reported Thursday.

“The government can regulate discrimination in employment or against customers, but what the government cannot do is to punish someone for their words,” said ACLU senior attorney Adam Schwartz.

“When an alderman refuses to allow a business to open because its owner has expressed a viewpoint the government disagrees with, the government is practicing viewpoint discrimination,” he added.

Chicago Alderman Proco Joe Moreno said he intends to block the chain from opening its second Chicago location over president Dan Cathy's position on gay marriage. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel supports Moreno's position.

Schwartz explained to Fox that "if a government can exclude a business for being against same-sex marriage, it can also exclude a business for being in support of same-sex marriage."

“But we also support the First Amendment,” Schwartz said. “We don’t think the government should exclude Chick-fil-A because of the anti-LGBT message. We believe this is clear cut.”

But Moreno has already said he is not concerned with the First Amendment.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; belongsinbloggers; chicago; chickfila; discrimination; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 07/27/2012 11:40:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Amazing how the death of morality and the death of freedom walk hand in hand.

Those that push acceptance of homosexuality are also the ones who will eventually seek to rob us of out basic freedoms.


2 posted on 07/27/2012 11:43:58 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: nickcarraway

we don’t need no Chick-fil-a here
we just need our gun control

community organizer values in our city
hey! gangbangers! leave those kids alone!

Rahm is just another nut on the wall.


3 posted on 07/27/2012 11:44:11 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: nickcarraway
Something's not right with this guy:

Chicago Alderman Proco Joe Moreno

4 posted on 07/27/2012 11:48:59 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: nickcarraway
But Moreno has already said he is not concerned with the First Amendment.

If the people of Chicago weren't bed wetting eunuchs, he'd be concerned about the second.

5 posted on 07/27/2012 11:49:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: nickcarraway

As for the Mayor, citing “Chicago’s Values”, let’s not pretend they are to be held in esteem.

This is the guy who announced they weren’t going to “arrest their way out” of the high murder rate.

In a city that already has some of the most restrictive gun control laws on the books, how is not arresting the murderers going to help?


6 posted on 07/27/2012 11:51:26 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Those that push acceptance of homosexuality are also the ones who will eventually seek to rob us of out basic freedoms."

You have nailed it! Our Constitution was based upon Natural Law. Through Same Sex Marriage, they are throwing out the concept of Natural Law. Natural Law says 'One Man One Woman.'

7 posted on 07/27/2012 11:52:54 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: nickcarraway; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :“The government can regulate discrimination in employment or against customers, but what the government cannot do is to punish someone for their words,” said ACLU senior attorney Adam Schwartz

That is the whole idea of the 1st Amendment, the gubmnt not punishing us for our words,
But libs claim ala Citizens’ United whining that businesses are not people so they have no speech rights. Not that libs hold others to the same rules as they do themselves anyway.

8 posted on 07/27/2012 11:55:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: nickcarraway
"...refuses to allow a business to open because its owner has expressed a viewpoint the government disagrees with, the government is practicing viewpoint discrimination,”

No it's not!!!!.... it's called.....

TYRANNY


9 posted on 07/27/2012 11:57:56 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
Many anti-discrimination statutes include language similar to, " does not discriminate against or deny services to anyone on the basis of race, color, creed, . ."

I'm curious if Chick-a-fil's pro-marriage view would fall under 'creed'.

10 posted on 07/27/2012 12:11:42 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: nickcarraway

There are laws, and there are unwritten rules.

Thgis man and the Mayor of Boston both have big mouths that they let run off.

Of course they cannot stop a business because of the views of it’s CEO. Not legally. There are other ways. They can make the inspections hard, they can make all kinds of trouble for a company through Fire inspections, building codes, sign codes, they can make their parking lots almost unable to get into, restrictions on parking. There are a thousand ways to attack Chick Fil A during and after construction, and these azzwipes are the type that will do it.

Looking at the picture #4 posted ,that guy is a fag. No wonder he is upset.


11 posted on 07/27/2012 12:16:47 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: sickoflibs

Doublethink, a word coined by George Orwell in the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, describes the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] It is related to, but distinct from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Its opposite is cognitive dissonance, where the two beliefs cause conflict in one’s mind. Doublethink is an integral concept of George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. The word doublethink is part of Newspeak.


12 posted on 07/27/2012 12:18:01 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: nickcarraway

Rahm won’t block any new Chick-Fil-As.

He’ll just make sure that they all fail every health inspection from now until Judgement Day (or until the Cubs win a World Series....whichever comes first)


13 posted on 07/27/2012 12:19:26 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nickcarraway

I just had lunch at Chick-fil-a.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 12:40:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

The deportation trucks should be around shortly to escort you out of the country for something so vile...


15 posted on 07/27/2012 12:46:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"... is practicing viewpoint discrimination"

This is just all sorts of rich irony coming from the ACLU, imo.

16 posted on 07/27/2012 12:53:38 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: G Larry

They just can’t catch most of these murderers, with no-snitch being de rigueur.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 12:59:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Venturer

Having blown their cover brazenly and publicly like this, the red tape runaround will be frowned upon in court after court. I wonder if luggbutts have made the both offers they could not refuse. And now that it’s bringing public opprobrium down on Hizzoners’ own heads, the luggbutts may be more subtle about this in the future. Still it’s rich how they tipped their hand. That won’t be lived down for a long time if ever. And it all looks bad for Democrats. (Mitt, you’d be smart to just keep your gay lovin’ mouth shut and let the Democrats self destruct here.)


18 posted on 07/27/2012 1:04:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Amazing how the death of morality and the death of freedom walk hand in hand. Those that push acceptance of homosexuality are also the ones who will eventually seek to rob us of out basic freedoms.

We have reason to worry these same types that would deny us our basic freedoms might also be willing to kill us. It's happened before ... it's the same type - the kind that force their ideas on everyone else. I hate liberal elites. I hate the New York Times.

19 posted on 07/27/2012 1:50:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (Political correctness is simply George Orwell's Newspeak by a non-threatening name. FR- Bernard Marx)
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To: aimhigh
Many anti-discrimination statutes include language similar to, " does not discriminate against or deny services to anyone on the basis of race, color, creed, . ."

Liberal elites don't mind discrimination when it's against the people THEY don't like... like traditional American Christians. They're the haters.

You're right - if rights mattered more than PC 'in' stuff - creed would be covered... and they should not discriminate against us based on our beliefs.

20 posted on 07/27/2012 2:03:52 PM PDT by GOPJ (Political correctness is simply George Orwell's Newspeak by a non-threatening name. FR- Bernard Marx)
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To: the anti-liberal
"... is practicing viewpoint discrimination"

This is just all sorts of rich irony coming from the ACLU, imo.

Furthermore, in case anyone is contemplating getting all happy about the ACLU, I went over to their site and found this on their blog:

Menino v. Chick-fil-A

Personally, I think this whole spat may be good for equal marriage rights in the long run. Did you see that politicians Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee are now trying to rally all homophobes to eat at Chick-fil-A?

I’m thrilled. In fact, I encourage all bigots to load up on transfats and carbohydrates. Go ahead – eat your heart out on the “Bacon, Egg, and Cheese Biscuit” breakfast! Mmmm.

Given that polls consistently show that support for equality under the law grows stronger with each new generation of Americans, this might just might be turn out to be a happy meal for defenders of equality after all.

No, the writer is not Julianne Malvaux.

What the world needs now is love, sweet love...

21 posted on 07/27/2012 2:18:40 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: nickcarraway

Even though they are occasionally correct, like a stopped clock, I would tell the ACLU where to shove their support.


22 posted on 07/27/2012 2:27:55 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: nickcarraway

Good for the ACLU. Right on this one, and deserve much credit.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 2:30:35 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: nickcarraway

Strange that I’ve not heard a word about demonstrations and confrontations with the Mosques of Boston and Chicago on muslim views on gay marriage.

I’ve googled and googled and find nothing from either mayor on the unacceptable views of Islam regarding gay marriage.

I’m sure they’ll stop issuing building permits for new construction of mosques soon.


24 posted on 07/27/2012 3:00:58 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: sickoflibs

the Chick Filet man was a person..stating his own opinion..plenty of people dont believe in gay marriage..I for one just think its all for politics. civil union gives them the legal rights they are wanting..


25 posted on 07/27/2012 4:46:36 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: blam

I tried to have lunch at Chik-fil-a today. The place was, simply, too packed to get in the door. Had to weave my way between cars that were lined up around the block. And once I got inside, the lobby was too full. I had to find somewhere else to eat.
Looks like this boycott is going to hurt them </sarcasm>


26 posted on 07/27/2012 7:25:32 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: nickcarraway

Homofascists like this moron and Mumbles Menino can not even read the US Constitution. Grasping it is inconceivable for these assholes.


27 posted on 07/27/2012 7:34:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: christx30

Our place was really crowded too.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 7:45:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: dalebert
RE :”the Chick Filet man was a person..stating his own opinion..plenty of people dont believe in gay marriage..I for one just think its all for politics. civil union gives them the legal rights they are wanting

Yep, that is a difference between their ‘corporations have no speech rights’ and this situation.

Try this one.

Libs believe that free speech only applies to speech that they consider civilized, which they define as opinions that agree with them.

So when Dems talk about an ‘open discussion’ or ‘honest debate’ they mean like on the Sharpton show where they all agree with each other.

29 posted on 07/27/2012 8:33:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t care about any of this stuff.

Where does Chick-fil-A stand on declawing cats???


30 posted on 07/28/2012 8:06:37 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: aimhigh

Having a pro-marriage “view” is a 1st Amendment right. Turning someone away at the Chick-Fill-A counter and not letting them ‘Eat-More-Chicken’ because they prefer to sleep with the opposite sex OR express that point of view, is an act of “discrimination”.


31 posted on 07/30/2012 9:17:28 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: aimhigh
Having a pro-marriage “view” is a 1st Amendment right. Turning someone away at the Chick-Fill-A counter and not letting them ‘Eat-More-Chicken’ because they prefer to sleep with the opposite 'same' sex OR express that point of view, is an act of “discrimination”.
32 posted on 07/30/2012 9:21:15 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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33 posted on 07/31/2012 11:56:39 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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It is all acedemic anyway, as Chick Fil A is making record profits from this fiasco : )


34 posted on 07/31/2012 12:07:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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It's not just Chick-fil-A. Where are the alternative chicken families? Can't an egg be laid by two hens or two roosters?


35 posted on 07/31/2012 12:55:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs
Where are the alternative chicken families? Can't an egg be laid by two hens or two roosters?

LOL, now I don't care who ya are, that's FUNNY!

I know of one dumb cluck in Chicago, but that's another story altogether, lol
36 posted on 07/31/2012 12:59:48 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: mkjessup; sickoflibs

” LOL, now I don’t care who ya are, that’s FUNNY!”

Yeah, that worked : )


37 posted on 07/31/2012 1:07:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Venturer

“Looking at the picture #4 posted “.... Lit up my Gaydar like a Christmas tree.


38 posted on 07/31/2012 1:09:20 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Yep: Mine too. Knocked the needle clear off the pin.


39 posted on 07/31/2012 6:49:36 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: sickoflibs
the irony of that pic and the anti-CHRISTian queers, who seem to be more inclined to have faith in evolution/darwinism...

just how many generations of buttpluggers does it take to extinct a species, if queerdom isnt a choice, but entirely biological ???

of course, that makes me an intolerant hater i reckon...

40 posted on 07/31/2012 8:08:45 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: nickcarraway

btt


41 posted on 08/01/2012 4:59:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; nickcarraway; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3

I’m loving this whole CFA Appreciation Day thing..

It’s a giant “collective” middle finger from America to the left...

Good job, Chick-Fil-A!!!


42 posted on 08/01/2012 6:02:53 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

You nailed it NFHale. I had a good time going down to my local CFA.

It’s hilarious to know this was a big middle finger to the Left. The people from PETA were out there too. People just chewed with their mouths open in approval. /s

The groups are joined at the hip. This was like a one stop thumb in their eye to all of them.


43 posted on 08/01/2012 6:07:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You know, seems to me that if tolerance and acceptance is what the deviants want they only thing they’d have to do to basically just live is - LIVE - and leave other people alone to mind their own business.

Acting like buttwipes, protesting, screaming, and generally just being a pain in the *sss (no pun intended) to folks is a sure fire way NOT to have people accept you. It’s like crying “RAYYYCIIISST!!!!” all the time - sooner or later, people will just say “Fine. So I’m a Racist. So what are YOU going to do about it...” You just get sick of hearing the same old crap from the same old people.

Personally, I’m sick of their whole agenda. It’s about time folks stood up to the leftards and their retarded subgroups.

This was a good day. I’m glad to see it happened on such a large scale.

Glenn Beck was ALL over this. Gotta hand it to the guy; he throws himself into the arena big time.


44 posted on 08/01/2012 7:42:13 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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