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US shooter 'was psychiatric patient' (James Holmes)
9 News ^ | 7/28/2012 | 9 news

Posted on 07/27/2012 7:12:30 PM PDT by RummyChick

The suspected Batman massacre gunman was seeing a psychiatrist specialising in schizophrenia before the attack that killed 12 in Colorado, court documents show.

The motion named Dr Lynn Fenton as defence lawyers sought to gain access to a package James Holmes had mailed to her prior the July 20 mass shooting, which also wounded 58 people.

Reports surfaced on Wednesday that Holmes - who recently dropped out of the University of Colorado - had sent a notebook to a university psychiatrist that included details and drawing of his plans to kill people.

There were conflicting reports about whether the package reached the school in time to potentially prevent the massacre, but officials remained tight-lipped due to a strict gag order imposed by the judge overseeing the case.

Judge William Sylvester unsealed some court filings on Friday after defence lawyers argued that Holmes' constitutional rights had been violated by the "breach of confidentiality and privilege" and sought "sanctions for this misconduct".

In a preview of likely battles to come, the defence lawyers also argued that the contents of the package should not be used as evidence because "Mr Holmes was a psychiatric patient of Dr Fenton, and his communications with her are protected".

Fenton teaches at the University of Colorado's medical school and heads student mental health services there in addition to conducting research into schizophrenia and other mental illnesses.

Prosecutors rebuffed the defence motion, arguing that news stories about the package contained significant factual errors and that there was no evidence the government was responsible for the leaks.

They also indicated that a FoxNews.com report that the package contained a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" was incorrect.

Reports that the police "are currently examining the contents of the box" are "untrue, as the contents were secured and not examined," prosecutors said.

Holmes, who was studying neuroscience in a doctoral program at the University of Colorado, Denver is expected to be formally charged at his next court hearing on Monday.

Sylvester ordered a hearing on the defence motions also be held on that day.

The alleged gunman gained access to the movie theatre in Aurora, Colorado outside Denver via a fire exit shortly after the screening of The Dark Knight Rises began and threw two canisters of noxious gas into the auditorium, witnesses said.

After firing one round directly into the air with a pump-action shotgun, he began shooting people at random with a military-style assault rifle capable of firing 50 to 60 rounds a minute.

Authorities say Holmes - who had dyed his hair a reddish orange - claimed he was The Joker, Batman's sworn enemy in the comic book series that inspired director Christopher Nolan's film trilogy, which features British-born actor Christian Bale as "the caped crusader".

He gave himself up outside the cinema, still clad in the body armour witnesses described the gunman wearing.

Authorities said Holmes booby-trapped his apartment with the aim of killing anyone who went outside, likely targeting police and first responders.

It was days before neighbours were allowed back in the three-story building.

Holmes, 24, is being held in solitary confinement at the Arapahoe County Detention Center and could face the death penalty if convicted, although Colorado has only executed one person since capital punishment was reinstated in 1976.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: auroraco; disorders; holmes; jamesholmes; lynnefenton; lynnfenton; psychiatry; schizophrenia
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1 posted on 07/27/2012 7:12:36 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

So, how did his pass the background firearm checks?


2 posted on 07/27/2012 7:14:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

So, how did he pass the background firearm purchase checks?


3 posted on 07/27/2012 7:15:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

So, first question, how were the contents secured but not examined ...yet they were leaked.

Should the notebook be inadmissible since it was sent to his Dr?

I think the answer is yes.


4 posted on 07/27/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
"Dr Fenton,"

String her up, along with Ward Churchill and the CU enablers.

5 posted on 07/27/2012 7:17:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

HIPPA. Health care workers can no longer report specific persons who wish to harm themselves or others to the police.


6 posted on 07/27/2012 7:17:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RummyChick

meds? is this by any chance a ritalin child?


7 posted on 07/27/2012 7:17:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: RummyChick

“In September 2004, Dr. Fenton received an admonition from Colorado’s board of medical examiners for prescribing medications — including the allergy medication Claritin, the sleeping pill Ambien, two tranquilizers and the narcotic painkiller Vicodin — for a few colleagues and her husband on several occasions, and failing to keep proper documentation of the prescriptions. The board noted in its admonition letter that Dr. Fenton was no longer writing prescriptions for people who were not her patients. “

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/us/colorado-suspect-was-getting-psychiatric-care.html


8 posted on 07/27/2012 7:18:57 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Gee. there’s a surprise.


9 posted on 07/27/2012 7:19:34 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Paladin2

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html

“...who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;”

Just seeing a shrink doesn’t lose one their rights. I suppose that will be changed now...


10 posted on 07/27/2012 7:23:23 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: RummyChick

He may not be a schizophrenic but assume that he is...how did he get a grant?

That guy in A Beautiful Mind was a paranoid schizophrenic


11 posted on 07/27/2012 7:23:40 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Spktyr

The BATFE Form needs to include a question as to being under the care of a Zzsychiatrist of Zzychologist. That would exclude most ‘rats.


12 posted on 07/27/2012 7:24:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: mrsmith
See #12.

(My bad.)

13 posted on 07/27/2012 7:25:20 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

it’s gonna look bad when they find out she was sleeping with him.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 7:27:41 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: RummyChick

As Zer0 has said (in the past with his Choom Gang) “Interception!”.


15 posted on 07/27/2012 7:27:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

And now we know what “sensible” gun control measures will come from this. They’ll tell us that guns should not be sold to anyone under the care of a psychiatrist or on anti-depressants or with a history of taking any mood-altering prescription drugs.

So, all those folks who got Ritalin as a child because of lazy parents and teachers will find themselves suddenly disarmed. Tell you doctor that you’ve been feeling sad lately, and you’ll get a knock on the door from the county Sheriff to take custody of your firearms.

They could probably disarm 25% of the country this way and Obamacare will give them easy access to your records. For your own safety, of course.


16 posted on 07/27/2012 7:28:05 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: the invisib1e hand

she’s married, at least in 2004.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 7:30:33 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Paladin2

I believe you have to have been involuntarily commited or judged incompetent by a court.


18 posted on 07/27/2012 7:31:23 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Bryanw92

Fenton was given grants to study schizophrenia.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 7:31:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Schizophrenia can be a vicious mental disease but as we have seen with Nancy Pelosi, schizophrenics can get high paying jobs, although at times it can be strange such as the time Nancy declared herself “The most powerful woman in the world” and demanded an Air force 1 jet of her own when she became Speaker.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 7:34:26 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: RummyChick
So anyone seeing a shrink should be prohibited from owning firearms?
21 posted on 07/27/2012 7:35:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Bryanw92

Stay away from ALL drugs and Doctors (especially those who inquire as to the extent of your (Constitutional) arsenal/armory).


22 posted on 07/27/2012 7:36:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

” Fenton is also a member of the campus-based “behavioral

assessment and threat assessment team,” which helps faculty and

staff deal with “individuals who may be threatening, disruptive

or otherwise problematic,” according to that group’s website.

It could not be ascertained if Fenton was caring for Holmes

under the threat-assessment program or under routine counseling

she provided to students on campus.”

http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/3-colorado-shooting-suspect-under-psychiatrists-care-011709809.html


23 posted on 07/27/2012 7:36:42 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Paladin2

Think a minute. That’s going too far, lots of peopel see shrinks for lots of reasons. That’s probably what will be proposed though.

This gets into the ‘preventive law’ and ‘thought crimes’ area real quick.
Don’t have any idea what if anything should be done myself.
Tend towards doing nothing.
Armed citizens won’t allow mass murderering anyway.


24 posted on 07/27/2012 7:37:10 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Shrinks turn out to be those pre-med candidates who are crazy. They can't help anyone but themselves.

I've seen it it at the early levels.

25 posted on 07/27/2012 7:38:13 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

Is it common for colleges to have “threat assessment teams”?


26 posted on 07/27/2012 7:38:38 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: mrsmith
See #25.

It's a mistake for any sane person to see a shrink.

27 posted on 07/27/2012 7:39:21 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: mrsmith

anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama is nuts. you’ve been adjudicated!

see how easy it is?


28 posted on 07/27/2012 7:46:44 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: RummyChick
I think Holmes wanted to make sure that the world knew that this "Doctor" was playing games with him...meds...plus possibly hypnosis.

I wrote very early on that the scenario described might be a possibility.

My bro had some terrible reactions to some of the sh** they gave him. He became hyper and violent and wound up in jail. They eventually dropped the charges based on the meds and a doctors report.

29 posted on 07/27/2012 7:47:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
You likely have a very strange life history - though you seem to have transcended same.

More power to you...

30 posted on 07/27/2012 7:52:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

Beware this article, FReepers.

Googling reveals Dr Lynn Fenton is an anesthetist in
Oregon, whereas Dr Lynne Fenton is the psychiatrist
in Aurora.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 7:53:03 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Spktyr
HIPPA. Health care workers can no longer report specific persons who wish to harm themselves or others to the police. I was in the field and retired in 2008. We had a Duty to Warn, if we thought a client was harmful to himself or others. I can't imagine the state changing this rule, since it began because a client murdered his ex girlfriend in California in 1976. I believe the case was State versus Tarasoff. A month or so before I retired, a client said he 'might as well be dead'. He said that often, but even so, I watched him closely. He bought a can of Pepsi from a machine, and I saw him pour it out, and I ran towards him. In an instant, he ripped the can in half, and acted like he was going to cut himself. I talked him out of the can, an then, called 911.
32 posted on 07/27/2012 7:53:48 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: TurboZamboni
"anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama is nuts"

A Second Term would put most of us in the reticule of the Zer0 BATFE (when they should really be focused on Hollywood).

33 posted on 07/27/2012 7:54:32 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RummyChick

Called it. This guy was a total schizo. He probably could feel it coming in undergrad and that’s why he studied neuroscience. Once he left the protective environment of his parents, boom.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 7:54:49 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Diogenesis

The story is real. It’s all over the internet.


35 posted on 07/27/2012 8:02:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

University of Colorado has made it harder to find Dr. Fenton

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ucdenver.edu%2Facademics%2Fcolleges%2Fmedicalschool%2Fdepartments%2Fpsychiatry%2FFaculty%2FPages%2FFenton%2C%2520Lynn.aspx&ei=BFYTUPabJszcqAHnp4C4Aw&usg=AFQjCNEqyJUldvFs5oAhEcj_LUuxNIxmIQ

http://www.ucdenver.edu/pages/ucdwelcomepage.aspx


36 posted on 07/27/2012 8:07:42 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Can’t find her page from this link either

http://www.ucdenver.edu/Search/Results.aspx?k=fenton


37 posted on 07/27/2012 8:09:00 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I think he has made elaborate preparations to establish grounds for an insanity defense well before he was ready to commit his crime. He made sure he had all the pieces in place before he embarked on his murderous escapade.

For months before, he was mentally collected enough to plan and carry out his mass murder.
And once he was done he made sure he wasn’t going to get shot by the police by taking a non-threatening position before police arrived at the scene of the crime.

He’s faking it!

I believe he is play acting when he acts comotose and unattentive. It is all part of his plan to carry out the murders and escape the ultimate punishment himself.


38 posted on 07/27/2012 8:14:45 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Iron Munro

Being a paranoid schizophrenic, hearing voices in your head, etc. doesn’t mean you are incapable of planning.

People want to believe it’s sane, then drooling and screaming in a straitjacket with nothing in-between, but it’s not true.


39 posted on 07/27/2012 8:20:05 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: RummyChick

Since when do folks in the US use British spellings.....I don’t know what a d-fence is except to tear down a wall. A defense om the pther hand is something I hope I never need ( but probably will depending on how the world situation goes)


40 posted on 07/27/2012 8:20:21 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: RummyChick
Dr Fenton:

She looks _____?

41 posted on 07/27/2012 8:20:59 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1284 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Jaidyn

Under HIPPA, yes, you have a Duty To Warn, but only if the patient names a specific person. And then you can’t tell anyone who the person making the threat is.

Cute, huh?


42 posted on 07/27/2012 8:23:04 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: null and void
She looks _____?

Like a squinting middle aged woman?

Spare me psychological and political analysis based on pictures...all the stuff that people claimed to see in Holmes' eyes based on the first picture of him was pure nonsense.

43 posted on 07/27/2012 8:24:17 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: RummyChick

That movie had nothing to do with the reality of what was Nash’s life. If you read the book you’ll see zero correlation b/w it and the movie. His delusions didn’t even start until he was older than 30.


44 posted on 07/27/2012 8:27:34 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Fast & Furious: Proof the Government should not have access to guns)
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To: RummyChick

We need to ban psychiatrists.


45 posted on 07/27/2012 8:28:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Iron Munro

I read a schizophrenic site talking about James Holmes.

Two interesting things.

One schizo said he was highly susceptible to subliminal programming.

Another poster said that the Unabomber was a classic untreated Schizo.

The Unabomber was experimented on by a Harvard Professor that had been working for the OSS. It happened during the MK Ultra Years.

You can act out a delusion but be partly aware that it is a delusion - and continue to act it out because you want it to be the truth.

The life of a Schizo.


46 posted on 07/27/2012 8:30:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nifster

Note the URL.


47 posted on 07/27/2012 8:31:09 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

The book claims that he cured himself (or something like that) without drugs.


48 posted on 07/27/2012 8:32:46 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

According to some of the stories I’ve read, Holmes told the police he’d taken Vicodin before the attack. I wonder where he got those from.


49 posted on 07/27/2012 8:33:19 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Spktyr
HIPPA. Health care workers can no longer report specific persons who wish to harm themselves or others to the police

That's not true. In many cases they are required to report, especially if there is a threat to a minor child.

50 posted on 07/27/2012 8:33:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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