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Bowing low to the People of the Gun (pathetic barf alert)
suntimes.com ^ | 29 July, 2012 | LAURA WASHINGTON

Posted on 07/30/2012 7:04:26 AM PDT by marktwain

A semiautomatic assault rifle, anyone? How about a few thousand rounds of ammo? On July 20, those weapons of choice killed 12 innocents at the Century 16 Theatre in Aurora, Colo.

The shooter legally bought an AR-15 assault rifle, three other guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition, according to police. In America, acquiring a lethal assault rifle is almost as easy as picking up a buttered popcorn at the movies.

The communities of Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University and Chicago’s South and West sides know that.

The families of thousands of murdered and injured souls get it. All those left behind, forever transformed, see it.

Why don’t our politicians?

The minute the grim news blasted out of Colorado, our “leaders” started scrambling, running away from the message seared into every lethal bullet — these guns must go.

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U.S. murders 13,636. Hands and feet: 801. Assualt Rifles: less than 348.

So, because this particular type of gun, which any rational person would admit is amoung the most Constitutionaly protected because of its suitablility for militia use, must be banned because they are extremely rarely used to commit murder.

The "progressives" are superbly adept at lying to themselves.

1 posted on 07/30/2012 7:04:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
An AR15 looks like an Assault rifle but it is not one. It can not be made into full auto. We must bow to the tyranny of the minority. Someone got fat so we must ban what ever junk science a person in power subscribes to. Someone might get their feeling hurt so the majority must suffer. Liberals love to stick their finger of selfrichousness into the eye of the majority.
2 posted on 07/30/2012 7:11:47 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: marktwain

We private 2nd Amendment advocates, NRA, GOA, etal had better be ready to push back because this Aurora, CO incident and Scalia’s comments are going to precipitate the biggest, most extreme push by the left for gun/ammo control/confiscation that we’ve seen. We’ve got to fight back.


3 posted on 07/30/2012 7:12:36 AM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: marktwain

Automotive deaths: 33,000.
Nobody complains.


4 posted on 07/30/2012 7:15:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: marktwain

We must not forget, it is 13 lives. Didn’t 24 of Holder’s people kill each other in Chicago that day as well?


5 posted on 07/30/2012 7:22:07 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Ingtar
Didn’t 24 of Holder’s people kill each other in Chicago that day as well?

I suspect it was actually 24 killed "and wounded". I don't think the Chicago Civil War has gotten that intense. Yet.

But there was a 12-hour period at about that time that had 5 killed.

6 posted on 07/30/2012 7:25:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
I own a so called assault rifle. It is semiautomatic, clip fed, although I do not have any large capacity clips. One shot, one kill, I don't see a need for one. The main reason it is classified as a so called assault rifle is that it has a fixed bayonet. To the moron who wrote the article.... a “fixed” bayonet is a large knife that is physically affixed to the rifle. So THIS rifle is considered REALLY, REALLY dangerous because it is also a KNIFE!!!

Idiots who know NOTHING about guns should not write articles about them.

7 posted on 07/30/2012 7:26:37 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: marktwain
A photo of the assault columnist


8 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:04 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion, cigars and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: mountainlion

Yes, they ARE self-righteous bastards, huh?


9 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:04 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: marktwain

Somebody inform this idiot that most of the Aurora victims were hit with BUCKSHOT, FROM A SHOTGUN!!!!


10 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:34 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: marktwain

I’m not insulted. Better a “Person of the Gun” than a “Slave of the State”.


11 posted on 07/30/2012 7:33:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: G Larry

>> Somebody inform this idiot that most of the Aurora victims were hit with BUCKSHOT, FROM A SHOTGUN!!!!

Is that so? First time I’ve heard that. It makes some sense though.


12 posted on 07/30/2012 7:35:20 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: marktwain
"In America, acquiring a lethal assault rifle is almost as easy as picking up a buttered popcorn at the movies."

Well...they do cost about the same.

13 posted on 07/30/2012 7:40:46 AM PDT by JustCallMeFrank
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To: faucetman
When you say Idiots who NOTHING about guns should not write articles about them.

That Should include you, sorry if I sound harsh but you have a magazine fed Semi-Automatic rifle. I get so tired of people who think they are gun people replace the word clip for a magazine... Clips help you load magazines!! Sorry about the rant but I doesn't help the the Cause if you can't properly name the parts of a weapon. I'll not be replying if you chose to send back a negative reply.

14 posted on 07/30/2012 7:45:10 AM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: marktwain
The communities of Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University and Chicago’s South and West sides know that.

And, which of these are "Gun Free Zones?"

ALL OF THEM!

15 posted on 07/30/2012 7:50:45 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: G Larry
Somebody inform this idiot that most of the Aurora victims were hit with BUCKSHOT, FROM A SHOTGUN!

Somebody inform this idiot that most of the gun crimes are black-on-black.

How about if you even look like a gang-banger, you will be subject to close scrutiny, harassment and frequent searches.

16 posted on 07/30/2012 7:52:59 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: LooneyTick

What if his rifle is an M1?


17 posted on 07/30/2012 7:57:47 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: marktwain

Behind the scenes to this anti gun reaction is the US Pharmaceutics industry. What all these shooters share is they all are on psychotropic drugs. Anti depression drugs as well as behavioral controlling drugs are common amongst all these shooters. No drug is fully tested, and when used in a large population, someone among them will react adversely to it. Holmes was treated with drugs for behavioral issues and he had a bad reaction and became violent. Eliminating guns will not stop the homicidal act by these drugged up individuals. If they don’t kill massively they simply stalk the streets and killing their victims one by one in a serial manner. The terror will not be in hours but in weeks over a wide area. Problem is perscription drugs, not guns. Look carefully and you will see big Pharma is also funding and lobbying gun control to take the attention off their violence inducing drugs.


18 posted on 07/30/2012 8:00:59 AM PDT by Fee
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To: marktwain
In America, acquiring a lethal assault rifle is almost as easy as picking up a buttered popcorn at the movies.

Other than the Federal background check. And aren't all firearms lethal?

What a stupendously idiotic statement. It sets the tone for the entire article.

19 posted on 07/30/2012 8:02:22 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

“semiautomatic assault rifle”: contradiction in terms, much like the phrase “thinking liberal”


20 posted on 07/30/2012 8:05:25 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marktwain
Interesting article

As has been pointed out an AR-15 clone is not an assault rifle, it is a semi-automatic.

Second, maybe the author is right, maybe popcorn at the movie theater should require a national background instant check to purchase. I mean about 2/3rds of the US adult population is either overweight or obese and with a national health care plan that means that their medical expenses are public taxpayer expenses. So, yes, lets require everyone who buys movie popcorn to go through an instant background check to find out if they have been exercising, if they are overweight and/or if they have any medical conditions that would not be helped by a large helping of buttered popcorn. (/sarcasm)

Seriously, the right to keep and bear arms is a God given right that our US Constitution (and several State Constitutions) affirms.

21 posted on 07/30/2012 8:05:31 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: marktwain

Just had a little shootout in the Heart of Texas (Brownwood)

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2012/jul/29/just-3-dead-brown-county-shooting-afternooon/


22 posted on 07/30/2012 8:05:36 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: NRA1995

Is that a man?


23 posted on 07/30/2012 8:10:39 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: faucetman
If you think I'm quibbling, tell me there's no difference between a lightning bug or a bolt of lightning landing on your head. We're trying to educate the public on the definition of an "assault weapon" (a weapon capable of fully automatic fire), so words matter.
24 posted on 07/30/2012 8:13:12 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: tumblindice

Brilliant.


25 posted on 07/30/2012 8:16:57 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: WakeUpAndVote
Is that a man?

(Quoting a Johhny Cash tune:) "I tell ya, life ain't easy for a man named Laura"

26 posted on 07/30/2012 8:17:58 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion, cigars and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: marktwain
The communities of Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University and Chicago’s South and West sides know that.

Hand guns and shot guns were featured at those grim spectacles. Not that a little detail like that should sidetrack a good screed.

U.S. murders 13,636.

Wonder what the demographic breakdown is for that?

27 posted on 07/30/2012 8:21:15 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: LooneyTick; faucetman
Like it or not, clip and magazine have been used interchangeably for at least 50 years. Yes, lots of people are wrong, get over it.

For practical purposes it is a difference with rare distinction. Very few people carry weapons that take stripper clips. I liken it to people who use “effect” when “affect” is correct. Yes they are wrong, but not a single person was confused about their meaning.

I'm an avid gun collector, shooter, and military firearms historian. I have guns that take en bloc clips, clips, removable magazines, and clips & removable magazines. I find it possible to know details about firearms and not get my panties in a bunch when others confuse them.

I suggest that you calm down and focus on getting upset about things that matter, and try not to be a nomenclature nazi. People don't need to know what a piston ring is to have a valid opinion concerning the speed limit.

28 posted on 07/30/2012 8:23:52 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain
The "progressives" are superbly adept at lying to themselves.

Indeed. "progressives" are and liberalism is a mental disease.

FMCDH(BITS)

29 posted on 07/30/2012 8:25:13 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: going hot

It’s still magazine fed!!

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearm-accessories/m1-carbine-parts/m1-carbine-magazines


30 posted on 07/30/2012 8:26:45 AM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: LooneyTick

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearm-accessories/m1-garand


31 posted on 07/30/2012 8:29:45 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: LooneyTick

Ought to stop digging.


32 posted on 07/30/2012 8:31:45 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: SampleMan

In America, acquiring a lethal assault rifle is almost as easy as picking up a buttered popcorn at the movies. Other than the Federal background check. And aren’t all firearms lethal? What a stupendously idiotic statement. It sets the tone for the entire article.


I wonder if anyone has noted that the 5.56 nato round isn’t exactly known as a man killer. Its primary criticism is lack of lethality. That’s why they dusted off old m-14 for iraq.


33 posted on 07/30/2012 8:32:48 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan

“I wonder if anyone has noted that the 5.56 nato round isn’t exactly known as a man killer. Its primary criticism is lack of lethality. That’s why they dusted off old m-14 for iraq.”

Really? Then tell that to all those dead bad guys from it. The M-14 was dusted off due to needing longer range shots. Guess what? They went back to the AR-15 platform and created the SPR shooting a heavier bullet. It works wonders for longer range and the bullet it shoots works even better in the M4 for very short ranges.


34 posted on 07/30/2012 8:44:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: ctdonath2

Automotive deaths: 33,000.
Nobody complains.
______________________________

“Doctors Kill more People than Guns”

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/tabor010405.htm


35 posted on 07/30/2012 8:44:54 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: going hot
Yep clips hold cartridges that are loaded into the magazine, they even have clips for AR’s also, they help load the magazine. Even a revolver can have a clip. GEEZ

Correct Nomenclature keeps you from running laps.
This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun. Have a great day.

36 posted on 07/30/2012 8:49:10 AM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: marktwain
those weapons of choice killed 12 innocents

BZZZZT! Wrong. The weapons didn't kill anyone, but someone USED THEM to kill. Huge difference.

Thanks for playing.

Next!

37 posted on 07/30/2012 8:56:29 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: LooneyTick; All
Looney, I tried,

Gentlemen, and ladies of the jury, I rest my case.

38 posted on 07/30/2012 9:03:38 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: LevinFan

Yep. Interesting that the weapon that most Leftists claim is the only “reasonable” gun to own, a shotgun, is far more deadly in a mass homicide scenario than an AR-15.

Grandad’s old 37 Ithaca 12 ga holds 45 00 buckshot pellets, which can be discharged in under five seconds.

Try getting 45 rounds out of an AR-15 in 5 seconds.


39 posted on 07/30/2012 9:05:50 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Evidence is clear the shotgun was used first.

Dependng on whether he used #0 or #1 buckshot, each round contained between 12 & 16 shot.

May have had between 5 and 8 rounds, without reloading.

5X12=60
8X16=128

AR-15 drum feed jammed early and he switched to the Glock.


40 posted on 07/30/2012 9:13:09 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: SampleMan
If you hold the stock tight under the arm, and use the right hand to hold the pistol grip, finger out of trigger guard, the left hand's index finger in the trigger guard, moved rapidly back and forth, a 20 round mag can be emptied very quick.

Not so good for hitting anything smaller than the side of the building.

LOL

41 posted on 07/30/2012 9:16:24 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: faucetman

You mean it has a mounting place that allows a bayonet to be fixed, don’t you? Cuz it sounded like it has a bayonet attached that you can’t take off, and my cousin’s AR-15 didn’it.


42 posted on 07/30/2012 9:21:09 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: going hot
Yes, bump fire, but even in full auto I don't think someone can get off 45 rounds faster than I can get 5 out of a pump shotgun.

Of course, a semi-auto shotgun can also be bump fired.

It always comes down to intent. There are no end of lethal ways of murdering lots of people in a packed space, such as a few gallons of gasoline at the exits.

We are lucky in a sense, that most crazy people act crazy, and not logical.

43 posted on 07/30/2012 9:24:22 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
We are lucky in a sense, that most crazy people act crazy, and not logical.

The logical ones are truly dangerous!

They are prone to use planes, and gas in subways, and stuff.

44 posted on 07/30/2012 9:27:25 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: CodeToad

I’m only telling your what I’m hearing. Time and again I’ve heard of soldiers and military arms enthusiasts complain about lethality.

From what I understand, the wounding nature of the round is seen as an asset in some circles. That the theory is that a dead soldier costs nothing, but a wounded enemy requires two to carry him to aid and the medical resources to health him.

Personally, I’d rather make sure I don’t have to put the same man down twice.


45 posted on 07/30/2012 9:27:39 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: MileHi

The demographics are not easily discerned.

We know that half are committed by and against black people.

I have read that when “Hispanics” (whatever that means) are victims, they are counted as “Hispanic” but when they are perpetrators they are counted as “white”.

When Japanese Americans were kept as a separate category, Japanese in America had homicide rates lower than Japanese in Japan, which has very low rates indeed.

Murder is fundamentally cultural, and the rates of homicide are not changed very much by access to weapons.


46 posted on 07/30/2012 9:30:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; All

Bowing low to the people of the gun is much preferred to bowing low to the Saudi king.


47 posted on 07/30/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

In a crowded theatre the shotgun would have been the more lethal weapon.


48 posted on 07/30/2012 9:35:12 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: marktwain
Machetes have been used to kill hundreds of thousands in Africa. Even when they have guns available, they seem to prefer hacking.
49 posted on 07/30/2012 9:38:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

It always comes down to intent. There are no end of lethal ways of murdering lots of people in a packed space, such as a few gallons of gasoline at the exits. We are lucky in a sense, that most crazy people act crazy, and not logical.


He could have brought in, amonia bottles and chlorine. Can your say mustard gas? He could have brought in a bunch of molotov cocktails. Or he could have rigged a pump to a gas tank and made a flamethrower. Imaging the body count that would have produced. Or he could have used a bomb.
I can’t think of this stuff all day long, while libs only think a gun can’t kill.


50 posted on 07/30/2012 9:44:45 AM PDT by LevinFan
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