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Burn Down the Suburbs?
National Review Online ^ | August 1, 2012 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:02:25 AM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 08/01/2012 11:02:28 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This tyrant must be defeated.


2 posted on 08/01/2012 11:04:25 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: neverdem

UN Agenda 21


3 posted on 08/01/2012 11:04:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: neverdem

AND...control the water in the southwest:

snip-”This is an unprecedented legal claim to water.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/it-begins-federal-government-sues-to-gain-control-of-southern-states-water-supply/

(air will be next.)


4 posted on 08/01/2012 11:06:43 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: neverdem

This is where the soccer moms will be a force for good, they will revolt against this idea.


5 posted on 08/01/2012 11:11:13 AM PDT by Fair Paul
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To: Nachum; steelyourfaith

For your respective lists.


6 posted on 08/01/2012 11:11:50 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: neverdem

Where has this scenario played out before? Obama and his lackies should have waited for at least another generation. There’s still too many people around who remember the bad old days of the soviet union. The crap obama is spewing sounds like it just came out of the kremlin. Sorry obama, there may be a lot of ignorant people in this country, but there’s not quite enough for what you may be planning.


7 posted on 08/01/2012 11:12:47 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Mortrey
(air will be next.)

Hmmm?

Next?

What exactly do you think carbon "credits" are being sold for?

8 posted on 08/01/2012 11:14:51 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1289 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Fair Paul

Exactly, and Obama and his ilk have another foe that won’t be so easy to control - technology. More people are able to telecommute now and are free to pick up and move to wherever they want to live.

In some ways, it’s a good thing that government is so incompetent. It can’t enforce it’s own schemes. As P.J. O’Rourke said, even if government had a camera in every room in your house, at least half of them wouldn’t be working. ;-)


9 posted on 08/01/2012 11:14:59 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: neverdem

“by discouraging driving with a blizzard of taxes, fees, and regulations.”

Georgia’s TSPLOST tax was to do exactly that, sucking another 1% to persuade residents into metro areas.
It was subjected to a vote.
It was crushed by nearly 2 to 1.

We can say “NO”.


10 posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: hoosiermama

Ping.

There are some Chicago orgs mentioned in the article.


11 posted on 08/01/2012 11:19:31 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: neverdem
The goal: income equalization via a massive redistribution of suburban tax money to the cities.

Isn't the main source of funding for ObamaCare a massive redistribution of money from the young to those aged 40-65? I sense a theme. All our money is theirs to spread around at will . . . so that everyone "benefits" as the socialists define that word.

12 posted on 08/01/2012 11:20:32 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

How about burning Washington instead?


13 posted on 08/01/2012 11:21:37 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: neverdem

To see the effects of such a scheme, one only has to look at the Kansas City Metropolitan area. Under the terms of a Federal school integration case, the Kansas City School district was put under the control of a federal judge for something like 20 or 30 years. He had full control, to include the ability to raise taxes in suburban counties surrounding Kansas City. He used this authority to raise the taxes in surrounding counties and used the money to spend lavishly on Kansas City Schools with no improvement in educational attainment.

His authority, however, did not extend to suburban counties in Kansas, some of which were literally right across the street from KC MO. Their taxes were not raised and their tax dollars were no poured into the KC money pit. Those counties grew and thrived, Missouri counties declined. People voted with their feet and the net result was economic decline on the Missouri side and growth and prosperity on the Kansas side (except for KC MO’s lttle urban twin, KC, KS.)

Where this scheme is implemented, suburbs will immediately start to decline. Rural areas outside whatever new boundaries are drawn will spring to life with growth as people flee from this oppressive black hole.


14 posted on 08/01/2012 11:22:09 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Not to worry - 0bama’s Rural Pacification program will deal with us pesky rural bitter clingers:

Drone overflights, declaring things like dust and milk as EPA-regulated ‘pollutants,’ control and cutoff of water...

You get the picture.


15 posted on 08/01/2012 11:26:00 AM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: neverdem
Ubama is just following Agenda 21.

The goal of United Nation's Agenda 21 is to zone private property out of existence and herd all non-essential humanoids into high-rise containment facilities where they can be inventoried and tracked more easily until the time for the Final Solution arrives.

16 posted on 08/01/2012 11:28:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the collectivists.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Exactly, and Obama and his ilk have another foe that won’t be so easy to control - technology.

Aha, but guess what? The ilk have an answer for technology, and that is called electricity. When they have shut down all the coal plants and torn down the dams, and opened all the wind and solar farms, there will be shortages, and they will be forced to dictate where the electricity goes. Smart meters, ever heard of them? They will be used to ration electricity. They can turn you on and off at a whim. Welcome to India, my friends.

17 posted on 08/01/2012 11:33:10 AM PDT by webheart (King of the Run-On Sentence)
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To: neverdem

The liberals' idea of a sustainable community. Bet you bet your sweet #ss Higher People's Party members won't be living there.

18 posted on 08/01/2012 11:35:31 AM PDT by oyez ( .Apparently The U.S. CONSTITUTION has been reduced to the consistency of quicksand.)
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To: webheart

Aww, why did you have to rain on my parade? ;-)

I refuse to give up hope. I think people will always find a way around the dinosaurs in government. It may not be easy, but it will be done.


19 posted on 08/01/2012 11:36:55 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Signalman

“This tyrant must be defeated.”

ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY.


20 posted on 08/01/2012 11:39:35 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: oyez

Is that Pruitt or Cabrini?


21 posted on 08/01/2012 11:40:59 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: oyez

Is that photo of government housing in Memphis today or Volgograd in 1980? I can’t tell the difference.


22 posted on 08/01/2012 11:41:57 AM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: Mortrey

Water rights have been the cause of many range wars for hundreds of years. This is just the latest.

For those who don’t know, in the West and Southwest, if you own the land, you don’t own the water. Saving rain water in the old days would get you killed by the guy renting the government land for grazing. Now it gets you sued.


23 posted on 08/01/2012 11:46:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The goal of United Nation's Agenda 21 is to zone private property out of existence and herd all non-essential humanoids into high-rise containment facilities where they can be inventoried and tracked more easily until the time for the Final Solution arrives.

Over my dead body.

Three Percenter

Oath Keeper

24 posted on 08/01/2012 11:48:02 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Thanks Army Air Corps

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


25 posted on 08/01/2012 11:52:47 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: henkster; Melas
That was Pruitt–Igoe, a large urban(human warehouse) housing project first occupied in 1954 and dynamited in the mid 1970’s.

It is a well documented government failure. Today's libs are itching to try it all over again. If it happens again, ther will be a logical conclusion to the creation.


26 posted on 08/01/2012 11:55:34 AM PDT by oyez ( .Apparently The U.S. CONSTITUTION has been reduced to the consistency of quicksand.)
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To: neverdem

In a speech December 1929 Stalin said: “We have passed from a policy of confining the exploiting tendencies of the Kulaks to a policy of liquidation of the Kulaks as a class”


27 posted on 08/01/2012 11:58:57 AM PDT by Argus
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To: neverdem
To this end, the president has already put programs in place designed to push the country toward a sweeping social transformation in a possible second term.

The hell he did, it was George Herbert Walker BUSH who signed the Agenda 21, on Prince Charles' yacht off the coast of Rio in 1992.

28 posted on 08/01/2012 12:05:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Noumenon

Just wait until they send city dwellers to “help harvest the crops”. I’m sure Pol Pot’s notes are on Obama’s “To-Do” list.

/sarc ....maybe

This guy is beginning to look like Mickey Mouse in “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” portion of “Fantasia”.


29 posted on 08/01/2012 12:12:13 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: oyez

Those hell-holes still exist on the south side of Chicago. And probably in every other major American city, too. I cannot imagine what life inside is like.

And from what I’ve seen of the old USSR, most of the urban population was herded into them, too.

Human warehouse? More like a stockyard, if you ask me. And the elites don’t look at us any different than cattle.


30 posted on 08/01/2012 12:13:11 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: Army Air Corps

ty


31 posted on 08/01/2012 12:14:34 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: neverdem

How East German of him.


32 posted on 08/01/2012 12:20:10 PM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: SVTCobra03
Over my dead body.

That's the general idea.

33 posted on 08/01/2012 12:41:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the collectivists.)
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To: factoryrat

They cannot wait....they simply must do it all now.

They have to finish off independent once and for all, lest those dangerous kulak’s spread ant-revolutionary ideas amongst the lumpen-proletariat.


34 posted on 08/01/2012 12:46:25 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: neverdem; All

I have noticed in the last 2-3 years that in the immediate Houston (Harris County) area that apartment building constructions has boomed...And in areas that are not yet accessable to grocery stores, mass transit, bus stops/parking (car pool) areas...But those facilities/services are catching up...

At the same time those transient housing facilities are increasing the crime where they are being installed...Both serious and petty criminal activity...That absolutely does extend to the nieghboring suburban (established nieghborhoods)...

So their plan IS working to get people out of the single dwelling units into the transient, crime ridden facilities popping up more and more often in recent history...

The bottom line to a more government controlled and government dependent populace...

So that eventually the absolute failure of the sub-prime lending debacle can be written off and the single family dwelling units can be manipulated for any foreseeable political crisis or politically deflective need...

Just my opinion...


35 posted on 08/01/2012 12:52:38 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: neverdem

This redistribution agenda is the real reason for the American Community Survey.
Why else do you think they want to knew how far you drive to work and how many toilets your home has?
Remember Dr. Zhivago, where his home was confiscated and then used to house a dozen or more people?
These people plan to move you to within walking or biking distance of your job and force you into minimal housing. All in the name of fairness, of course.


36 posted on 08/01/2012 1:03:13 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The only GOP candidate who promised to revoke US participation in or any support for Agenda 21 was Gingrich. I don’t think Romney has even mentioned it, but I doubt that it bothers him much.


37 posted on 08/01/2012 1:03:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: neverdem
Nothing in this is based upon a reasoned approach to human needs or problems. All of this reflects a compulsion to level; a neurotic need to pretend that people are interchangeable, and that those who succeed have somehow wronged those who fail.

Of course, since Egalitarian Collectivism Sabotages Human Potential. this sort of effort to redistribute the fruits of productive people's labor will only cause more failure.

There can be no middle ground with those who advocate insane programs, premised not on reality, but on envy and resentment. We have to better perfect our arguments, to make certain that no one with any intelligence sees Obama as anything other than he really is.

William Flax

38 posted on 08/01/2012 1:05:17 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: neverdem

Obama’s war on energy is the lever for this agenda. Make it too expensive to drive and too expensive to heat and cool a large home, and you force the middle class back into the cities.


39 posted on 08/01/2012 1:09:41 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: BwanaNdege

If he were as harmless as Mickey Mouse, this might be entertaining. But coming along with Fauxcahontas’ (Elizabeth Warren’s) ads praising the Chinese “infrastructure building,” which means roads built by slave and prisoner labor, where people even had to make gravel by using hammers to chip boulders into tiny stones, I’d say they’re planning something. It’s going to be their own special way of celebrating after Dear Leader gets “elected” again.


40 posted on 08/01/2012 1:11:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: Noumenon

I was just about to “ping” you to that post ... turns out it’s not necessary.


41 posted on 08/01/2012 1:12:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Melas

From the file name, looks like Pruitt.


42 posted on 08/01/2012 1:15:39 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: livius
The only GOP candidate who promised to revoke US participation in or any support for Agenda 21 was Gingrich.

Which is not to say that he would have ended Federal support for all of its tenets, which, from what I know of Newtie's record on environmental issues, is unlikely.

44 posted on 08/01/2012 1:17:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Post 43, by me, is in error.

My apologies to the forum.

45 posted on 08/01/2012 1:18:51 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

I think so. He actually revised his view on a lot of the so-called environmental issues after he seriously started running for president and examined the issues.

Anybody know what Romney (who is a statist at heart) thinks about Agenda 21?


46 posted on 08/01/2012 1:20:23 PM PDT by livius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Over their dead bodies.

That's a better idea.

47 posted on 08/01/2012 1:30:08 PM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: stevie_d_64

I actually love cities, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with apartment living, and I wouldn’t want to live in a suburb. But that’s my personal choice, and I don’t know why it enrages Obama so that some people prefer suburban living.

The problem with these apartment buildings near you is not necessarily that they’re apartments but that they are being pushed on the neighborhood by the government and the government is picking their tenants. The government has destroyed many city neighborhoods by doing exactly this same thing.

Of course, the government officials in question, ranging from Obama to judge Leonard Sands of New York, don’t live in either suburbs or cities: they live in mansions and gated communities, like Party leaders in any Marxist country.


48 posted on 08/01/2012 1:31:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: Argus
That needs to be shouted:

In a speech December 1929 Stalin said: “We have passed from a policy of confining the exploiting tendencies of the Kulaks to a policy of liquidation of the Kulaks as a class”

*We* are the Kulaks. 0bama is Stalin.

49 posted on 08/01/2012 1:41:36 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: livius

Bingo!!!


50 posted on 08/01/2012 2:21:40 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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