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Polling and Conspiracy (from a non-conspiracy guy)
self | 8/3/2012 | LS

Posted on 08/03/2012 6:28:31 AM PDT by LS

As anyone on FreeRepublic will tell you, I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, and usually find common sense explanations for why things happen. Usually, history shows these are right. However, some things have happened recently that have me looking outside “common sense.”

1) Polling, except for Rasmussen and occasionally Gallup, has been wildly and utterly in the tank for Obama. Quinnipiac, one of the worst, came out today with a 9-point Obama lead (he’s at 50) using a +19 (!!!!) Dem sample. In an accurate sample, Romney wins by 1-2. This comes after the CBS poll last week with a +11 Dem sample. RCP shows that the average oversample of Dems is +6---all of which points to a convincing Romney victory, bordering on landslide. (I don’t think Romney can get above about 320 barring a miracle because of NY, CA, IL, and PA.) 2) Are these people dolts? Amateurs? Incompetent? I don’t think so. They’ve all been at it too long. 3) It could be, as my wife says, that they’ve really drunk the KoolAide and now are subconsciously manufacturing stuff without realizing it. Possible, but I think one of two other scenarios is in play:

I think they know Zero is going to lose, and lose convincingly. The state votes will be close, but uniformly against him. So, we have three possibilities, one of which WND came out with today.

*Knowing Zero is going to lose, they are jimmying results to prevent a GOP supermajority in the senate. This is plausible, but unlikely. Senate races don’t usually turn on coattails, let alone someone as weak as Romney. Most senate races are still somewhat local.

*Rather, I think what is really happening is this: knowing Zero is going to lose, the pollsters---fully in bed with the Dems now---are already setting the stage to delegitimize a Romney presidency. This is much as they tried to do with “Bush was Selected, not Elected!” They will say, on Nov. 7, “See, the election was STOLEN! Look at what a big lead Obama had in the polls, then look at what the GOP did!”

*the ugly possible facet of this is that they are deliberately setting the stage for race riots/leftist demonstrations that might in some conceivable universe permit Obama to declare martial law and somehow stay in office. This one is remote, but with this tyrant, you can’t rule it out. I go with “delegitimizing Romney.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: election; obama; polls; romney
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1 posted on 08/03/2012 6:28:38 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............


2 posted on 08/03/2012 6:33:09 AM PDT by Flintlock (-THE TRUTH--It's the NEW hate speech.)
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To: LS

Or, possibly, being liberals, they can’t believe in reality, so create their own version of it.


3 posted on 08/03/2012 6:33:38 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (will do graphics for food...)
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To: LS
setting the stage for race riots/leftist demonstrations

That would be the news media's favorite scenario...all that coverage would feed into their pocketbook.

4 posted on 08/03/2012 6:34:53 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: LS

If Obama looses the WILL be race riots stretching out over the next for years.

The black flash mobs and the back on white violence we are seeing is the result of a new attitude among many blacks fueled by signals from Obama himself.

These animals are incapable of reason and see violence as payback.


5 posted on 08/03/2012 6:40:00 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: LS

Their motive may be as simple as an attempt to suppress the turnout and support for Mittens?


6 posted on 08/03/2012 6:40:08 AM PDT by Kahuna
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To: LS

I used to work part-time at t survey research center.
The surveys were NOT unbiased.

There was no possible way for a Conservative to respond to any of the questions without sounding like a Liberal. PERIOD

I don’t trust ANY pols at all.

That said, the MSM have their neck in the noose right along with their hero. They will do and say absolutely ANYTHING to save themselves and HIM!

That this ‘administration’ is in active collusion with the MSM, goes without saying.


7 posted on 08/03/2012 6:42:50 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: LS

Point 3 is not “remote”.

The barbarians on the other end of the BlackBerry hate freedom, hate Western Civilization, hate this country with a burning white-hot passion.

They want to rule, to rule undisputedly, to put a boot on the face of humanity forever.

They will not go away over something as trivial as an election.


8 posted on 08/03/2012 6:43:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LS

Maybe these polls reflect some of the $15 million that the Obama campaign has spent on ‘polling’.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-has-spent-15-million-polling_648888.html

For a cool $1 million they can probably get some of these polling outfits to provide whatever oversampling is needed to keep him in the lead.


9 posted on 08/03/2012 6:43:50 AM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: LS
They've started polling the dead voters.
10 posted on 08/03/2012 6:47:35 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: LS; mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
Nano Black Helicopters

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you need to threaten to report me to the Admin if I don’t add you to the list...

11 posted on 08/03/2012 6:49:19 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1291 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Kahuna

I would crawl over glass to vote against barry


12 posted on 08/03/2012 6:53:35 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; LS; DuncanWaring

Point #3 is also the one I see them reaching for. Why?

1. It does the most damage, long-term damage that is to America. Race relations would be set back decades at the least.

2. It also sets the Takers against the Taken-From aka (Taxpayers).

3. It would bring in massive amounts of revenue for the MSM.

4. The crackdown by the Government would be felt the most in the long-term by the Law abiding. The Criminal aka Law-breaking class could give a rip. They’ll break whatever laws they feel like. Experience has shown that they will only have to pay a little bit if at all for their deeds. And one of the excuses will be that the prisons are over-crowded.


13 posted on 08/03/2012 6:55:54 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: LS

I was actually going to post a vanity poll here this weekend with a handful of possible explanations, among which was either,

a) Prepping the country to accept a rigged/corrupt/stolen election.

b) Prepping Holder’s people for civil unrest post-election.

c) Inoculating against citizen rage when Obama cancels elections after a false flag operation results in martial law.

Less malevolent options include the usual:

d) Creating false momentum to boost turnout.

e) Discouraging conservative turnout.

f) Force of habitual/compulsive media dishonesty.

Feel free to simply vote here and now.


14 posted on 08/03/2012 6:57:16 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: LS

I think they are adhering to the tired old “push-poll” theory, trying to make conservatives give up and stay home, “since Obama is so far ahead.”

It’s a useless and worn out strategy, but the only one left in the MSM playbook.

Yes, they will attempt to paint a Romney win as a “stolen election,” but I don’t think that’s a conscious part of their strategy at this point. Ditto riots, at this point 3 months out.

Mis dos centavos.


15 posted on 08/03/2012 7:00:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: LS
There is a fourth scenario: the doctored polls will be used to explain an Obama electoral victory obtained by voter and/or vote-counting fraud. Almost anything is possible, in my opinion....
16 posted on 08/03/2012 7:05:16 AM PDT by Hetuck
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To: Kahuna
"Their motive may be as simple as an attempt to suppress the turnout and support for Mittens?"


17 posted on 08/03/2012 7:06:18 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: LS

Are you some sort of Conspiracy Theorist?


18 posted on 08/03/2012 7:06:41 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: LS

LOL We have a niece who is getting a PhD in something like survy modalities. We asked her if that was putting together surveys so one could get the answers one wanted.


19 posted on 08/03/2012 7:11:12 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Kahuna

Their motive may be as simple as an attempt to suppress the turnout and support for Mittens?
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Indeed. The. Libs are just doing what Libs do. No surprise to me.


20 posted on 08/03/2012 7:12:12 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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