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As CIA Drone War Deaths Increase, So Does Anti-U.S. Sentiment
New American ^ | Friday, 03 August 2012 11:45 | Joe Wolverton, II

Posted on 08/03/2012 9:40:01 PM PDT by robowombat

Friday, 03 August 2012 11:45 As CIA Drone War Deaths Increase, So Does Anti-U.S. Sentiment Written by Joe Wolverton, II

At a conference of top Pakistani and American officials in Aspen, Colorado, Sherry Rehman, Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, criticized the Central Intelligence Agency’s drone warfare in Pakistan, describing it as having reached the point of “diminishing returns” and contributing to the growing anti-American sentiment in the country.

“This adds to the pool of recruits we’re fighting against,” Rehman said at the Aspen Security Forum held July 25-28.

With Pakistan’s spy chief, Lt. General Zaheerul Islam is scheduled to meet with CIA Director David Petraeus at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, next week, Rehman also added that “we will seek an end to drone strikes and there will be no compromise on that.”

Ambassador Rehman’s remarks are understandable and are backed up by data contained in a report issued by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ). According to that document, the United States has carried out at least 337 drone strikes in Pakistan, mainly centered in the tribal areas in the northern part of the province of Waziristan.

According to the organization’s website, the CIA has carried out four drone attacks in Pakistan in July, resulting in between 38 and 53 deaths, depending on the source of the fatality reports.

That number is up from the 22-46 killed in Pakistan by drone in June and it is “the highest in any month so far this year” according to the BIJ.

Not surprisingly, the American representative at the Aspen conference refused to comment on the drone war. Douglas Lute, “War Czar” in the Bush and Obama administrations, did, however, remind his counterpart that “sovereignty has privileges but also comes with responsibilities.”

Lute’s statement seems to be another demonstration of the White House’s commitment to advance the principles of the tenets of the UN’s “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) doctrine.

As The New American reported in April, President Obama made a strong statement of support for R2P by appointing Samantha Power to head the new Atrocities Prevention Board.

Samantha Power rose to prominence in government circles as part of her campaign to promote R2P.

In a nutshell, Responsibility to Protect (also known as Responsibility to Act) is a doctrine advanced by the United Nations predicated on the proposition that sovereignty is a privilege, not a right, and that if any regime in any nation violates the prevailing precepts of acceptable governance, then the international community is morally obligated to revoke that nation’s sovereignty and assume command and control of the offending country.

The three pillars of the United Nations-backed Responsibility to Protect are:

• A state has a responsibility to protect its population from mass atrocities;

• The international community has a responsibility to assist the state if it is unable to protect its population on its own; and

• If the state fails to protect its citizens from mass atrocities and peaceful measures have failed, the international community has the responsibility to intervene through coercive measures such as economic sanctions. Military intervention is considered the last resort.

By echoing the chief premise of R2P, Lute confirmed President Obama’s commitment to defer to the UN and to the removal of the ever-present obstacle of American sovereignty from the internationalists’ efforts to bring all the world under their control.

There is no doubt that the Obama administration’s dedication to death by remote control is an affront to the sovereignty of Pakistan, as well as the other nations whose skies are buzzing with drones. While such a policy is unsupported by the Constitution specifically or by principles of liberty generally, the number of people being killed without being given an opportunity to answer the charges made against them is inimical to the concept of due process, as well. America is making enemies overseas by making herself an enemy to the Constitution.

Sadly, the tally of those killed by American missiles launched from unmanned aerial vehicles under the control of the CIA is growing.

In a report filed by the Pakistan-based Conflict Monitoring Center, additional details of the CIA’s drone war are revealed. The report offers evidence of the many people who were killed by American drones with no more than a suspicion of being linked to militant groups.

According to an analysis of the report by Global Research, in 2010:

The CIA carried out an unprecedented 132 drone attacks in tribal areas, claiming the lives of 938 people, it said. The Conflict Monitoring Center points out that none of the media organizations throughout last year reported on body counts from independent sources. Many analysts believe the geo-strategic game plan of the US has turned out to be counterproductive. The year 2010 was one of the deadliest years for civilians living in the tribal regions, as the number of drone strikes exceeded the combined number of such attacks carried out from 2004 to 2009. The report states that 2,052 people lost their lives in drone strikes during the 5-year period between 2004 and 2009. The rising civilian causalities have left behind many tragic stories in the tribal areas.

Pakistan is not the CIA’s only target for drone attacks, however. As reported by BIJ, Yemen and Somalia have seen increases in drone activity in 2012, as well.

For example, in July 2012, between 10 and 23 people have been killed in Yemen as the result of drone strikes in that nation.

In one such attack carried out on July 23, the BIJ explains:

A night time precision airstrike killed at least five alleged militants in a number of reported "air strikes" in southern Abyan province’s al-Mahfad. The area is said to be the last geographic stronghold of AQAP and Ansar al-Sharia, and AP reported Yemeni media as saying that "the militants were consolidating their positions in al-Mahfad, quoting witnesses who said they saw military hardware headed to the area in in trucks."

Although the operation was attributed to the Yemen Air Force, it is unlikely that they possess such technology, thus implicating the United States in the strike.

Regarding Somalia, as we reported on July 24, there have been 64 unauthorized drone deployments, fighter jet missions or attack helicopter flights recorded in that country since June 2011. At least 10 of the documented flights involved drones.

While the U.S. military keeps mum about its use of drones around the world, it is known that drones are deployed and launched from American military bases in Djibouti, the Seychelles, and Ethiopia. In fact, in a statement released in June, the Obama administration admitted that it “is engaged in a robust range of operations to target Al-Qaeda and associated forces, including in Somalia.”

In 2011, the military acknowledged that as part of that operation a drone strike was launched against two suspected leaders of al-Shabaab, an alleged al-Qaeda affiliate based in Somalia. The use of these drones and the firing of missiles at militants seemingly violates a 1992 UN Security Council embargo still in effect, as drones carrying Hellfire missiles are inarguably deployed for uses that are “exclusively military,” in direct contravention of the terms of the 1992 directive.

Finally, on July 29, in the latest reported drone strike in Pakistan, up to seven “Uzbek militants” were killed. In contrast to that version of the story, however, media accounts of the event out of Pakistan claim that “All those killed in this latest drone strike were locals and not foreigners or Uzbeks as reported by a section of the press.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; ciadrones; drones; obamadrones

1 posted on 08/03/2012 9:40:10 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

So what. These people hate us anyway and yet accept our money. Screw them.


2 posted on 08/03/2012 9:44:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will NEVER get my vote.)
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To: robowombat

I guess they never hold the old saying, “If you don’t want to wke up with fleas don’t sleep by the dog.”


3 posted on 08/03/2012 9:51:12 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in on your feet than it is to live as on your knees.)
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To: doc1019

I agree with you: Screw them.


4 posted on 08/03/2012 9:53:47 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( The first priority is get socialist thug obama out of the White House!)
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5 posted on 08/03/2012 9:58:37 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: robowombat

I’m having trouble mustering sympathy..


6 posted on 08/03/2012 10:05:26 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Do I really need a /s tag?)
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To: robowombat

I’m having trouble mustering sympathy..


7 posted on 08/03/2012 10:05:26 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Do I really need a /s tag?)
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To: robowombat
In Pakistan it is better to be feared than loved
8 posted on 08/03/2012 10:15:31 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: robowombat

The US should take money given to the Pakis and give it instead to India.. Double down on the Pakis..
Bin LAden THAT..


9 posted on 08/03/2012 10:21:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: robowombat

> ...growing anti-American sentiment in the country...

That’s a veiled threat from the Pakistani ambassador; the terrorist state of Pakistan and its enforcement spy agency — ISI — will launch attacks against the US if drone activity, if any, is not stopped.


10 posted on 08/03/2012 10:29:26 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: robowombat

This article is isolationist Bullshit. These drone strikes have been decimating the Pakistani Taliban and affinity groups, as well as knocking off foreign jihadists who work with them or the Afghanistan Taliban.

The Pakistan Taliban kills far more people, including many documents/filmed executions of Pakistan’s semi-military (is. paramility) border or regional police.

Let the drones keep on doing their job, i.e., decimating our enemies, driving a 24/7 few of instant death into their psyche, and teaching their supporters that we can get them too.


11 posted on 08/03/2012 10:47:35 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: robowombat
Pakistan is SOOO right in this. Absolutely absurd how we're spending billions using drones to target extremely specific targets. We are indeed giving birth to armies of those who hate us.

We should instead simply hand that money over to India in the form of old aircraft and ‘dumb’ weapons, and ask our international friend to help us in the war against terrorism.

And since the hands of Air Force personnel and CIA handlers are on the controls of these drones, we should immediately turn them over into the hands of the tens of thousands who have fled the religious and gender persecution in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and have them keep an eye out for evil dooers. Include a hotline to India who can get first hand reports of those who are abusing the civilian population so they can immediately be targeted by area of effect weaponry.

Not only will we finally be on the right side of this conflict, and also supporting a very key ally in the region, but we can actually strike a real blow against those who have taken gay bashing and brutalizing woman far beyond an art form and into public performances.

Oh, and hey, while we're getting the hell out of dodge, let's hand over those sniper rifles to the dancing boys of Afghanistan after some instruction, so that they might entertain those who used to fondle and abuse them with their new found sharpshooting skills.

12 posted on 08/03/2012 11:07:08 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: robowombat; All

I guess this is why they want to bring them home to spy in American streets.


13 posted on 08/03/2012 11:18:44 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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I expect my brothers and sister of IQ+ to fight on behalf of Liberty. We all know tyranny sucks ass — do the right thing!


14 posted on 08/03/2012 11:47:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: doc1019

the proposition that sovereignty is a privilege, not a right, and that if any regime in any nation violates the prevailing precepts of acceptable governance, then the international community is morally obligated to revoke that nation’s sovereignty and assume command and control of the offending country.

And if the international community violates the concept
of acceptable government?

Then any sovereign people are obligated to stand on their
sovereignty and declare they will NOT be subject to the
whims of the international community.


15 posted on 08/04/2012 12:26:29 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: robowombat

We should agree to stop using drones and Hellfire missiles when Pakistan agrees to kick out the Taliban.


16 posted on 08/04/2012 12:45:37 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: robowombat

I would not take this Pak official’s statements seriously. He wants the drones strikes stopped or diminished, which is doubtless just what the terrorists want.

Without the drone strikes, he would be no more likely to be successfully active in fighting the terrorists, because the Pakistani military is not fully committed to oppose the terrorists.


17 posted on 08/04/2012 3:24:31 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: robowombat
From the article:

The CIA carried out an unprecedented 132 drone attacks in tribal areas, claiming the lives of 938 people, it said. The Conflict Monitoring Center points out that none of the media organizations throughout last year reported on body counts from independent sources. Many analysts believe the geo-strategic game plan of the US has turned out to be counterproductive. The year 2010 was one of the deadliest years for civilians living in the tribal regions, as the number of drone strikes exceeded the combined number of such attacks carried out from 2004 to 2009. The report states that 2,052 people lost their lives in drone strikes during the 5-year period between 2004 and 2009. The rising civilian causalities have left behind many tragic stories in the tribal areas.

So we're just supposed to assume that these "people" were civilians? The imprecision of the language used here is interesting.

18 posted on 08/04/2012 4:01:38 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: robowombat
Keep the civilian casualties under wraps, thanks NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, PBS. INDESCRIMINATE BOMBING OF CIVILIANS THERE I SAID IT! I sound like a liberal 60’s throw back but oh that Bush he was evil.
19 posted on 08/04/2012 4:28:33 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: robowombat

Wiziristan is theoretically Pakistan.In practice, in reality, it is a tribal land not really beholden to the Paki central government. It allows the enemies in Afghanistan sanctuary and is neither Afghani nor Paki. The area is therefore a justified target.

Public opinion in the area does not favor the American drones. One wonders why it matters. Like Hamas in Gaza, the public is the enemy even though they are counted as Pakis. They are not. They do not fit into the neat little border boxes drawn on a map.

The drones who run the Paki governmnet whine about American userpation knowing full well their claims to the area are toothless. They lack the power to enforce their will


20 posted on 08/04/2012 4:48:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: robowombat

This is how soetoro wages war.


21 posted on 08/04/2012 6:20:58 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: robowombat

PAkistani ambassador Sherry Rehman? That doesn’t sound right.


22 posted on 08/04/2012 6:26:47 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Jyotishi

Everybody is just going to have to get used to it. Drones are the wave of the future. Small, difficult to detect, lethal. Driver 9000 miles away.


23 posted on 08/04/2012 6:32:59 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Yardstick
You are correct. You have spotted a significant semantic trick by which the author conflates all drone strike fatalities as ‘people’ who it is inferred are ‘civilians’ and therefore Innocent noncombatants. I don't agree with everything I post. I post what seems to be interesting and provocative news or opinion appearing as news (such as this item) for Freepers to enjoy.
24 posted on 08/04/2012 8:14:54 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Jyotishi
You are correct, congrats. The ISI will conduct covert attacks on US assets in Pakistan to ‘prove’ that Pakistanis have been driven to do these things because of the drone strikes to try and generate leverage for the Pak government to pressure the US to cut back on if not stop drone strikes in the tribal territories. That would seem to indicate the drone strikes are having a significant negative effect on the ISI’s terrorist and drug smuggling clients in the tribal areas
25 posted on 08/04/2012 8:20:55 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Oh, no, they’ve stopped *liking* us?!?

Thanks robowombat.


26 posted on 08/05/2012 4:49:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: robowombat; Yardstick; SunkenCiv

The “people” killed in drone strikes are highly vetted. To even infer, or worse, blatantly say they are “civilians” is an insult. And complete horsesh!+.

If we wanted to indiscriminately wipe them out, we would stage some thing, like burning a koran, to bring them out and get them to group up in protest. Then hit them with the napalm.


27 posted on 08/05/2012 5:14:50 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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