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CBS News: Shooter Identified As Former US Military Member
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/06/cbs-news-shooter-identified-as-former-us-military-member/ ^ | Augus 6, 2012 | CBSNews

Posted on 08/06/2012 6:08:34 AM PDT by FR_addict

...CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit...

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KEYWORDS: domesticterrorism; fortbragg; india; psyops; shooter; sikh; sikhtempleshooting; wademichaelpage; wadepage
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If he was given a less than honorable discharge from the military, I don't believe he is allowed to purchase a gun legally.

This is also interesting-- "serving in psychological operations unit"

1 posted on 08/06/2012 6:08:38 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Why??


2 posted on 08/06/2012 6:13:24 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: FR_addict

finally!! A mass murderer they can condemn and use to advance gun control

The my be messing in their pants: he is not a muzzie, a minority, a homo, NONE of the protected groups..

Hope it turns out he is a democrap


3 posted on 08/06/2012 6:16:13 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: FR_addict

finally!! A mass murderer they can condemn and use to advance gun control

They must be so happy: he is not a muzzie, a minority, a homo, NONE of the protected groups (so far)

If it turns out he is a Republican too then I think they will need a change of underwear.


4 posted on 08/06/2012 6:18:28 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K

Why would you want him affiliated with any group, especially a national political party?


5 posted on 08/06/2012 6:18:57 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: FR_addict
In Army psychological operations during the Clinton, Ruby Ridge-Waco-Oklahoma City-TWA years and perhaps brought back into the fold to continue programming under the Obama Regime.
6 posted on 08/06/2012 6:18:57 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: FR_addict

Not that I don’t trust anything SeeBS News says.....


7 posted on 08/06/2012 6:18:57 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: goseminoles

I’m not sure if it is federal, state, or local law, but in Durham, NC, you are not allowed a concealed carry license if you have anything other than an honorable discharge.

Maybe some one here knows the law on owning or purchasing a gun.


8 posted on 08/06/2012 6:21:44 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

So was Nadal...but I don’t see the words domestic terrorism associated with his murders by the PC admin. and press.


9 posted on 08/06/2012 6:23:30 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: FR_addict

Using the CBS criteria, a single enlistment, a BCD, and no apparent contact with the DOD for 14 years - how many other criminals qualify for their headline?


11 posted on 08/06/2012 6:25:58 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: FR_addict

Doesn’t this make three that were supposedly working with/studying psychology: Ft. Hood, Aurora Shooter and this one?

What do they study in those departments anyway?

This guy was out of the military before 9/11, not sure if this has a mistaken identity aspect to it. (as in too stupid to know the difference between Muslims and Sikhs)


12 posted on 08/06/2012 6:26:13 AM PDT by madison10
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To: FR_addict

So, they’re categorizing this as domestic terrorism but the Ft Hood shooting as workplace violence. Got it.


13 posted on 08/06/2012 6:27:26 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: FR_addict
Federal Register: Section 922(g)(6) of the GCA makes it unlawful for persons who have been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions to receive or possess firearms. As ATF stated in Notice No. 839, the legislative history of this provision shows that the prohibition originally applied to persons discharged under ``other than honorable conditions.'' The Omnibus Crime and Safe Streets Act of 1968, Pub. L. 90-351, Title VII, sec. 1202(2), 82 Stat. 226 (1968). However, Title VII was amended by the GCA to limit the prohibition to persons discharged under ``dishonorable conditions.'' Therefore, the proposed definition provides that the prohibition applies only to persons discharged under dishonorable conditions, but not to persons separated from the Armed Forces as a result of other types of discharges, such as a bad conduct discharge or a dismissal.

To put it in civilian equivalences: A less-than-honorable is considered to be about a misdemeanor conviction, but a Duck Dinner (dishonorable discharge) is considered to be a felony conviction.

14 posted on 08/06/2012 6:29:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: FR_addict
serving in the psychological operations unit...

1 shooter in psychological operations for the army, 2 in neuroscience labs in universities, one as a teacher one as a student, in the last couple of years....just a little strange. Begs the question, what are they messing with?

16 posted on 08/06/2012 6:34:39 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: mrsmith

Good find.

Conservative Charlie Sykes in Milwaukee will be talking about this incident now:

Listen Live:

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/122165534.html


17 posted on 08/06/2012 6:36:44 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: FR_addict

It’s evidently federal law: http://www.justice.gov/usao/ut/psn/documents/guncard.pdf

Possession of a firearm or ammunition by a prohibited person b: By a subject who falls within one of the following categories: ...
Dishonorably discharged from the military


18 posted on 08/06/2012 6:36:54 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
The same gun grabbers who brought you Fast and Furious are fans of the old Charles Bronson film Telefon apparently...
19 posted on 08/06/2012 6:37:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lady Heron

Are they using people as guinea pigs, or what? Forget the guns, they are a distraction from something much more nefarious. (that is according to my tinfoil hat beeber, though)


20 posted on 08/06/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by madison10
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To: FR_addict

A less-than-honorable discharge is not a dishonorable one. The only way to get a dishonorable discharge is to be convicted in a courts-martial. Sounds like Page was Admin discharged.

Something just isnt right with this incident. Wonder if it is a false flag type of ops....like Ruby Ridge


21 posted on 08/06/2012 6:43:38 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Just because someone has an "R" next to their name, does not make them a Conservative)
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To: Lady Heron

I wouldn’t put it past the left to have “programmed” these guys to go out and do this. Twice in a couple of weeks and the timing before the election seems very suspicious.


22 posted on 08/06/2012 6:47:55 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

My friend’s dad was in Korea and he swears they used mass ‘conditioning’ for soldiers.

As he said, “How else are they going to get little farm boys who say yes m’am and go to church every Sunday to just kill someone on command. You can order it, you can expect it, but it’s something else for them to actually pull the trigger on a human face.”


23 posted on 08/06/2012 6:55:19 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: FR_addict

I understand there’s General, Medical, Section 8, and Hardship discharges. There may be others. But maybe other than General those would be under Honorable conditions(?)


24 posted on 08/06/2012 6:56:00 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: mrsmith

Googling that e-mail address suggests it’s not him. Living in SC as of June, and was apparently still posting comments on articles as of last night:

http://www.aol.com/social/badman400?action=comments


25 posted on 08/06/2012 7:02:16 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Sloth

The internet allows us to smear the good names of people all over the world, from the privacy of our basements.


26 posted on 08/06/2012 7:06:26 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FR_addict

What does his previous military experience have to do with anything? He was discharged almost 15 years ago and was never deployed. We need to stop harping on this because it adds to the barriers our veterans have reintegrating and finding work. This tie in to military experience scares the pants off civilian employers.


27 posted on 08/06/2012 7:08:18 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: FR_addict
This just in: Brian Ross, ABC News, reports that the shooter is a member of the Wisconsin Tea Party, and worked as a campaign volunteer for Michelle Bachmann.

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Off, OFF Damned Sarcasm!!!

28 posted on 08/06/2012 7:13:08 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: vet7279

“What does his previous military experience have to do with anything? He was discharged almost 15 years ago and was never deployed. We need to stop harping on this because it adds to the barriers our veterans have reintegrating and finding work. This tie in to military experience scares the pants off civilian employers.”

Most of our vets are not less-than-honorable discharge. I think the fact that he was less than honorably discharged separates him from the majority of veterans and could be a clue as to why he committed this act of terrorism.


29 posted on 08/06/2012 7:21:23 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Well, although it’s hard to sort the wheat from the chaff, there is a lot of wheat to be found by a google search for MK Ultra or Project Talent. Leave bread crumbs so you can find your way back out of that rabbit hole. :)

Loose ends suggestive of mind control ops can be readily identified in all the domestic false flag operations for decades. Don’t want to get all AJ here on FR, but it’s getting a bit hard to ignore, IMO.


30 posted on 08/06/2012 7:25:06 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: autumnraine
Added in bold and revising the dad's quote:

“How else are they going to get little farm boys who say yes m’am and go to church every Sunday to just kill someone on command. You can order it, you can expect it, but it’s something else for them to actually pull the trigger on a human face. Especially if that person is a fellow citizen, or family member."?

31 posted on 08/06/2012 7:25:58 AM PDT by madison10
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To: SkyDancer; RetiredArmy
RetiredArmy posted this list in another thread.

The types of military discharges:
Honorable; General (under honorable conditions); Under Other than Honorable Conditions (OTH); Bad Conduct (also known as the BCD; and Dishonorable.

The last two discharges come at Court-Martial proceedings. The General and OTH discharges come from administrative means. Such as failures to do your job, DUI cases, being over weight, etc. They also come from some types of misbehavior and having multiple Article 15s under the UCMJ (those are punishments by commanders at company or battalion level which can reduce a soldier in rank, take away pay, restrict movement, extra after hours duties, etc.). Generally soldiers who simply cannot or will not conform. You also could, used to be, discharged for being a homo.


Thanks for the clarification
32 posted on 08/06/2012 7:27:24 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: KeyLargo

Definitely NOT the same guy.


33 posted on 08/06/2012 7:29:07 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: FR_addict

Thanks too for the clarification.


34 posted on 08/06/2012 7:31:30 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: SueRae

Muzzies are a protected group.
Only when a white ex-serviceman does this do they call it ‘domestic terrorism’.


35 posted on 08/06/2012 7:31:40 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Mr. K

“....he is not a muzzie, a minority, a homo, NONE of the protected groups....”

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They discovered all that info in less than 24 hours?

Let’s wait and see what else they discover (and hide?) about him.


36 posted on 08/06/2012 7:39:34 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: FR_addict

bfl


37 posted on 08/06/2012 7:41:22 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Sloth; mnehring

Thank you both.


38 posted on 08/06/2012 7:44:36 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: FR_addict

I checked and it appears that the vast majority of American veterans have never killed anyone. 99.99999% of American military veterans have not gone in to a Sikh temple and killed anyone.

While it is interesting that the shooter was in the US military at some time it is meaningless. Maybe he was a paperboy too or worked the counter at McDonalds in the past. Those past occupations would be equally as meanlingless. Why this is even being discussed is puzzling to me except that it fits the lefts agenda regarding gun control? Ex military control? Or maybe ex paperboy or McDonalds counter help control?

We have lost the ability to think logically sometimes in this country. The media will focus on the “ex-military” aspects of this but won’t look in to Obama’s past at all. Sick.


39 posted on 08/06/2012 7:50:39 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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‘White supremacist skinhead’ shooter who gunned down six at Sikh temple ‘was kicked out of the army and had 9/11 tattoo’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184038/Wisconsin-Sikh-temple-shooter-killed-7-white-supremacist-soldier.html


40 posted on 08/06/2012 7:51:28 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: autumnraine

Growing up on a farm is pretty much programing in and of itself.

You shoot at us, and we shoot back.

Having been raised on a farm, we’re just better shots.

We live, they die.


41 posted on 08/06/2012 7:52:53 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: patriot08

I like the dailymail title better than the titles in American media.


42 posted on 08/06/2012 8:00:22 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: isthisnickcool
Vast majority of the American veterans are not kicked out of the military on a less than honorable discharge either.

This is the part I was bringing out on this thread.

I like the way the daily mail titled their story:

‘White supremacist skinhead’ shooter who gunned down six at Sikh temple ‘was kicked out of the army and had 9/11 tattoo’

43 posted on 08/06/2012 8:05:02 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: isthisnickcool

Yeah, a fourteen year gap and MSM looks at his (Sikh murderer) so-called “military record.” What other things did he do in that time span, participate in a few Occupy rallies? eat some dog? attend college?


44 posted on 08/06/2012 8:06:56 AM PDT by madison10
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To: patriot08

If this hasn’t already been posted, it’s worth posting just for the title.


45 posted on 08/06/2012 8:10:18 AM PDT by FR_addict
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Shooter Identified As Former US Military Member...

Wasn't the DC Sniper a Former US Military Member?

Born as John Allen Williams, joined the Nation of Islam and changed his name to John Allen Mohamed.

46 posted on 08/06/2012 8:11:43 AM PDT by thedrake
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To: FR_addict

I dont believe you are correct


47 posted on 08/06/2012 8:16:06 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: FR_addict

what if you were not in the mil and if you choose not to provide a DD214 who would know?


48 posted on 08/06/2012 8:18:16 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: FR_addict

He was attached to the US Army Psychological Unit at Ft. Bliss Tx. Holmes was involved in neuroscience research funded by govt. Does anyone here know how to calculate the probability of that?


49 posted on 08/06/2012 8:26:39 AM PDT by virgil
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Re: “Less Than Honorable Discharge” & “Gun Purchase”

His discharge was based on job performance.

NOT discipline or behavior issues.


50 posted on 08/06/2012 8:28:49 AM PDT by zeestephen
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