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Advocates: Romney backs gay scouts, Obama is silent (Reaffirms 1994 position)
The Washington Times ^ | August 7, 2012 | By Stephen Dinan

Posted on 08/08/2012 11:58:58 AM PDT by Maelstorm

There is one social issue on which Mitt Romney is more liberal than President Obama — that of urging the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to accept gay scouts.

Mr. Romney said in 1994 that while it was up to BSA to set its own policy, he thought the scouts should allow gay boys in, and this week his campaign reaffirmed that stance to the Associated Press. The 1994 comments came as he was running to unseat then-Sen. Edward M. Kennedy in Massachusetts.

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Now Scouts for Equality, a group pushing for the national scouting group to allow gay boys to join, said it's time for Mr. Obama — who as president is the honorary president of the scouts — to take the same stand.

"I'm happy to hear that Mitt Romney's campaign confirmed his support for the participation of my family, and families like mine, in the Boy Scouts of America," said Jennifer Tyrrell, a former cub scout den leader who is lesbian, said in a statement. "I think President Obama should also let the public know what he thinks about a cultural institution like the Boy Scouts banning gay Americans."

Ms. Tyrell, who was dismissed as a den leader, is leading a petition drive to try to get BSA to change its policy to allow gay scouts and scout leaders. After a two-year review, BSA leaders announced last month that they would not change longstanding policies against openly gay scouts and adult scout leaders.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gay; lgbt; romney
I missed this yesterday but taken in context with Romney's "not a part of his campaign" comment in Vegas concerning Chickfila I find this more than troubling and now today Team Romney is using RomneyCare as a defense? Just when it looked like Romney might be coasting to victory he starts reminding us why we didn't like him in the first place. Maybe it is time to think of a real GOP rebellian at the convention. Team Romney had better get its act together and stop with this crap. God help them if they choose a moderate/lib GOP for VP. Romney will find himself in a firestorm of epic proportions and Obama will be laughing his ass off to re-election.
1 posted on 08/08/2012 11:59:09 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

2 posted on 08/08/2012 12:03:59 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: Maelstorm
Two words:

Jerry Sandusky

3 posted on 08/08/2012 12:06:41 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Maelstorm
Is this about gay Boy Scouts or gay Boy Scout leaders?...
The issue is not the same. To allow gay leaders is to let the fox into the hen house. Poison for the innocents.
Let them start their own Giblet organizations, don't pollute established ones.

Romney scares me but, a whole lot less than Hussein Obama.

4 posted on 08/08/2012 12:08:58 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Maelstorm
It's absurd to think any social conservative would vote for this POS. It's downright sinful for any Christian to vote for him.

The lesser of two evils strategy is brain dead and moves that nation to the left with the votes of conservatives. There is no hope unless that mentality ends.

5 posted on 08/08/2012 12:12:31 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Maelstorm

“he thought the scouts should allow gay boys in, and this week his campaign reaffirmed that stance to the Associated Press”

Way to rally the conservative vote Mitt, that should get em out to the polls.


6 posted on 08/08/2012 12:12:57 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Maelstorm

7 posted on 08/08/2012 12:15:13 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: marstegreg

Ping...here is the proof of what I told you would happen.

Romney’s comments have been used to support the queer agenda to subvert the BSA.

Good job MR!!/s


8 posted on 08/08/2012 12:15:22 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: BatGuano

Exactly. The MSM is confusing the issue again (on purpose).


9 posted on 08/08/2012 12:15:31 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: wagglebee; SandRat

Another Scout/homo twofer ping...


10 posted on 08/08/2012 12:17:02 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Kazan

The only way I will vote for him is if he chooses a solid conservative VP. We should have enough conservatives in the Senate and House to stop him if we need to. I was hoping beyond hope he would turn out to be better than his record suggested but I’m beginning to put that dream aside.


11 posted on 08/08/2012 12:19:53 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Now lets return to our regular scheduled deprogramming.)
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To: ScottfromNJ
Way to rally the conservative vote Mitt, that should get em out to the polls.

You'd rather he ignore Romney's desire to push homosexuality upon the Boy Scouts just so he can win? Screw that and screw Mitt Romney.

12 posted on 08/08/2012 12:20:12 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Maelstorm
The only way I will vote for him is if he chooses a solid conservative VP.

What difference would it make? The Vice President has no power and any VP associated with Romney will be doomed by his failed Presidency.

13 posted on 08/08/2012 12:22:11 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Maelstorm
Obviously you are an Obama supporter because you have posted an article that does not express how wonderful and hard core conservative Mitt Romney is.

Oh and you hate Mormons too you bigot.

And work for the DNC...

I think that's all of it...

14 posted on 08/08/2012 12:24:08 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: BatGuano
Is this about gay Boy Scouts or gay Boy Scout leaders?... The issue is not the same.

So at what point do you tell the "allowed" homosexual BS he can no longer participate in the organization?

Much like Willard supports homosexual adoption (called it "the American Dream" once) but opposses homosexual marriage. We're not that stupid - one opens the door wide for the other in both cases.
15 posted on 08/08/2012 12:28:49 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

That’s an excellent point. Another one is is homosexuality a one way street? Should we let homosexual boys convert back to normalcy and heterosexuality? Scouting’s not set up for that.


16 posted on 08/08/2012 12:33:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Yep-Sandusky!-—the ideal “partner” has always been the boy—for homosexuals-—that age when their natural sexual identity was perverted so they would never mature to the normal attraction of the “other”. It is narcissism and idolatry—this fixation in latency period.

This forcing homosexuals to be mentors of the Boy Scouts is what happened to the Boy Scouts in Germany-—and they had a great time with orgies in the woods. Homosexuals throughout all of history (and in the Greek myths/Samurai/Tibetan whatever-—have always preferred BOYS!!!! Get educated on homosexuality. This recent Marxist (Harry Hay who founded the movement was sodomized as a boy by a sailor-—liked it-—He was a Communist.) Why do you think NAMBLA is allowed to exist? Look at homosexual literature-—glorifies beautiful boys—like Zeus and Ganymede.

Montesquieu stated that the correct sentiment has to be cultivated for certain types of governments to WORK and be SUCCESSFUL: for Tyranny—you cultivate Fear (we have that with PC being forced, so people are afraid to speak the Truth—they will be destroyed by the fascist MSM and arbitrary laws (unconstitutional).
For Monarchy—you promote Honor, so people respect authority.
For a Republic—you have to promote Virtue—public Virtue. By forcing Sodomy in the military—you remove Virtue and promote Vice. It will destroy the military—as Machiavelli stated Virtue is essential for the military—because of their great power over others.

Now with trying to normalize ‘Sodomy is “Good”’ to children with gay “Pride”—you will destroy Virtue and character in children. They will grow up to reject God’s Laws-—the Standards which we create Just Law (Justice) with. The Worldview of Sodomy and Christianity is exclusive. BOTH are not GOOD—it is one or the other. Promoting Sodomy, eliminates Christianity. Promoting Christianity (which is the ethics of our Founders and country for 200 years) will make sodomy illegal.

For centuries, Revelation and Natural Law Theory determined Just Law in Western civilization—It is what made us great. Reason is essential-—there is NO LOGICAL REASON to promote such a teleologically destructive lifestyle as Sodomy—it is evil—A VICE—irrational/destructive—leads to molestation of boys and hedonism and erasing of all sexual morality).

Zero is throwing out God—and his Standards—to destroy this country on purpose. Cultural Marxists in the 50’s (Marcuse) stated that to destroy Western Civilization—just destroy Christianity. It will be destroyed if there is no Virtue and Rule of Law which comes from only Laws that promote Virtue (Justice—which is a Virtue). God and Moral Absolutes is necessary for JUST LAW. Weimar Republic promoted the the most vulgar, base, evil culture to ever have the public stage and we know where that leads. They were worse, if that is possible, than the French morality during Voltaire’s time.

It is the underlying essential First Principle of our Constitution.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 12:35:16 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Maelstorm

I don’t believe there is a rule against gay boys.

There is a rule against homosexual men in leadership.


18 posted on 08/08/2012 12:39:53 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Maelstorm; All

There is absolutely nothing honorable or unintentional about being gay.

Therefore, there is no place for “gays” in The Boy Scouts of America - not Today, not Tomorrow, not EVER!


19 posted on 08/08/2012 12:42:31 PM PDT by Mister Anderson (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Maelstorm

Curious if Romney is ignorant of what “gay” in this sense means? Wondering if he’s ignorant of the intense damage to young boys lives, young men’s lives as the “Gay” takes their pleasures of them.

Men, even young men take their manhood quite seriously.

Many a suicide can be blamed on the “gay”. (Look it up yourself)

Romney is wrong.


20 posted on 08/08/2012 12:56:42 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Mister Anderson; Maelstorm; All

Maybe they start off ‘gay’, or ‘ambiguous’, but being in the Boy Scouts is supposed to turn a ‘child of undetermined goals, of confusing life choices, of limited learning and experience’ into a MAN.

I don’t know of any Boy Scouts I ever met who started off ‘perfect’. I do know that the longer they stayed in, the better they got.

I’m pretty sure that starting off in Boy Scouts as gay will either cure you , or you will quit. Maybe the Boy Scouts is the last best chance for helping children live a full and healthy life. Even if they start off ‘gay’.


21 posted on 08/08/2012 12:59:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Help. How do I put something in my tagline.)
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To: Maelstorm

22 posted on 08/08/2012 1:00:09 PM PDT by Lady4Liberty (Watch Romney DESTROY Obama at his own game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYvx4UfM8RA)
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To: rockinqsranch

I agree. He is wrong.


23 posted on 08/08/2012 1:02:03 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Now lets return to our regular scheduled deprogramming.)
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To: Mister Anderson

Another thought.

Maybe Lady Gaga, Roseanne Barr, the cast of The View, Elton John, etc. should start up (and fund) an organization called the Gay Scouts. Only gay children allowed.

Solves the problem,doesn’t it?

I wonder what the merit badges would be ?


24 posted on 08/08/2012 1:02:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Help. How do I put something in my tagline.)
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To: ejonesie22
Obviously you are an Obama supporter because you have posted an article that does not express how wonderful and hard core conservative Mitt Romney is.

Oh and you hate Mormons too you bigot.

And work for the DNC...

I think that's all of it...

You'd think even the slowest among them would have finally managed to learn by now, wouldn't you?

But they don't.

They really... truly... simply... don't.

;)

25 posted on 08/08/2012 1:04:45 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Well, he didn’t shoot his foot completely off, but he’s lost a couple of toes.

This was a dumb, Dumb, DUMB thing to do.

At a time when he seriously needs to get Tea Party support...


26 posted on 08/08/2012 1:09:12 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Kazan

I guess we are suppose to forget that in the SLC Olympics Romney refused to allow the Boy Scouts to volunteer claiming it was because of their age. When it was pointed out that other youth groups of the same age were allowed he flipped and said they would be allowed to but they could not wear their uniforms. He was pandering to the gays, planning to run for office in Massachusetts.


27 posted on 08/08/2012 1:14:56 PM PDT by brightright
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To: Maelstorm
As if it wasn't hard enough already, this 'gay' Boy Scout statement makes it very difficult to vote for Romney. If this is still his position, I think he is totally wrong and pandering to the left and 'moderates' who think being 'gay' is genetic. I also fear Romney is going to name some bland RINO for his VP.

With all this and Romneys refusal to back the Chick-fil-A CEO on his perfectly reasonable statement that favored traditional marriage I now want to see him replaced at the convention in Tampa. We can do better.

28 posted on 08/08/2012 1:16:16 PM PDT by Jim Scott (Obama must be defeated)
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To: Kazan
It's absurd to think any social conservative would vote for this POS. It's downright sinful for any Christian to vote for him.

Boston Mass., is jammed with homos.

Of course Romney is a big supporter.

Never again do we vote for another leftist GOP insider.

29 posted on 08/08/2012 1:21:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

30 posted on 08/08/2012 1:24:29 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Lady4Liberty

Simple question: Do the boy scouts ban gay people from joining their ranks? I don’t think they do.


31 posted on 08/08/2012 1:35:32 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Ronin

“This was a dumb, Dumb, DUMB thing to do.”

This is a BS article. They only quoted a lesbian with no association to the romney campaign.


32 posted on 08/08/2012 1:38:34 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The Washington Times is a conservative newspaper.

Here is Romney expressing the depth of his loyalty to the homosexual agenda.

“For some voters it might be enough for me to simply match my opponent’s record in this area. But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.”
(snip)
“One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.”


33 posted on 08/08/2012 1:53:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Maelstorm
Team Romney had better get its act together and stop with this crap.

So, if Mitt flip-flops on his support of gays in the Boy Scouts tomorrow, you'll take him at his word?

That sounds an awful lot like, "lie to me, baby", to me.

People really need to stop deluding themselves about who and what Mitt Romney is. He's not a conservative. He's not a moderate. He's a liberal who's a registered Republican.



34 posted on 08/08/2012 2:05:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Of course he’s not ignorant. He gave $10,000 while gov to a radical “gay” activist group that distributed something called the Black Book to adolescent kids in public schools, describing disgusting faggot “sex acts”, contact numbers and the like.

Romney knows exactly what fags are like, and he’s fine with it.


35 posted on 08/08/2012 2:11:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Clock King
The MSM is confusing the issue again (on purpose).

That's as shameful a comment as any Obama apologist has ever made. You've got Mitt Romney's own words right in front of you, and you blame the media for ratting him out.

Are you not aware that Mitt Romney MANDATED gay 'marriage' while he was Governor of Massachusetts?

For crying out loud - he out gayed the radical libs, and even on the eve of his officially being nominated as the Republican challenger, his campaign AFFIRMS his support for gays in the BSofA!

36 posted on 08/08/2012 2:12:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ansel12

Do you have a link for those quotes? I’d like to pass them around.


37 posted on 08/08/2012 2:14:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ronin
This was a dumb, Dumb, DUMB thing to do. At a time when he seriously needs to get Tea Party support...

Mitt has never broken bread with the Tea Party since its inception. Not once. He studiously avoided ANY and all connections to the most important cultural movement of the last half century, and now, when it counts most, he has the temerity to expect us to vote for him.

As if being the grandfather of Obamacare, and his documented record of liberal governance weren't enough, he failed to capture the winds of Hurricane Chick-fil-A in his sails, then allows his campaign to re-affirm his support for gays in the Boy Scouts of America.

What else does this liberal poser have to do, to convince conservatives that he isn't worthy of our support?

38 posted on 08/08/2012 2:25:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: UCANSEE2; All

“””””Maybe they start off ‘gay’, or ‘ambiguous’, but being in the Boy Scouts is supposed to turn a ‘child of undetermined goals, of confusing life choices, of limited learning and experience’ into a MAN.

I don’t know of any Boy Scouts I ever met who started off ‘perfect’. I do know that the longer they stayed in, the better they got.

I’m pretty sure that starting off in Boy Scouts as gay will either cure you , or you will quit. Maybe the Boy Scouts is the last best chance for helping children live a full and healthy life. Even if they start off ‘gay’.”””””

The only problem with your opinion is this... The choice to be gay is just that, a conscious freewill choice to do wrong - There is absolutely nothing unintentional about this sickening and disgusting behavioral choice. It is a highly aggressive and despicable movement, an abomination to us all. Presently, there is no way to contain or eradicate this vileness, but we can still protect ourselves from it and we have a right to do so.

A young man or boy who is “taught” to be gay does not need the BSA, he needs a good counselor or psychologist first... One does not deliberately introduce a sickness into a healthy environment; at least not until the “sickness” has been completely cured.

Pandora’s box cannot be opened. There is no place for “gays” in the Boy Scouts of America period. Not today, not tomorrow, not EVER.


39 posted on 08/08/2012 2:31:36 PM PDT by Mister Anderson (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; wisconsinconservative; AFPhys; ...

Scout Ping


40 posted on 08/08/2012 2:35:35 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Maelstorm
Of course, he supports gay rights (special rights).

You could not pay me enough to vote for him.

...no wonder A. Coulter says they don't need the base; they are trying to keep those moderate dems in his column.

41 posted on 08/08/2012 2:37:36 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: little jeremiah

Here it is in text as a freerepublic thread, it also links to the PDF of Mitt’s letter.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949744/posts


42 posted on 08/08/2012 2:47:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

Thank you.


43 posted on 08/08/2012 3:23:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: brightright
I guess we are suppose to forget that in the SLC Olympics Romney refused to allow the Boy Scouts to volunteer claiming it was because of their age.

Romney makes liars of his supporters!

Funny, how there was no problem with their participation in other Olympics, isn't it?

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/

The 2002 Olympics - run by Mitt Romney - was the only Olympics that restricted the Boy Scouts from participating. According to news reports, this was apparently because of pressure from homosexual activists. (But also, according to reports, homosexual groups participated fairly prominently.) Romney would not respond to reporters' questions about that action.

The largest Boy Scout council in the country responded to the call for volunteers issued by the Salt Lake Olympic Organizing Committee, but the welcome mat was rolled up and the door slammed in its face. Olympic spokesmen for the 2002 winter games say the exclusion has nothing to do with recent protests by gay activists. While the organizing committee for the Olympic event is prominently displaying a call for local volunteers, they have explicitly let it be known that the Boy Scouts need not apply. "For us not to be involved is discouraging, considering the Atlanta games. The Scouting council there was extremely involved," said Kay Godfrey, professional Scout executive for the Great Salt Lake Council of Boy Scouts.

- NewsMax.com, Dec. 18, 2000

Stop lying for Mitt wit.

44 posted on 08/09/2012 6:39:08 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Mister Anderson
Thank you for the response. I have some questions.

The choice to be gay is just that, a conscious freewill choice to do wrong

A young man or boy who is “taught” to be gay

You seem to be contradicting yourself. If you are not taught that it is wrong, how can you be choosing to do wrong ?

If you don't get to an 'environment' (say, the Boy Scouts) where you see that it is 'wrong', then how will you think 'you' are wrong ?

How exactly do you determine that a child is 'gay' ? What if they go through Boy Scouts and end up gay later ?

What about boys who are thieves ? Fat momma's boys ? Can we keep them out as well ?

How the heck did this whole issue change from the ADULTS to the CHILDREN ? Is it to keep us from focusing on the ADULTS ?

45 posted on 08/09/2012 11:37:15 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Help. How do I put something in my tagline.)
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