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Civil unrest indeed!

Those Americans who count and pay the bulk of the income taxes and believe in God are the enemy of the central socialist obama government and of his millions of sycophants both in and out of Washington! We are the reason they're arming themselves to the teeth!

Hate? Yes. I hate the existing socialist government of Barack Barry Soetoro Obama: liar, cheat, empty suit, phony president!

1 posted on 08/20/2012 12:14:58 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

That’s a lot of ammo to protect Barry Soretoro’s SS records.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 12:17:30 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: IbJensen

Despite the ominous sound of what they’re ordering so much hollow point ammo and obviously for possible use against at least some citizens (unruly or otherwise), what’s wrong with target range semi wadcutters if most of this is for ‘practice’ anyway? Much cheaper in bulk.

Some gun expert here is gonna now tell us why they have to use hollowpoints on a shooting range.....you know, temperature, wind, barometric pressure, all that stuff....well, then they might as well be hanging sides up beef up in the range so they can train with a lifelike target.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 12:23:29 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: IbJensen

Methinks that all these government agencies buying up ammo is a stopgap measure to make ammo more expensive and harder to get until they can get laws passed to limit ammo purchases by citizens.

Memo to self ...
Learn to reload.


4 posted on 08/20/2012 12:25:03 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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Did you really think they would sit around and watch Americans start to arm themselves ...often to the teeth these past 3 years?

We’ve got a Presidential campaign going that is as dirty and as rotten as they come. They are throwing everything that they can at Romney/Ryan and it ain’t sticking...

America for several centuries now has been admired around the world for our peaceful transitions of power...I sincerely pray it stays that way.


5 posted on 08/20/2012 12:25:07 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: IbJensen

What a bunch of hysterical panty wetting over nothing. It comes to about 600 rds per agent. They have mandatory training twice a year where they shoot 150 rds. Plus I’m sure they practice in between.

I suspect there are FReepers with more than 174,000 rds of ammo.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 12:25:31 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: IbJensen

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2920247/posts

Already Posted


7 posted on 08/20/2012 12:26:14 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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I think this is a government waste problem more than anything nefarious.

First, my understanding is that hollowpoint ammunition is only prohibited in warfare by a treaty that the U.S. never signed. It is completely legal for civilian and law enforcement uses, and, though it isn’t standard issue for military, I think Tier 1 and Spec Ops forces use hollow points. They’re bullets ... they kill people. Hardly a war crime.

Second, the SSA does have armed agents for enforcement and protection — for fraud investigations, etc.. Those agents need bullets for practice and enforcement. Not everybody is happy to see the government when they come knocking. The IRS has similar protection ... because unarmed collections agents occasionally get shot at, and they need armed escorts to shoot back.

Third, my understanding is that government budgets are a “use it or lose it” system ... meaning if they don’t burn every allocated dollar, they’ll get less money next time. I’ve heard from military guys of time spent burning through thousands-upon-thousands of rounds of ammo on base at the end of a budget-cycle so they could justify their training ammo budget. This could be a similar situation.

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 08/20/2012 12:26:23 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: IbJensen

I heard about this recently, and thought it was just training ammo for new policy, but that would have been ball ammo. Why hollow points for untrained units?


11 posted on 08/20/2012 12:32:50 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Are these lead bullets? ‘Cause I thought the EPA said lead bullets were bad.


17 posted on 08/20/2012 12:41:51 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: IbJensen
NRA app
19 posted on 08/20/2012 12:46:26 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Siri says: Romney never met a homosexual he didn't like.)
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This illustrates what’s wrong with government.....social security, homeland security,parks dept, interior, environmental, capital, state and local, FBI, courts, corrections, and on and on. Some of these law enforcement outfits could be done away and their duties be absorbed by other agencies,which would save billions.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 12:52:24 PM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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Is this loaded ammo? Chambered for 5.56, 7.62, .45? this is not good info. 500trillion hollow point bullets are useless. They need powder and brass, primers and a loading press to be useful.
24 posted on 08/20/2012 12:54:36 PM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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My conspiracy theory to explain all the Gubmint ammo purchases is that the Obama administration is trying to over burden the ammo manufacturers. That way, the Gubmint gets the ammo they want for stockpiling and can create another shortage such as the one that happened right after his election.

With little or no ammo on store shelves, We The People will be hard pressed to continue stockpiling and once inventories are depleted, he'll move to raise the tax on ammo to something like 500% so We The People cannot afford it when the shelves are restocked....and probably putting the ammo manufacturers out of business in the process.

It's a Win-Win-Win for him and his minions.

31 posted on 08/20/2012 1:06:55 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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Hollow point? I believe that the intent is to arm the government employees with frangible rounds..

the Obama Administration is afraid that ordinary rounds would penetrate the target and get one of their dwindling supporters. However, they may get splattered with what's left of us.

33 posted on 08/20/2012 1:10:36 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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I looked at this guy's record and it's pretty embarrassing - if his website is accurate, and he was an Army Ranger, an adviser in South Vietnam, and a whole slew of other assignments, he of all people should know that you need a few hundred rounds (minimum) per year per person who is carrying a firearm.

The math comes out to around 500 - 600 rounds per agent. You know what I call 500-600 rounds? A good weekend. A lot of agencies that have law enforcement personnel call 500-600 rounds a normal amount of training/ yearly qualifications.

This guy has bigger fish to fry. Much bigger fish. Getting hung up on an ammo purchase, the majority of which will be expended in training/qualification makes him look pretty damned foolish.

Roughly 75% of his writing is focused on the ammo itself and the rest about why some agencies have agents or don't rely on normal law enforcement agencies.

He needs to be 100% focused on why those agencies have armed agents, and not getting hung up on the small things.
38 posted on 08/20/2012 1:43:14 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: IbJensen

What about all the .40 hollow points the DHS has purchased?


39 posted on 08/20/2012 2:00:09 PM PDT by nomad
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No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is

Lets cut the BS. Hollow Points are for killing, not wounding but out and out killing. And who does the Government want to kill? How dumb does anyone think most real Americans think. When you look down the barrel at one of these King Obama's army I think you might have an answer. When have they put down rioters now?

41 posted on 08/20/2012 2:02:02 PM PDT by Logical me
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Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?

Unruly peons and taxpayers


44 posted on 08/20/2012 2:06:04 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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Ask yourselves how ... these warlike preparations ... darken our land. Are fleets and armies(hollow point bullets) necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling ... that force must be called in...? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation - the last arguments to which kings (tyrants) resort.

I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array (martial law) if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain (this administration) any enemy, in this quarter of the world to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies(deadly ammunition)? No, sir, s-he has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other.

Full "Liberty or Death" speech


49 posted on 08/20/2012 3:25:23 PM PDT by elijah1757 (deadly ammunition,administration,martial-law,liberty)
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I will be surprised if at least 10% of this doesn’t get sold “to the public” in the next 6 months, and 40% end up in another country to help some folks friendly with people in high places in DC.


54 posted on 08/20/2012 5:36:42 PM PDT by wrench
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