Posted on 08/21/2012 7:07:48 AM PDT by nhwingut
There is no way to defend this. I could probably forgive the “legitimate” statement as it would’ve been a poor choice of words but considering all of Biden’s gaffes...
But to then further conjecture about the body shutting down, etc. HOW DOES ANY EXPERIENCED POLITICIAN NOT KNOW HOW THIS WOULD PLAY??!! Seriously knowing the Dem’s planned war on women BS and on and on you just can’t give any ammo.
And for those here who still think he should stay it’s not just the actual words but this shows a lack of judgement that he is not ready for the Senate stage. And you know there’ll be more if he stays in.. he has shown a history of it. I again reference my post above.... McCaskill and the Dems spend 1.5 MILLION of their own money to bring in Akin. PPP is putting out bogus polls with R+9 polls showing Akin leading to keep him in. THE DEMS WANT THIS!!
Sometimes the establishment can be right for the wrong reason. No one is more anti-RINO than me but sometimes the right thing to do is the right thing to do and it’s not wrong because the those we usually disagree with happen to agree with us this time.
You forgot to mention some of his strongest supporters, Senator Claire McCaskill and the Missouri Democratic Party. They dumped between 1 and 2 million into the race supporting Akin, hoping he’d be their opponent.
Also, how many of those people that you listed who endorsed Akin in the primary STILL want him to remain the race. It isn’t as if Akin won the primary and people were trying to drive him out right away. Whether people liked him or not they accepted he was our candidate, albeit probably the weakest possible one, till he jammed his feet in his mouth and said something so dumb that he now has no chance to win the race.
Of course, old Claire is grateful to Akin for throwing her a life preserver. She will win, thanks to his big, dumb mouth.
I was a Steelman voter/$upporter. But clearly planned on voting for the winner on Aug.7. And I will still vote for Akin come Nov. Most will, simply because Republicans (true ones) totally detest Ma McCaskill.
If she gets back in? Say hello to higher taxes, gun bans, and of course Obi-care.
Not to pound on Akin, but I watched his attempt at handling this thing. He seemed disjointed. Confused. He reminds me of a boxer who just took a punch from Mike Tyson. Of course some recovered from that experience. Others did not. Can we risk it? We all better hope what comes out of today's Pow Wow is the right decision...
Yes, they beleve, as most Dems do, that the most conservative opponent is the easiest to beat. They welcomed going against Reagan using the same rationale.
Also, how many of those people that you listed who endorsed Akin in the primary STILL want him to remain the race. It isn’t as if Akin won the primary and people were trying to drive him out right away. Whether people liked him or not they accepted he was our candidate, albeit probably the weakest possible one, till he jammed his feet in his mouth and said something so dumb that he now has no chance to win the race.
If Akin was the weakest, how did he win the primary? I have no idea if the same people who endorsed him, still support him. I suspect they do and if they don't, I haven't read any public statements disavowing him.
You are completely buying into the MSM and Dem spin. Akin makes the statement on Sunday and apologizes several times since then including today. You draw the conclusion that Akin can't win. It is a self-fulfilling prophesy when so-called conservatives jump on the MSM bandwagon.
Contrast that with the head of Chick fil A who stood his ground and garnered public support. Akin shouldn't be made into a pariah for what he said and later corrected. Regardless of how one feels about his election chances, you (GOP) don't handle it this way. These public pronouncements by Reps are a disgrace. Make no mistake about it, the GOP Establishment saw this as the pretext for getting Akin out of the race. They always wanted someone else rather than this "radical right wing conservative nut job." Karl Rove wanted Castle for the same reason.
Re the Democrats voting for him: How do you know that? This is all conspiracy nonsense. The Democrats had their own primary races, some of them high profile. If you force out Akin and a small group of GOP establishment pols decide who the nominee will be nullifying the primary results, there will be a reaction and it won't help the GOP.
Why does that only apply to Reps? The Dems just apologize and move on. Each time we cave into the Dem/MSM cabal, the more it encourages them to do the same thing again and again. Maybe we should advise Mitt to drop out because he refuses to divulge more than two years of tax returns. Bill Kristol and George Will say he should and will be forced to reveal more. Ryan co-sponsored a bill with Akin on abortion funding, limiting it to just forcible rape. Perhaps, Ryan should withdraw given his association with Akin.
Where does this crap end? Trent Lott was forced out his leadership position because of remarks he made at Strom Thurmond's 100 birthday party. Bob Livingston was forced to resign because of a marital affair. In the meantime, Barney Frank can have a gay prostitution ring operating from his basement. Bill Clinton remains in the WH and refuses to resign even after being impeached. In fact, there was a huge pity party at the WH attended by the Dem congressmen. Clinton had his law license revoked. No problem, he will be one of the star speakers at the Dem Convention.
Because Reps claim to have standards. Dems don't. It makes it a lot easier for Dems, but I'd rather have something to live up to. Do you think it would be wise to just say "Aw screw it! We're not going to insist on decent behavior from our elected officials!" How much tactical advantage would that purchase?
Funny thing you went on to say:
Perhaps, Ryan should withdraw given his association with Akin.
There will be more demands for that, not less, now that it appears Akin is taking the selfish route. Ironic. You then listed a few more examples of GOP that have been run out on a rail because of what they did/said. I thought those guys tarnished the brand as well. And the Dems you included on your list just prove that there are differences in character between members of the two parties.
The answer to that becomes more clear with every story posted about his plans to stay in the race. The ad buys, for one thing.
Initially many denied Ma spent so much on "pro-Akin" ads. Akin's former campaign mgr. (Van Eaton) is a $ donor to Ma's campaign.
This is Missouri. The home of never-closing polling places. In Dem areas. The home of beer purchasing for those who register and vote Dem (Jo Ann Emerson's Dist.) The home of dead Teamster Presidents. The home of a hospital for dying union leaders. List goes on and on.
The big shots in Republican Party have just now called on Akin to step down. Not saying its right. Just saying it is.
I'm not dusting off my STEELMAN signs. Yet....
The Reps gain no advantage in their smug superiority. What is the benefit of feeling superior in defeat. The Obama Chicago street thugs are going to destroy the Marquis of Queensberry Reps. We saw how that worked for McCain in his desire to run a high level campaign. No personal attacks on Obama. No questioning his associations. No use of his middle name. The GOP is not called the Stupid Party for nothing.
Instead of caving into the MSM hysteria, the GOP should have stood by Akins, especially after his quick apology. He is a good decent human being as well as being a staunch conservative. How horrendous was that verbal gaffe? Political correctness reigns supreme.
There will be more demands for that, not less, now that it appears Akin is taking the selfish route. Ironic. You then listed a few more examples of GOP that have been run out on a rail because of what they did/said. I thought those guys tarnished the brand as well. And the Dems you included on your list just prove that there are differences in character between members of the two parties.
And this is precisely why the Dems will become the permanent majority party. If they can force the withdrawal of Akin, who is next? I say leave it up to the voters of Missouri to decide, not some non-elected GOP establishment kingmakers. This is pure Rovian. The hell with the voters, the Establishment will pick the candidates. And the most conservative candidate like Akin, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Christine O'Donnell, and Sharron Angel should not be the GOP candidate.
If McCaskill believes that Akin is the weakest candidate because he the most conservative, then let’s have that race and give voters the clearest choice. I just don’t buy the crap that the Dems somehow mobililzed its voters to go to the polls for Akin. The Dems had their own primaries, some of them very competitive including the Carnahan-Clay race.
There was more of a "hint" or "suggestion" rather than mobilization for Democrats to vote for Akin. Draw a Republican ballot in areas where Dems won't win anyway. Ma spent $2 million approx. on ads.
Not sure at this point what, if anything can be done. Akin says he's staying in. Less than 3 hours to go, so unless an 11th hour decision is made, I'll be voting for Akin come Nov. I just hope all other Republicans in Missouri do likewise...
The race will be Obama-McCaskill versus Romney-Akins. The choice couldn’t be more clear.
By your logic you would have been best served nominating a moderate. To begin with
I voted for the candidate I considered had the best campaign to beat Claire. Hardly would be called or considered a moderate. But there is NO doubt had the candidate I voted for won the primary, nobody but nobody would be hashing out what is 'legitimate rape'. This state still allows women to vote.
I voted for the candidate I considered had the best campaign to beat Claire. Hardly would be called or considered a moderate. But there is NO doubt had the candidate I voted for won the primary, nobody but nobody would be hashing out what is 'legitimate rape'. This state still allows women to vote.
I hear your roar dear....but that is a dodge.
if Missouri is so Independent...small wonder...then without looking it up I will guess a stalwart righty like Akin won because it was a very large divided field or so many folks hate McKaskill or it's all a big plot cooked up by Axlerod and McKaskill
using the term legitimate rape can mean whatever supporters or detractors like
to me it's means convicted felonious rape...usually by a stranger and involving aggravated violence and surprise and trauma unlike say statutory which is simply something so grave as a 19 year old boy and a 16 year old girl having consensual sex in the back seat...for the record again...I loved back seat sex way back in the last century
i know distinctions get in the way of emotive reasoning but let's try
you can consider me on record that I do not ...I repeat...do not equate statutory rape as I described and traumatic rape by violent force by usually a stranger with either actual or implied threat to life being central in addition to violent penetration
what would be a better word than legitimate?
legitimate sounded ok to me but yet I'm not running for Senate in the show me state with a hostile media on my ass and pill popping talk show hosts and other GOPE shills and FOX news moderates who stood by as Newt was slaughtered and our dear RINO liberal GOP nominee all squealing I should step down for the good of conservatism and the country.
I mean really...what bullshit. The best thing for the country is they all go to hell in a bucket and put ABR at top of the ticket
and I actually like Rush..a lot..but he is weak and desires access more than anything
The GOP and talk radio are actually less conservatives than their voters and listeners ..sad fact.
meanwhile...I kinda like watching Akin stand up to Romney..Romney is a jerk...comes across as one to me. I don't have any problem with what he said, but I think I could have said it better or just declared no rape exclusion...I mean if rape is not a capital offense for the rapist then why do so many here wish it to be so for the baby?
I'll vote for him but I can't stand him,
I was not attempting to dodge anything. Akin comes from across the state from me and other than Claire's ads about him being a radical right winger I knew little about him. Yes, I knew his 'voting' record, but as a US House Representative and the man able to dethrone Claire just was not there for me. That pretty much sums up what attention I have paid up to date to this man.
My objective since the day Claire won back in 06 was to have her replaced. Guess that would be called an emotional reaction instead of an objective reaction.
Obviously I have NOT plugged into the language of those chosen to implement the 'pro-life' agenda, because the first time I ever heard the phrase 'legitimate rape' was out of Akin's mouth. I am doing my own poll to find one female I personally know that finds that phrase acceptable.
I can only imagine the male reaction had Akin said America we do not have an abortion problem, we have an illegitimate 'sex' problem and tooo many conceptions are taking place.
IF my only option is to vote 'for' him come November to send Claire packing, I will vote for him.
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