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Detained Marine veteran now released, per judge’s order
WTVR ^ | 8/23/12 | Tiffany Madison

Posted on 08/23/2012 5:45:12 PM PDT by Kartographer

A Hopewell circuit court judge has ordered that a Marine veteran detained over anti-government Facebook posts be released from a psychiatric hospital. CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck said the Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held — and the judge deemed this violated his civil liberties. As a result, the judge ruled the government had no grounds to hold Raub. Beck said the judge is in the process of writing an order for Raub’s release. He is has been released from the hospital in Salem, Virginia Thursday afternoon and is headed home to Chesterfield. The decorated U.S. Marine veteran was questioned by FBI agents about his Facebook postings and then hauled away from his Chesterfield County home in handcuffs last Thursday.

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This could happened to better than half the Freepers that regularly post. Many of us have spoken of or disdain for the present administration.

How soon before 'Bama' goons start sweeping us off the streets and into Gulags?

What I just wrote is most likely in the eyes of those who participated in the detention of Brandon Raub to do the same to me. Who's next me, you maybe Jim?

1 posted on 08/23/2012 5:45:17 PM PDT by Kartographer
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Obama will leave Jim Rob alone. He won’t vote for Obama’s only viable rival.


2 posted on 08/23/2012 5:47:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Kartographer

Full text, Brandon Raub’s proclamation: Take our Republic back

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/

Full text, Brandon Raub’s proclamation: Take our Republic back
Posted on: 6:13 pm, August 21, 2012, by Alix Bryan, updated on: 06:16pm, August 21, 2012

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The following text is from a copy of a Facebook post that Brandon Raub made in 2011. The text was given to CBS 6 by Raub’s mother.
The Truth
by Brandon J Raub on Friday, November 11, 2011 at 10:00 am
America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave.
This is the land of Thomas Jefferson.
This is the land of Benjamin Franklin.
This is the land of Fredrick Douglas.
This is the land of Smedley Butler.
This is the land John F. Kennedy.
This is the land of Martin Luther King.
This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can succeed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help each other. This is land where people beat racism.
The Federal Reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of greed and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.
We have allowed ourselves to be deceived and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The Federal Reserve is artificially manipulating interest rates and creating phony economic data.
This thing has deceived our entire nation.
They created it in 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.
There is a better way. It’s called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the freedoms of other people.
I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.
There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.
Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of government.
Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.
We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts.
They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.
This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world’s population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.
These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.
The Bill of Rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.
Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are losing their limbs. They are losing their lives. They are losing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.
They have done some extraordinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They deceived our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!
September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.
Your leaders betrayed you.
You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.
These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate fascism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.
There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.


3 posted on 08/23/2012 5:47:29 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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4 posted on 08/23/2012 5:48:23 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Glenn Beck mentioned this today, its getting on the radar. We are so close to the USSA its..., if only the sheeple knew!


5 posted on 08/23/2012 5:48:42 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Kartographer

That’s an UP YOURS to the Regime!


6 posted on 08/23/2012 5:50:12 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: Kartographer

That would be fairly tame among freeps, who generally hope for a political victory, not a second shooting Revolutionary War.


7 posted on 08/23/2012 5:51:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Kartographer
In my perfect world everyone involved with the original detention order would be arrested in the same manner and then confined in a psychiatric hospital for a complete, multi-day, evaluation.

As long as those who were involved, including the judge, aren't held accountable it will happen again. IMHO, the next time it happens the arrestee will be charged with “resisting arrest” and treated accordingly - its the history of all too many police departments.

8 posted on 08/23/2012 5:53:16 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Nip
"IMHO, the next time it happens the arrestee will be charged with “resisting arrest” and treated accordingly"

Shot while trying to escape is more like it.
9 posted on 08/23/2012 5:55:43 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I have an official document in court records saying that I am NOT crazy.


10 posted on 08/23/2012 5:56:37 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I used to want to change the world. Now, I want to stop the world from changing me.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You want to start that stuff up again? let me say this about that, you can’t prove your boy is actually an Obama rival ~ just more of the same old same old.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 5:56:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kartographer
I hope this young Marine vet sues the city/cops @$$e$ off...
12 posted on 08/23/2012 5:59:31 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Kartographer

The FBI and the the Chesterfield Police Department have declared war on the USMC.


13 posted on 08/23/2012 6:00:03 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Kartographer

Wow! Are you saying he was persecuted and confined for saying that?


14 posted on 08/23/2012 6:04:15 PM PDT by foxfield
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It is tame ~ BTW, the building number seven story is coming back ~ and yeah it was blown up in broad daylight because it was going to fall down on its own anyway so the decision was made to knock it down.

The reason that tale keeps coming up is because of the belief that the WTC attack was an inside job.

The evidence is to the contrary of course.

Some people will never believe there are Islamic Arabic speaking fanatics who imagine they can bring America down by blowing up a building.

Now, does their lack of belief constitute evidence of madness? Others imagine there's a carburetor that will give you 100 mpg. Are they nuts, or are they members of Congress?

15 posted on 08/23/2012 6:04:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sergeantdave

They will lose and it won’t be pretty.


16 posted on 08/23/2012 6:04:58 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: foxfield

That’s exactly what got him locked up something we’ve seen and more on FR on daily!


17 posted on 08/23/2012 6:08:08 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: muawiyah

The 9/11 build Seven line aside there’s nothing in this man’s statement that has been written in post on FR DAILY. So what’s to keep them from coming for one or more of us?


18 posted on 08/23/2012 6:15:10 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

There’s something missing here ~ the judge put his finger on it ~ NO FACTS. So, why are there no facts?


19 posted on 08/23/2012 6:26:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kartographer

I parted company with Mr. Raub when he said 9/11 was an inside job. I agreed with most of what he said and nothing he said justified his detainment (if it wasn’t an arrest). More extreme postings occur almost daily on FR.


20 posted on 08/23/2012 6:27:04 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Kartographer

Someone has some brains.


21 posted on 08/23/2012 6:29:51 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kartographer; nomad; lightman; HiTech RedNeck; Nip; Berlin_Freeper; muawiyah; Wings-n-Wind; ...

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


22 posted on 08/23/2012 6:37:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Kartographer

Nothing. That’s the point. Obastard and crew want us to know they can lock us up for posting anti-obama posts without evidence. Sure, a judge will spring us, but not after some days, damage to career and rep (many uninformed people will only have read that he was locked up, not that he was released), etc. And that will silence some obastard critics, as intended.

Clearly, I and most Freepers won’t be silenced, but we’re a small community (who probably will be left alone due to the number of aftorney Freepers).


23 posted on 08/23/2012 6:43:48 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kartographer

KGB..


24 posted on 08/23/2012 6:46:32 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Kartographer

Nothing (except see below). That’s the point. Obastard and crew want Americans to know they can lock us up without evidence for making anti-obama posts. Sure, a judge will spring us, but not after some days, damage to career and rep (many uninformed people will only have read that he was locked up, not that he was released), etc. And that will silence some obastard critics, as intended.

Clearly, I and most Freepers won’t be silenced, but we’re a small community (who probably will be left alone due to the number of attorney Freepers).


25 posted on 08/23/2012 6:48:03 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kartographer

“A people armed and free, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is the bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and domestic oppression.”
-James Madison

Courtesy TC GUNNER, NY Company of Rangers


26 posted on 08/23/2012 6:49:54 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Armed and Dangerous- where?? who knew?)
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To: muawiyah
Others imagine there's a carburetor that will give you 100 mpg. Are they nuts, or are they members of Congress?

lol, I think that's POTUS that believes that.

I'm still trying to figure out why he was arrested. I don't see anything "teroristic" about what was presented here.
27 posted on 08/23/2012 6:50:38 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Kartographer

great post


28 posted on 08/23/2012 6:50:38 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Kartographer

Did you read some of the stuff this guy was posting?

He was a 9-11 truther who believed there is a secret castle in Colorado where world leaders (including George Bush) get together to rape and murder children.

It didn’t sound like he was joking....


29 posted on 08/23/2012 6:51:04 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: piytar

Ooops, still getting used to the new smart phone. Didn’t mean to make the first post (w more typos).


30 posted on 08/23/2012 6:51:53 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Tzimisce

Um, first I heard of that. If true, then was he a loon?


31 posted on 08/23/2012 6:54:09 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kartographer
Eminem & D12 recorded a rap song together called 'Get my gun' ~ and as Sean Bell, a local NYC thug just recently out of jail and his buddies, also local thugs were going up the stairs from the lower level of a nasty juke club where they'd been celebrating Bell's coming wedding, they encountered some other folks going to the same club and they had some words.

An undercover cop there heard what he thought was a threat by Bell or his buds to 'cross the street and get my gun' and perceived that this was associated with the altercation.

He followed and called in help.

Within minutes Bell was dead, his buds wounded, 50 rounds had been fired by NYC police, and none of the victims was armed.

"Get my gun" was fairly popular at the time and was probably being played on some sort of electronic device by more than one person in that club ~ in the course of the evening.

So, what really brought the cops into contact with Brandon Raub? Was it his manifesto ~ or something else he may have composed and written, or maybe it was the RAP LYRICS he also posted on his site?

The cop who got the ball rolling in NYC was a recent college graduate who'd been a serious law enforcement student.

These FBI agents are also college graduates ~ probably with graduate degrees ~ and probably quite serious about law enforcement.

By now you'd think the higher ups in every law enforcement body in America would have devised a brief that covered the RAP MUSIC LYRICS problem.

Looks like 6 years later the 'Fibbies' don't have a clue. Wonder about NYC?

32 posted on 08/23/2012 6:59:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tzimisce

Where did you get that info?


33 posted on 08/23/2012 7:00:39 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Kartographer

Maybe we can make him an honorary Freeper?


34 posted on 08/23/2012 7:10:03 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Girlene
One mention of 'rap lyrics' being posted on his site reminded me of Sean Bell's killing in NYC. That started with someone playing an Eminem piece on the radio or a juke box, or singing the song himself, or whatever.

That's just 6 years ago so any one of the more popular music playing devices could have handled the job in a shirt pocket!

You ever take a good look at rap lyrics? Many of them are very violent. Your more serious minded cops probably aren't into that stuff and wouldn't recognize it if was pasted to the inside of their doughnut boxes!

We've been through this in this family with a younger cousin posting EMO song lyrics on a website. Ever read that EMO stuff? Some family members got very excited about them imagining they were original compositions and there was an immediate danger of suicide!!!!!

I try to stay up on this CR*P so I"ll know what it is when I see it. Sean Bell was probably killed by little understood pop culture. This young man was hauled off for 30 days observation most likely for the same reason. There are others who've suffered the same for the same reasons.

35 posted on 08/23/2012 7:11:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Found this comment about his postings, here

.........."many of the "questionable" posts have been lyrics from Limp Bizkit songs and else where."................

Never heard of them...and have no idea if the commenter is correct.
36 posted on 08/23/2012 7:21:44 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

http://www.youtube.com/artist/limp_bizkit ~ right side top right note ~ open it up and read on. Yeah, humorless cop meets Limp Bisket lyrics and somebody’s gonna’ get locked up or shot ~ eventually. This young man is quite lucky he didn’t get hurt by these people.


37 posted on 08/23/2012 7:33:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tzimisce

As far I see other than the 911 Truther I saw nothing that hasn’t been posted on FR and even BOLDER.


38 posted on 08/23/2012 7:43:00 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: muawiyah

You crazy, son.


39 posted on 08/23/2012 7:48:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You bin lissen to 2 too many limp bizkit bits


40 posted on 08/23/2012 7:50:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

they be lockin’ yo up ~ en yo moman frien ~


41 posted on 08/23/2012 7:51:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Girlene

Read for yourself:

https://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall


42 posted on 08/23/2012 7:57:39 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: piytar

He was taken to a psyche ward.


43 posted on 08/23/2012 7:58:26 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Kartographer

My wonderment is what is in the minds of those that took him away. Have the populace of the USA become such robots that there is no longer any personal realization of political and traditional good or bad? I often muse as to whether or not some Obamanite would/could come and try to hustle me off to somewhere. I am no more likely to go than as a soldier in WWII I would have let a Jap lay a hand on me.


44 posted on 08/23/2012 8:03:43 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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Thanks. Daily Kos, (I know, I know) has more info about how/where he was taken. Breaking: Judge Orders Release of Brandon Raub, Detained Days Ago by the FBI for Facebook Posts.
45 posted on 08/23/2012 8:11:55 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Kartographer
Full text, Brandon Raub’s proclamation: Take our Republic back

Do you have the rest of his facebook posts, including the ones where he was quoting lyrics from some rap crap about being a killer, and where he was posting about wanting to cut off heads and go after generals? At one point, Wikipedia had an article on him that listed all of his posts that got him in hot water, but that article has been deleted.

It clearly showed that the guy was a nutjob, but not a threat to anybody. The post you quoted shows a part of the 9/11 truther nutjob that he is, but the other posts did a better job of it. I've yet to see any of the truther/computer chip in our brains nutjobs present a serious threat to anybody but themselves.

Rather than posting this crap on Facebook, this guy should have been posting it on Infowars or LewRockwell or WND. Instead of an illegal visit from the FBI, he could have been getting paid to write this stuff.
46 posted on 08/23/2012 8:37:48 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Tzimisce

I don’t care if he thought he had a close encounter with aliens, nothing NOTHING he wrote justifies the treatment he received.

Their are two things also know, one if they come for me for no more than what he did I can’t count on the likes of you to help me and if they happen to trouble themselves with a jury trial I pray that you aren’t on the jury.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 8:39:25 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: noinfringers2

No wonderment to me. Look on this thread and you will find some who are ready to gloss the whole thing over.


48 posted on 08/23/2012 8:41:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Protestant minister, Martin Niemoller , who found himself interned in a Nazi Work camp...
“ When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.”

Martin Niemöller

There, but by the grace of God go I.


49 posted on 08/23/2012 8:47:20 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Tzimisce

Meaningless in the current environment, but you did provide links in your posting history, and yeah, he’s a serious truther nut IMHO.


50 posted on 08/23/2012 9:25:00 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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