Posted on 08/26/2012 8:49:21 AM PDT by Nachum
Egypt has deployed U.S.-made surface-to-air missiles and tanks near the border with Israel, in a breach of the 1979 peace treaty, reports the World Tribune.
Western defense sources said the Egyptian Army has deployed "a range of assets supplied by the United States." They cited main battle tanks (MBTs) and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), particularly in the northeastern Sinai area, between the coastal city of El Arish and the border with Israel and Gaza.
“Right now, all of the [Egyptian] heavy weapons have been deployed along the Israeli border,” a defense source said.
The U.S.-made MBTs were identified as the M-60A3, which was exported to Egypt in the 1980s. The sources told the Tribune that the Egyptian Army has deployed between 20 and 30 of these in eastern Sinai.
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Besides their crews, what also matters is how well their maintenance and logistics operations work. Modern armor (the M1A1s they haven’t deployed) and SAMs don’t work for long without a competent and dedicated support operation. These have not been Arab strong suits, and traditionally much of this support has been outsourced. I’m not sure how many contractors would stay on the job if there was a significant threat of Israeli air attack.
Uh, the tanks are not American made. They are made in Egypt under license granted by Ronald Wilson Reagan. I don’t know about the missiles.
What difference does it make where the tanks were made anyway? They are in the Sinai sent by radical muzzie Egyptians of what is becoming a rogue nation.
Rogue nations don’t recognize treaties made by others.
Watch for this to take place in other countries. Then Iran announces it has a nuke and Israel is surrounded by active enemy armies.
So they are culturally better suited for Russian equipment.
I agree we should put “something” in the electronics that turns everything off with a low probability of intercept RF command.
Sorry, M60s? They still have those? Why? Why deploy them there if they are serious?
M60s not built under license... M1s are.
“Egypt assembled” is probably a better descriptor.
IIRC about 80% of the content was US manufactured, including the engine, transmission, turret, and weapons package.
About the only thing that comes to mind is “Don’t put it anywhere you don’t want to start a junkyard”.
Shrew is a former tanker ... Got any comments on the M60A3?
Don’t believe the Egyptians have anything but a plain jane M1A1. The armament is superior, but the self protection is mediocre at best. The Israelis will come out on top, but it will be costly if the Egyptians don’t turn tail and run.
Obviously these are sitting ducks without air support.
What do the Egyptians field for that?
All of Egypt’s M1’s have been upgraded to M1A2 SEP, and many of their M60’s are being upgraded to M60 2000/120 standard (M60 chassis with an M1A2 turret.
Seen a bunch of A3’s at Cario West about 10 years ago ..... knowing how they care for their toys I’d say those are paperweights by now if not sold outright to the CHICOM’s as scrap metal.
Didn’t IDF get some A-10’s a few years back ? I think they have a few squadrons of Hogs. Also Apache Longbows.
Muslim Brotherhood better reel back a bunch of notches.
Wonder if Assad is pushing this an a cooperation attack so he can blame lots of casualties in his country on the Israelis. He wins a twofer with slapping the brotherhood in Egypt and his country playing on the blind hatred against Israel.
Just a thought.
Their US gear is 15-20 years behind what the Israelis have.
“The problem is that they have better equipment now: made in the U.S. gear rather than third-rate Soviet gear”
If the Israelis would have had the Soviet gear, and the moslems had ours, it would have still come out the same. The Soviet equipment always gets the blame for the way the turd worlders employ it.
My fave story is communist rebels in Rhodesia who left the sights on their AKs to 1000 yards. The logic being that the gun shoots harder to make the bullet go that far. The skinnies viewed it as a sort of accelerator pedal that regulated the power of the rifle.
“The problem is that they have better equipment now: made in the U.S. gear rather than third-rate Soviet gear”
If the Israelis would have had the Soviet gear, and the moslems had ours, it would have still come out the same. The Soviet equipment always gets the blame for the way the turd worlders employ it.
My fave story is communist rebels in Rhodesia who left the sights on their AKs to 1000 yards. The logic being that the gun shoots harder to make the bullet go that far. The skinnies viewed it as a sort of accelerator pedal that regulated the power of the rifle.
Last I checked, belief in God doesn't require the acceptance of Biblical mythology at face value. One can believe in God without being a Biblical literalist, or for that matter a Jew or Christian.
Just wow. Then again, these are peoples who tend to believe in black magic and such.
But all cultures are equal.
Thanks!
Why do you think it is Dubious?
The vast majority of archaelogists and historians now recognize that there is no evidence that the Exodus as presented in the Bible ever actually happened. As Biblical archaelogist William Dever puts it, the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus is a "fruitless pursuit".
Here a summation. Granted, it's Wikipedia, but it's a starting point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Historicity
Many biblical scholars are prepared to admit that there may be a historical core beneath the Exodus and Sinai traditions, even if the biblical narrative dramatizes by portraying as a single event what was more likely a gradual process of migration and conquest. Thus, the motif of "slavery in Egypt" reflects the historical situation of imperialist control of the Egyptian Empire over Canaan after the conquests of Ramesses II, which declined gradually during the 12th century under the pressure from the Sea Peoples and the general Bronze Age collapse.
While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated.
The Egyptians showed an effective maintenance and logistics organization in 1973. Their offensive was well organized and coordinated, and as far as I can tell they were never short of ammunition and fuel. This was of course in a fairly static campaign, where the Egyptians took few risks and made no attempts at substantial operational maneuvers beyond the very short advance over the canal.
The only point which is unknown is whether they could have sustained an offensive that penetrated far from their logistical bases. I doubt they did, and going out on a limb, I would say they probably don’t now.
Arguably, they don’t need this capability to pressure Israel. If they wanted to make a nuisance of themselves they would only need to provoke Israel into an offensive. They have the tools to do that. They have the SAM’s (US Patriots) and aircraft to interdict commercial aviation over much of Israel, to start - they don’t need to intrude far over Israeli airspace for their F16’s to do a hit@run at aircraft approaching Ben Gurion airport.
They can bombard targets all over Israel with a variety of missile systems.
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