Americans, pray to end abortion, an evil killer.
Posted on 08/27/2012 10:03:32 PM PDT by JediJones
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Republican Mitt Romney says he is in favor of abortion in cases of rape, incest and the health and life of the mother.
The presidential candidate's addition of the health of the mother is certain to raise questions about Romney's position among conservatives. Health can be broadly defined and, in fact, running mate Paul Ryan has challenged the health exception as a major loophole.
Romney commented in an interview Monday with CBS News.
Romney's position on abortion rights has evolved. When he ran for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, he backed abortion rights. As a presidential candidate, he has opposed abortion rights and says the Supreme Court should reverse the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion.
In a statement, Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said Romney's position is clear — that he opposes abortion except for cases of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is threatened.
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Good point. I don't know the man but he and his wife certainly seem to be pro-life.
Surrender by any other name would smell as bad. You never tell the enemy you will just stop trying because it seems hard right now. And in fact your assumption that no politician can get consensus on this hard issue may be false, as a majority of Americans now see abortion as wrong. People are starting to realize there is no logical escape from the charge of murder. Why would we be shy about abortion policy, right when we are starting to see the tide of public opinion shift in our favor? It would be like punting on first down, from your opponent's 10 yard line. It makes no sense to cede the field to those who are ok with killing babies for the misdeeds of their parents.
If both are going to die, then your “gotcha question” is not pertinent to my original post.
You have me confused, you seem worried about America’s drifting away from Christianity, and offer the solution of an anti-Christian cult leader.
Your interest seems to be, to get Christians not to vote as Christians, while you express Christian sounding purrings of concern.
I never offered any such solution, it was forced on me. The Bible makes it crystal clear that GOD is in control, that he raises up and casts down, that HE "instituted all authority". Among the options given to me now, in Reality—not in the parallel universe some FReepers inhabit—I am free to choose Romney/Ryan though I am not a Mormon or a Catholic. They are pro-family obviously and from the information I have are decent men. Neither of them promote infanticide or homosexuality (as liberals do). They are politicians and unlike us cannot be as doctrinaire.
Your interest seems to be, to get Christians not to vote as Christians, while you express Christian sounding purrings of concern.
Seriously, "vote as Christians"? Tell me the last presidential nominee who proclaimed that Jesus was the Way and every other way was not? THAT'S Christian. American government is not Christian, but it is a great example of a wise compromise in this present age of worldy government and godly wisdom. I repeat, we are not voting for elders, deacons or pastors here. Be radically Christian when you do thus vote, showing no tolerance for error.
Really, a "majority" of Americans see abortion as wrong? News to me. When such a politician as you speak of appears before me to vote for, I WILL. Until then I'll choose the best option I have.
Options I have in space-time: Obama/Biden or Romney/Ryan. Best option = Romney/Ryan.
Millions of Christians vote with their Christian faith influencing and guiding them.
You are dedicating yourself to telling them not to do that.
By the way, don’t confuse the highest ranking religious leader in American history on the ticket, with being merely a “Deacon” or “Elder” or “Pastor”, this guy has excommunicated people, baptized the dead, and will become a God.
Yep:
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2012/08/25/new_poll_shows_most_americans_are_prolife
Granted, most are still not on board is with the rape exception, but overall there has been a sea change. We are winning the debate. We should not be squandering our momentum on proabort losers like Romney.
As for the “real” world, nothing is more real than God. If I pull the lever for a proabort, I’m spitting in God’s face. If I try to “save the nation” by turning to a proabort who literally aspires to be a god, I become a partaker of the blasphemy. See 2 john 1:10-11. Not going there. From my perspective, the presidency is already lost, barring a miracle. I will focus on fights where there’s still a “real world” chance to win something meaningful.
Peace,
SR
It is the nature of a tubal pregnancy thaqt the mother often dies. The baby always dies. It is still pertinent sice ‘abortion’ is the willful termination of a pregnancy and folks here are saying no exceptions. Is a mother allowed to end a pregnancy to save her own life?
An exception to save the life of the mother is one exception I don’t have any problem with. But don’t confuse that with “health” of the mother, which is a loophole indistinguishable from a pro-choice position.
No I agree with you. Having a friend who nearly died from a tubal ( and who was arguing the whole time that she didn’t want to kill her baby)I happen to think that the life of the mother is paramount-—particularly if their are childrren at home
Excuse me? I'm not crusading here on FR, just posting my thoughts. You are free to reject them. Please refrain from ascribing slanderous motives to me.
Let me address your accusation formally:
Dear Christians who vote with your Christian faith influencing and guiding you: Bless you! Vote as you are lead.
Sincerely, avenir
P.S. Bless you, too, ansel12!
But you are dedicating your posts to the agenda of persuading Christians to not vote as Christians.
Post after post of it.
To fairly handle the text, this scripture in 2 John is addressing false teachers within the church, not politicians outside of it.
I respect your choice to vote as you are lead.
Be careful of slander, as I have explained to you that I have no interest (or "dedication" as you bizarrely put it) in persuading anyone to vote against their beliefs. I have not published any position papers explaining all of my beliefs. FYI I am radically anti-abortion and have zero interest in Mormonism. I also have zero interest in Deism or Masonry but find the Founders who were Deists and Masons A-ok (as far as founding a country in a fallen world goes)! Jesus knew "what was in a man" and did not entrust himself to any. Neither should we. In this world we can only ever vote for another tarnished human being.
Have a good evening.
Look, your pushing of Romney, and trying to get Christians to vote for him, and deny their instincts, is your problem.
Read my previous posts to you, your dedication to Mitt and getting Christians to ignore their natural instincts is why you have so many posts on this thread.
Ungracious and unkind. I have ZERO history on FR of "pushing Romney". I just began to warm to him (as nominee for President, not Christian mentor) after 1) accepting that he is, in fact, the nominee; 2) his selection of Ryan, who I respect though I am Protestant and he is Catholic and 3) seeing their respective families.
If Jesus can state to Pilate "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above..." who are you to promote some fantasyland where only Christians can (or should) inhabit government? Or consider this from Paul: "For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
God is in charge NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE.
End of item.
On this thread you have shown true dedication to him, it is this thread that we are on.
You cannot deny your posts on this thread.
When I posted about taking the side of the baby, that meant there would be a baby.
If you care to make a point about when a baby always dies, then you should not be Trolling me about it.
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