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Marines, civilian police officers conduct urban training exercise(What Posse Comitatus?)
WNCT Channel 9, North Carolina ^ | August 23, 2012 | Tony Rawlings

Posted on 08/28/2012 5:22:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee

CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. - Training at Camp Lejeune Thursday looked and felt real -- and that was the point. Law officers and marines from across the country ended their training with a bang.

Thursday was the final day of exercises for law enforcement and marines who have gone through special reaction team training at Camp Lejeune for the past three weeks. In the final exercise, teams were presented with a series of real life scenarios as well as hands on instruction to handle them correctly.

Brian Dye, Operations Chief of I&I in Lexington, Kentucky says training civilians as a blended force with Marine Corps personnel eases the transition into a real world scenario.

"I think it's always good when you get an opportunity to work on some similar tactics and procedures so that everybody's kind of operating on the same page. That way when you bring teams together from active duty and the civilian side, it makes the integration a whole lot smoother."

The tactics trainees take away from this course just may help save lives. This three week SRT training course is phase one for law enforcement and Marine Corps personnel. Phase two will focus on sniper and designated marksmanship training.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; bloodoftyrants; cw2; cwiiping; donttreadonme; donutwatch; lping; militarizedpolice; military; paramilitary; paramilitarypolice; policestate; snipers; tyranny; waronliberty
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To: yarddog

And that group...the “Dixie Mafia” had a judge in Mississippi murdered and one of the criminals in that group was the mayor of Biloxi, Pete Halat.


201 posted on 08/30/2012 9:29:36 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hey, Okie, I came late to this thread.

Can you send some links to me about what you speak of?


202 posted on 08/31/2012 4:18:06 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Dead Corpse

Hey, ‘Corpse, wanted you to know I just checked out the link you posted.


203 posted on 08/31/2012 4:25:12 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: DuncanWaring

“You don’t need to go back to the Late Unpleasantness for an example.
Use the Bonus Army.”

This comes up once in a while, and FReepers are woefully uninformed about this matter.

American troops did not attack the Bonus Army. The Bonus Army had been infiltrated by the commies. The commies broke off from the main group and occupied buildings under construction in DC. When the cops tried to evict them, they were met by bottles, rocks, clubs and gunfire. At least one cop died.

The army was called in to remove the commies.

During the great immigration push from 1890 till 1920, millions of eastern Europeans immigrated to the US, including thousands of rabble-rousers from the nascent Marxist movement in Europe. You can read about the trouble they caused, including shootings, bombings, riots and murders, on old microfiche reels at any large library.


204 posted on 08/31/2012 5:47:35 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Old Sarge
Thank you for taking a look. :-)

FReegards...

205 posted on 08/31/2012 5:47:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Old Sarge
Can you send some links to me about what you speak of?

It's at the top of my FReeper page. If you want a copy, let me know and I'll send you an FTP link.

206 posted on 08/31/2012 7:06:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Please do?


207 posted on 08/31/2012 7:26:48 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: OneWingedShark

“I didn’t say that.”

You implied it did you not?

“But they sure can do it [the training] w/o the police.”

The police were the ones who developed such tactics.

“See the above; but that also begs the question: do police need military-style tactics? (That is SWAT.)”

In some cases they do. In dealing with gangs/drug cartel members, bank robberies, hostage rescue, counter terrorist ops, barricaded subjects, etc.... All of which are far beyond the capabilities of a regular beat cop.


208 posted on 09/04/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
“I didn’t say that.”

You implied it did you not?

No, I did not imply it; the next sentence in the paragraph "but they sure can do it [the training] w/o the police" clears up my stance to exclude that possibility.

“But they sure can do it [the training] w/o the police.”

The police were the ones who developed such tactics.

Irrelevant. Indeed, such tactics could be developed independently in wargaming scenarios. {An amateur in war concentrates on tactics, or admittedly the small-to-medium group leader, the real masters concentrate on logistics.}

The reason is that tactics are ever-changing, every element of METT-TC alters what tactics might be applicable; also, never forget that the enemy is learning/changing his tactics, too.

“See the above; but that also begs the question: do police need military-style tactics? (That is SWAT.)”

In some cases they do. In dealing with gangs/drug cartel members, bank robberies, hostage rescue, counter terrorist ops, barricaded subjects, etc.... All of which are far beyond the capabilities of a regular beat cop.

Your thinking on this is three kinds of screwed up, probably from flat-out acceptance of the Drug War.

  1. Any sort of SWAT-like action is, by its very nature, more lethal. (Usually for the 'civilian' victims.)
  2. Given the above, this requires much less emphasis on guilt and more on "catching the bad-guy." That is, it fosters the attitude that innocence/guilt do not matter... "and if they do, then the victims must have been guilty otherwise no action would have been taken against them" sort of circular reasoning.
  3. Both of the above, combined, engenders a "might makes right" attitude among jurisprudence, and since government is the strongest (and the controller of the "justice system") then it must be the most righteous. (IE Government action is good & right because it is the government.)
    Thus the classical thoughts of American Jurisprudence of innocent until proven guilty, better to let one guilty escape punishment than destroy the life [or reputation] of the accused who is innocent, and the punishment should fit the crime* are utterly subverted and eroded into nothingness.

* Are you going to argue that they really need SWAT teams to dispose of raw milk? (Again, destroying property before the accused was found guilty.)
209 posted on 09/04/2012 1:44:33 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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