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Rules to double U.S. fuel economy to 54.5 mpg by 2024
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/28/autos/fuel-economy-rules/index.html?iid=HP_LN&hpt=hp_t3 ^

Posted on 08/28/2012 8:15:42 PM PDT by TigerClaws

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To: montanajoe

I had a `70 VW, a `65 too, same mileage, but the `70 burned a little oil.
I adjusted the valves (feeler gauge) and the timing and dwell, replaced your plugs, changed the oil/gasket, etc.?
I miss lifting the hood of a car—or the Dub’s case, the rear hatch—and knowing exactly what I was looking at.


21 posted on 08/28/2012 8:50:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: TigerClaws

Cars will be made of cardboard.


22 posted on 08/28/2012 8:54:37 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: TigerClaws

Obama believes he can break the laws of physics as easily as he breaks the constitutional laws of the country.


23 posted on 08/28/2012 8:55:08 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: tumblindice
Yeah loved working on those old cars. I have a 58 Willey's Jeep PU that I dropped a 289 into, pretty much rebuilt it from the ground up just enough pollution crap to make it legal and no electronic sh*t.
24 posted on 08/28/2012 8:57:54 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: running_dog_lackey

Good point. That’s what they said all right. If it’s running purely on electricity shouldn’t it be getting 1,000,000,000,000 X 10 miles (minimum) per gallon of gasoline?
Maybe Detroit learned how to bottle electricity, like catching a fart in a bottle?
Government Motors: It isn’t *what* they know, it’s what **don’t** they know. How could guys this smart go bankrupt?


25 posted on 08/28/2012 8:59:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: montanajoe

My 69 Bug still gets around 30 mpg...and I can work on it myself, without a garage full of computers.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 9:01:27 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: TigerClaws

Democrats don’t believe their own spin, if it is that easy to improve fuel economy, why not 150mpg? why not 300mpg?

I didn’t build this, ah?


27 posted on 08/28/2012 9:16:31 PM PDT by dila813
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To: TigerClaws

“as it is written, so shall it be” ‘The Ten Comandments’

or

“Twang your magic twanger Frogy” ‘Andy Devine Show’


28 posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:35 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: PGR88
Cars will be made of cardboard.

Obama looking to turn America into a version of East Germany and the Trabbant car.

Although Trabants had been exported from East Germany, they became well known in the West after the fall of the Berlin Wall when many were abandoned by their Eastern owners after migrating westward.

News reports inaccurately described them as having cardboard bodies. This is likely due to the fact that the body of the Trabant was Duroplast, a material that, in East German production, often made use of varying quantities of different fibres, such as cotton, or occasionally paper.

29 posted on 08/28/2012 9:27:53 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: running_dog_lackey
Thought GM stopped producing the Volt?

Plus, if the thing sets in the garage, it get fantastic mileage.

30 posted on 08/28/2012 9:28:31 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: TigerClaws

And what exactly are trucks going to haul with that?

Basically instead of having one truch wholing 10 bales of hay, farmers will have to get 10 trucks to do that and the fuel consumption will be worse.


31 posted on 08/28/2012 9:33:28 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Jonty30
Been there. Done that.

32 posted on 08/28/2012 9:34:49 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: montanajoe

“I had a 62 VW bug back in the 60’s that got 30 mpg. Sixty years later the technology is only able to go to 44 mpg..kinda sad really”

Physics & Chemistry have not changed in those intervening years.

Force = Mass x Acceleration (Cars are heavier now, so that hurts mileage. Aerodynamics are better, which helps)

The amount of energy in a gallon of gas has not changed. Engines are marginally more efficient and in many newer cars, some of the momentum is recovered when braking. However, about 1/3 of the energy drives the car, another third is lost through the radiator and the remaining third goes out the tailpipe as heat. (these are rough percentages. actual figures are all +/- 10%) BMW and others are working to recover some of the lost energy in the exhaust. All turbocharged cars recover a bit of this energy.


33 posted on 08/28/2012 9:36:21 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: LaserJock

“BINGO! The effect of these rules will be to effectively outlaw new cars. We’ll all be putting around in fifty year old derelicts like they do in Cuba.”

That’s why they had cash for clunkers destroy the perfectly good cars. So people could not do that.


34 posted on 08/28/2012 9:42:04 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: BwanaNdege
I agree the energy in a gallon of gas hasn't changed what I find sad is we have not been innovative enough to produce higher mileage vehicles regardless of the fuel source as well as becoming energy self sufficient and avoiding this national suicide of depending on middle east oil.
35 posted on 08/28/2012 9:43:20 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: montanajoe
I had a 62 VW bug back in the 60’s that got 30 mpg. Sixty years later the technology is only able to go to 44 mpg..kinda sad really

Physics don't change - friction, heat etc. What has changed is cars having electric windows, air conditioning, air bags, seatbelts, headrests, electronic entertainment systems with multiple speakers, more sound proofing, multiple mirrors, etc. Also, electronics put a drag on the alternator which requires using more gas. So I think we're doing pretty good getting better mileage with all that extra weight and electrical use. I'm impressed. My fun car is a 1966 Datsun with 150hp that still gets 28 mpg. But I do like the comfort of modern cars.

36 posted on 08/28/2012 9:53:28 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: montanajoe

All we have to do is start building cars and trucks that run on natural gas. Most of the towel heads will have to ride bicycles, asses and camels when the cash flow into the Middle East drops precipitously.


37 posted on 08/28/2012 9:57:59 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: meatloaf
I like CNG powered vehicles have a CNG Toyota van in the Philippines just wish there was more filling stations in the US.

Actually I'm really looking forward to a viable electric, with the instant torque of a electric they would just scream...

38 posted on 08/28/2012 10:04:12 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: PGR88

We will each get 1 donkey to ride to the rice patties and 1 large basket to put on our heads as we travel to work and back..


39 posted on 08/28/2012 10:18:14 PM PDT by funfan
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To: TigerClaws

Try pulling a boat up a ramp with one of those vehicles.


40 posted on 08/28/2012 10:28:20 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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