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Y-12 fallout: winners, losers and lots and lots of blame
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 9/2/12 | Frank Munger

Posted on 09/02/2012 9:55:16 AM PDT by SmithL

No shortage of blame after July break-in

OAK RIDGE — For decades, protesters have gathered at the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant on the Aug. 6 anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, to call for a halt to production of nuclear weapons at the Oak Ridge plant.

A few days before this year's event, they got their wish. At least temporarily.

On Aug. 1, the National Nuclear Security Administration and its Y-12 contractor announced that all nuclear operations at the Oak Ridge plant, which enriched the uranium for the "Little Boy" bomb dropped on Hiroshima during World War II and has since played a role in the manufacture of every nuclear weapon in the U.S. arsenal, were being shut down.

The security stand-down was an extraordinary step, the first of many, precipitated by an extraordinary event.

Intruders hid in the tall grass

In the pre-dawn darkness of Saturday, July 28, three peace-seeking protesters — including Sister Megan Rice, an 82-year-old Catholic nun — slipped into the nuclear installation without being detected. They crossed a boundary fence, ignoring the U.S. Department of Energy's warning signs, and scaled the heavily wooded Pine Ridge on Y-12's north side. Upon descending the ridge, they presumably could see much of the sprawling government plant, including their ultimate destination: the Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility, which stands out at night like a white fortress with bright lights shining on it.

The intruders, who called themselves the Transform Now Plowshares, were wearing dark clothes and backpacks. In an interview, Rice said the three — the other faith-based pacifists were Michael Walli, 63, and Greg Boertje-Obed, 57, both military veterans — hid in tall grass as they watched a security patrol vehicle pass on two, maybe three, occasions before they crossed...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: oakridge; sabotage; y12
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1 posted on 09/02/2012 9:55:21 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”


2 posted on 09/02/2012 10:01:45 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SmithL

Pretty emberrasing to have such a sensitive target penetrated by septuagenarians.

OTOH they should have been shot on sight when discovered.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 10:03:12 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 97+% of the black vote)
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To: SmithL

Was it N.C.R?


4 posted on 09/02/2012 10:04:15 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Romney, why do you have to be on the ticket?!)
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To: SmithL

Why is it, that liberal “peace activists” always target the actions of the United States, without regard to what caused the actions?

For example, liberal activists call the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki war crimes or crimes against humanity, without addressing the fact that the Japanese started that war in the first place.

Activists had targeted America also, for the size of our nuclear arsenal. But, our arsenal was largely a reaction to the Soviet Union threat during the Cold War, and the Soviet build up of their arms. Here too, America is lambasted for having nuclear weapons, without any reference as to why we were building up our arsenal.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 10:05:11 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SmithL

Little boy... the greatest peacemaker at the time. Necessary and needed.

You would have thought that the industry would have created a new little boy years ago of totally different “green” technology.

The electronics industry has a six month curve and we see it in Apple. Every 6 months its twice as good or half the price.

There is no reason why this industry should be any different and, accordingly, no reason that dirty plant should be shut down


6 posted on 09/02/2012 10:10:43 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: SmithL
In a worst-case scenario, terrorists could have gained access to vaults where stocks of highly enriched uranium are stored and used the fissionable material to create and detonate on the spot an improvised nuclear device with a Hiroshima-like yield, Stockton said.

I'm fairly certain the laws of physics say "BS" on this ... they could make a heck of a mess, but they wouldn't get "Hiroshima-like yield".

Anyone else know for sure?

7 posted on 09/02/2012 10:11:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

TOTAL Horse sh!t.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 10:18:51 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: himno hero
You would have thought that the industry would have created a new little boy years ago of totally different “green” technology.
The electronics industry has a six month curve and we see it in Apple. Every 6 months its twice as good or half the price.
There is no reason why this industry should be any different and, accordingly, no reason that dirty plant should be shut down

Are you really that ignorant? Just because ONE industry does it does not man that ALL industries can do it. Or are you expecting autos to be half the price every six months? How about homebuilders building homes that are twice as good every six months? Maybe food production? Steel manufacturing? Solar power? No?

Please quantify, precisely, how the enormously regulated nuclear industry can expect to have that kind of progress and growth within such immediate and constant periods, when their primary function (making an explosive substance) has not had a major advance in decades? (C-4 was basically invented in WWII, as well.)

9 posted on 09/02/2012 10:38:27 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Teacher317

The electronics industry has a six month curve

Technology and knowledge is not different, its faster. you cannot compare it to home building.

Best part? The jews are the smartest people. If there is a way to make anything bigger or better, they are the Kings!

No time for a “teacher”


10 posted on 09/02/2012 10:44:09 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: null and void

That’s what I thought ... otherwise Little Boy would not have been a “gun”.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 10:50:10 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: himno hero
You would have thought that the industry would have created a new little boy years ago of totally different “green” technology.

Are you really suggesting someone should have created a new, environmentally-friendly, radiation-free, fallout-free nuclear weapon by now?

12 posted on 09/02/2012 10:52:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: himno hero

We don’t want bigger, better bombs.

We want smaller, lighter more efficient and powerful bombs.

Who is best at small, elegant, efficient design?

The Japanese...


13 posted on 09/02/2012 11:00:20 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

Transforming something that used to be too big to be carried by a B-36 into something that a missile can carry several of 6000 miles strikes me as “smaller, lighter more efficient”.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 11:03:13 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Are you really suggesting someone should have created a new, environmentally-friendly, radiation-free, fallout-free nuclear weapon by now?

You mean besides a neutron bomb and an EMP weapon?

15 posted on 09/02/2012 11:05:48 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I wouldn’t consider neutron bombs to be “radiation-free”. ;-


16 posted on 09/02/2012 11:09:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yes, we’re pretty good at it, but bigger & better is in our DNA. We were blessed with a vast continent to conquer, the Japanese were required to make the best use of limited resources a virtue.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 11:11:33 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I do not think the Japanese can compete in the brains department for invention or innovation with a handful of jews. But couple them (once the jews have captured the idea) and you will have a hell of a product!


18 posted on 09/02/2012 11:13:13 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: DuncanWaring

Not exactly, but there is very little residual radiation, no major property damage, and little fallout.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 11:13:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1322 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: himno hero

If you put a bunch of Post-doctoral Physicist Jews into our nuclear labs, what sort of improvements do you foresee them making?


20 posted on 09/02/2012 11:17:30 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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