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Guess Who Loves Coal Fired Power Plants
Ammoland.com ^ | 8/28/2012 | Ammoland

Posted on 09/07/2012 6:20:18 PM PDT by count-your-change

While the U.S. is either closing coal fired powered plants or forcing them to change to much more expensive natural gas, Germny is pressing ahead with coal fired generation of electricity.

Has Germany abandoned its efforts to be "green"?

No, but the rising costs and unreliablity of "green" electricity has some German government ministers concerned. Go to the link and read the rest of the article with the excerpt below:

"He (Altmaier) is also worried that his country could become dependent on foreign imports of electricity, the mainstay of its industrial sector. To avoid that risk, Altmaier has given the green light to build twenty-three new coal-fired plants, which are currently under construction."

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


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KEYWORDS: coal; environment
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To: 3Fingas

He’ll have to fight those that want us to ride bikes attached to generators for our power needs.


41 posted on 09/07/2012 11:35:52 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Well, if those people feel that strongly about it, they should sign a contract saying that they will only consume what energy that they, themselves, solely produce while being a human hamster wheel. If put to them in those terms, they might have a change of heart.


42 posted on 09/07/2012 11:42:39 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: count-your-change

“The U.S. is unlikely to build any more nukes in the foreseeable future so that leaves coal and/or nat. gas power plants and as nukes are decommissioned their output will have to be replaced somehow.”

Not if Romney gets in. He’s pro nuclear energy, and methinks the permits to build new plants will flourish.


43 posted on 09/08/2012 1:00:18 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

and those permits will be tied up in court for 20 years by eco-nuts and NIMBY liberals.


44 posted on 09/08/2012 1:04:07 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Red6

“There are only two options that can provide enough power when we need it, reliably, and cheap enough not to destroy our economy, coal or nuclear. Now make your choice in that context.”

I chose nuclear!!!


45 posted on 09/08/2012 1:16:56 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: flaglady47

How long would it take from permitting to actually having a commercially operating plant? 10 years? 15? 20?


46 posted on 09/08/2012 1:22:08 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

“How long would it take from permitting to actually having a commercially operating plant? 10 years? 15? 20?”

A long time; however, you’ve got to start somewhere, and you need a Prez who is willing to get the ball rolling. That’s where Romney comes in. He will get the ball rolling. In the interim, he deregs any regs the EPA has put in under Obama’s regime against coal fired plants, approves the pipeline, and gets rid of any impediments to fracking or other means of increasing our energy output. Romney will open up the job spigot for energy resources on many fronts. Can hardly wait. November 6th can’t come soon enough.


47 posted on 09/08/2012 1:59:25 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Red6
Hydro can to some extent too, near me is York Haven, Safe Harbor, Holtwood and further down in Maryland, Conowingo. We also have 2 nuclear, TMI and Peach Bottom and Brunner Island coal plant.

Lots of power comes out of these plants.

48 posted on 09/08/2012 2:57:18 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: flaglady47

November is going to be interesting indeed.


49 posted on 09/08/2012 3:40:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tbw2

“The smart grid movement is partially driven by the irregularity of renewable power sources.”

I think it was entirely driven by that.


50 posted on 09/08/2012 4:19:13 AM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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Psssst...like nuclear? Thorium investment futures, pass it on. :)

Pros and cons
http://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html


51 posted on 09/08/2012 7:09:11 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: broken_clock
Must be the same Germans in North Dakota, the machines are just as big and “feed” the same way on conveyor belts.
52 posted on 09/08/2012 7:37:12 AM PDT by Gertie
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To: count-your-change
What does Germany know that the U.S. does not?

Maybe the Germans have updated the technology to the point where emissions are acceptably clean. With all the coal we have, we certainly should be working on that!

53 posted on 09/08/2012 9:23:05 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: count-your-change
Even so the cost over the time of building rose considerably.

New union contracts?

54 posted on 09/08/2012 9:25:10 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Puckster
The elite want no more than 500 million inhabiting the earth, ergo, people must die.

The natural extension of that is hunting down and killing the "elite" is not murder, it is self defense.

55 posted on 09/08/2012 9:29:32 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
Union contracts to be sure but there was also the cost of water and rising costs of the one of a kind parts like the three condensers brought in from Germany via Mexico.

It's difficult to imagine just how much steel and concrete and alloy piping goes into the three plants at Palo Verde. Three and four thick walls of reinforced concrete in some buildings takes a lot of concrete and steel.
Plus when the job shut down quite a bit of material and tools were destroyed to keep them off the local market.

Water in Arizona is fought over like gold and Palo Verde purchased “effluent” to treat for cooling water and of course the usual court battles over that.

I heard a one day delay costs one million dollars in each plant. But it's been a few years since I worked there.

56 posted on 09/08/2012 9:54:36 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: JimRed

The “elite” will be desperate to hold onto power, and they will succeed after a fashion, however, at this point in the history of this present earth, they won’t be simply against the masses, they will have an opponent that will be arriving soon.....”God is not mocked”.

Not many rich, not many powerful shall see the Kingdom of Heaven.

It is best to retreat to areas that stretch their resources.


57 posted on 09/08/2012 12:42:00 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: count-your-change
The U.S. is unlikely to build any more nukes in the foreseeable future...

I'm guessing that you are not aware that there are two nuclear plants well under construction with completed licenses in Georgia. Go to the Southern Company web site and watch the video here.

58 posted on 09/08/2012 4:55:40 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto

All the arrows in the quiver...


59 posted on 09/08/2012 4:58:35 PM PDT by rlbedfor
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To: Ditto
You're quite right, I spoke too quickly. mea culpa.

From the video we can see building a nuke plant is a massive undertaking. I'm like a little kid with his Tonka Toys watching big construction projects.

60 posted on 09/08/2012 6:33:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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