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DOD: Gen. Martin Dempsey opted to phone Florida pastor
Politico ^ | 13 Sep 12 | KATE BRANNEN

Posted on 09/13/2012 3:06:36 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Edited on 09/13/2012 8:06:25 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The military’s top uniformed leader decided on his own to phone an extremist Florida pastor linked to an inflammatory anti-Islamic online video, the Pentagon said Thursday – no one else asked him to do so.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video that some reports have linked with anti-American unrest in the Muslim world, a spokesman said.


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1 posted on 09/13/2012 3:06:39 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
I have followed US politics for a long time. I don't think the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has ever phoned a private citizen before regarding a free speech matter.

This is a first. We are all finding out how a banana republic works.

2 posted on 09/13/2012 3:09:50 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: SkyPilot
News on General Dempsey from 3 weeks ago (22 Aug 12):

Dempsey: Military Must Remain Apolitical

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has a message for those who wear and have worn our country’s uniform: “We are not elected to serve; rather, we elect to serve.”

American Forces Press Service (“Dempsey: Political Activity Erodes Public Trust in Military“):

Using the uniform for partisan politics erodes the trust the American people have in their military, Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey said today.

During a discussion with reporters aboard a C-17 returning from Afghanistan and Iraq, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff addressed a question about a group of Navy SEALs who have put together a political action committee.

Dempsey has been outspoken that service members have truly earned their right to vote, and that all Americans are entitled to private and personal opinions.

But, the chairman said, he and his fellow members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are the stewards of the profession of arms, and must ensure service members don’t cross an important line. ion.”

3 posted on 09/13/2012 3:09:55 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

B.S.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 3:10:14 PM PDT by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: SkyPilot

Looks like Terry Jones has more influence in the Muslim world than the DOD, Obama, or Clinton

Good for him - Secretary of State material?


5 posted on 09/13/2012 3:10:39 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: SkyPilot

This is a free country. If it’s not then the general needs to hand in his uniforms and quit. Because when it’s not free there’s nothing worth defending.


6 posted on 09/13/2012 3:11:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Ditto and shame on him especially since it had nothing to do with the movie and more to do with a coordinated 9-11 event with the movie a throwaway to their sheepies.


7 posted on 09/13/2012 3:11:13 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,Â)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

....more like Odumbo leaned on him to do something...doubt that he’d do it of his own initiative..


8 posted on 09/13/2012 3:11:45 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring bigger guns to a gun fight...)
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To: SkyPilot

Finger pointing ,Blame time , even though Obama went to Libya with out congress,Obama owns all this


9 posted on 09/13/2012 3:12:03 PM PDT by molson209
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To: SkyPilot

I just read on another thread that the owner of the company that released the film is a close friend of Obama’s


10 posted on 09/13/2012 3:12:21 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: SkyPilot

President Romney should hand that Obama toady a copy of the US Constitution when he turns in his resignation.


11 posted on 09/13/2012 3:13:06 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: SkyPilot

After being inaugarated, Romney needs to fire this moron.

But he won’t. Republicans are wussies.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 3:14:21 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: SkyPilot

The pastor, Terry Jones did not cause any of this. The Muslims did. But since Pastor Jones is a Christian the libs and generals can say all manner of evil against him. After all, a Christian won’t kill us nor does a Christian have feelings.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 3:17:18 PM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: SkyPilot; Former Proud Canadian

Yeah, “opted” after the phone call from the WH.

That said, it doesn’t matter why he did it. A military official should never call a private citizen about anything.

This is especially true in the case of an obscure nutcase who would have been forgotten after that bizarre event a couple of years ago except that Obama keeps it in the public view.

Does anybody know of any precedent for this? The head of the military calling a private citizen to tell him to not to do something?

Well, maybe getting off with just a phone call is a good thing. If Obama gets reelected, they’ll probably just come and haul Jones off to prison - along with a lot of much more modest, completely innocuous folks who have offended Islam simply by breathing. Most of us here will probably be among them.


14 posted on 09/13/2012 3:18:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: SkyPilot

A US military General directly calls a private American citizen ostensibly “asking” that private citizen to do, or stop doing something. How scary is that!

This is not going to end well. This is unprecedented. Where are the “Republicans” demanding his immediate resignation? This is an outrage.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 3:20:21 PM PDT by Obadiah (The Hunger Games -- Obama's vision for America)
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To: SkyPilot

Gen Dempsey could use some Ann Barnhardt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc


16 posted on 09/13/2012 3:20:55 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: SkyPilot
This is what I don't get:

You can kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims and they do not seem to get all that upset.

However? If you “insult” Mohamed or Islam, they go bonkers!

And, this from Islamic nuts who brainwash Palestinian kids to hate Jews, in their cartoons!

18 posted on 09/13/2012 3:22:39 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SkyPilot
This is what I don't get:

You can kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims and they do not seem to get all that upset.

However? If you “insult” Mohamed or Islam, they go bonkers!

And, this from Islamic nuts who brainwash Palestinian kids to hate Jews, in their cartoons!

19 posted on 09/13/2012 3:22:48 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SkyPilot
This is what I don't get:

You can kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims and they do not seem to get all that upset.

However? If you “insult” Mohamed or Islam, they go bonkers!

And, this from Islamic nuts who brainwash Palestinian kids to hate Jews, in their cartoons!

20 posted on 09/13/2012 3:22:55 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: livius
If Obama gets reelected, they’ll probably just come and haul Jones off to prison

Or send a drone.

21 posted on 09/13/2012 3:23:02 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: bronxville
A society that can be this easily inflamed by words or pictures of their "prophet", or "desecration of their holy book", or a movie is easily manipulated.

Terrorists, like the ones who are perpetrating these latest events should be hunted down and killed. Those who harbor them should be similarly dispatched. Governments who support them in any way should be destroyed. It might be time to drastically rearrange portions of the middle east in a way that is more advantageous to the west.

Historically, the US has not been shy about restricting state religions. Note the following exerpt:

Shinto Directive
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After the Second World War during the Occupation of Japan by the United States Military it was generally understood by allied students of Japanese culture and religion that Shinto in the form it took leading up to and during the war was social propaganda and was being used as a tool of ultra-nationalism and a disguise for militarism. Thus, it was US policy regarding post-surrender Japan to abolish State Shinto (Kokka Shinto). The directive, SCAPIN 448, was drafted by the US Military’s expert on Japanese culture and religion, Lieut. William K. Bunce, U.S.N.R.[1] and was issued on December 15, 1945 with the full title of “ABOLITION OF GOVERNMENTAL SPONSORSHIP, SUPPORT, PERPETUATION, CONTROL AND DISSEMINATION OF STATE SHINTO (KOKKA SHINTO, JINJA SHINTO)”

The directive was based in part on the United States Constitution’s guarantee of freedom of religion. According to the directive, State Shinto was to be stripped of public support and of its “ultra-nationalistic and militaristic” trappings. The remnants were to be permitted to exist as part of sectarian Shinto, an unprivileged equal among other faiths, supported only by voluntary offerings.

No public funds could be used to support Shinto shrines or priests. The Emperor could no longer report on public matters to his ancestors in official visits to the shrines. But he and other officials could worship as private individuals. Shinto doctrine would be deleted from text books. “Militaristic and ultranationalistic ideology” could not be promoted or encouraged in connection with Shinto or any other creed. These doctrines were specifically banned: that the Emperor is superior to other rulers because he descends from the sun; that the Japanese people are superior to other peoples, or the Japanese islands superior to other lands, because Amaterasu so willed.

Thus, the directive was more than formal separation of Church and State. It was an attempt by U.S. officials to draw the line between genuine religious doctrine and harmful social propaganda. [2]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto_Directive

22 posted on 09/13/2012 3:25:49 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Obadiah

>Where are the “Republicans” demanding his immediate resignation?<

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You must be kidding! Their indicisiveness, cowardice and lethargy are part of the problem.


23 posted on 09/13/2012 3:26:09 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: SkyPilot
...an extremist Florida pastor ...

Most unusual spelling of principled I have seen.

24 posted on 09/13/2012 3:27:24 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: SkyPilot

So says a highly political General.

LLS


25 posted on 09/13/2012 3:27:24 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It’s pretty clear this military is intimidated by Muslims. What a bummer when your own generals are afraid of the enemy..


26 posted on 09/13/2012 3:32:57 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SkyPilot

He should be busted down to private and given a few years on bread and water with forfeiture of all pay, rank and retirement.

Let him out on parole once he can recite the entire US Constitution from memory, word for word, coma for coma.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 3:34:20 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Obadiah

This is what you get when you queer the military....


28 posted on 09/13/2012 3:34:43 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SkyPilot
Make it clear that Marty decided on his own to phone, that no one else asked him to do it, OK? Great!
29 posted on 09/13/2012 3:35:34 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: SkyPilot

An active duty military officer, in particular one of that rank has no business calling any private citizen with regard to their beliefs.

He’s a political general and I seriously doubt that this was done on his own initiative.

He is the CJC and every public action or interaction with citizens he takes part in is official.


30 posted on 09/13/2012 3:36:33 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SkyPilot
I have been investigated by the feds for my political activities.

If I received a call from the highest ranking military man in America regarding my faith, or my politics, then I would ask him if he was going to have me killed, what else could such a call imply?

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff does not call a private citizen to express displeasure with his religious or political views, OR ANY OTHER SUCH BUSINESS.

This should be a major story of the decade, heads should roll, the media should be hysterical and seeking blood.

31 posted on 09/13/2012 3:37:44 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SkyPilot

Great.....a lie on top of stupid behavior. This administration is in full panic mode. What a bunch of rookies. This is what happens when you elect the third-string junior high football team (Obama) into the NFL.


32 posted on 09/13/2012 3:42:22 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SkyPilot

General, you guys are fighting to protect free speech not oppose it.

The march towards Fascism continues unabated.


33 posted on 09/13/2012 3:44:30 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: bronxville
especially since it had nothing to do with the movie and more to do with a coordinated 9-11 event

This is the MOST distressing part - that a man of this age, with this position, with years of experience, with inside intelligence information - would fall for such a STUPID ruse.....Does he have a calendar - does he KNOW what 9/11 MEANS????

Just imagine if we could turn back time to 9/11/01 and ask Americans if the events of 9/11/12 took place would you think it was because of a two-bit video on YouTube or the anniversary of 9/11/01?????

34 posted on 09/13/2012 3:44:58 PM PDT by Momto2 (I am praying for Israel...)
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To: Breto
"It’s pretty clear this military is intimidated by Muslims. What a bummer when your own generals are afraid of the enemy.."

They are not my generals. They serve the Usurper.

35 posted on 09/13/2012 3:45:28 PM PDT by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: SkyPilot
Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday

Just who does this THUG think he is ?

36 posted on 09/13/2012 3:45:49 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Momto2

It’s not stupidity. He knows why they’re “protesting”.

It’s called “Being on the wrong side”. A continuum from coward to enabler to assistant to traitor.


37 posted on 09/13/2012 3:47:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dalebert
I just read on another thread that the owner of the company that released the film is a close friend of Obama’s

That would explain a lot. Hearing that the "director" who claimed to be an Israeli Jew was in fact a Christian.

Somebody trying to make things difficult for Israel and Jews? Sounds like an Obama supporter.
38 posted on 09/13/2012 3:51:15 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Godebert

They are not my generals. They serve the Usurper.

good point


39 posted on 09/13/2012 3:51:30 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: blueunicorn6

Regarding the freak in the WH: (and the taint spreads out to all his spokeholes such as Dempsey)

Hussein is a Muslim plant.

He makes full use of taqiya, the license to lie.

The Arab Spring is an islamization.

He protects Iran.

He is a grave danger to Israel and America.

It is a fatal mistake to deem his evil merely incompetence.

Big hat tip to Phil Dragoo.


40 posted on 09/13/2012 3:53:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SkyPilot

The general is doing quite a disservice to this country.


41 posted on 09/13/2012 3:59:38 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SkyPilot

This general is a POS and a threat to this country. He should hand in his stars.

Does anyone on this forum know this jerk?


42 posted on 09/13/2012 4:02:01 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: ansel12

The media and obama followers don’t even think that someday it will be them getting the phone call.

This proves beyond a doubt that obama is not destroying this country on his own. Lots of people in high places are helping him.


43 posted on 09/13/2012 4:02:21 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: SkyPilot

Think of how the Muslim world interprets this.

Our response was that a private American is beyond the government, or administrations control, our hands are tied because we are a free nation, first amendment, etc.

Now the Muslims see a Christian ‘Inman’ in personal contact with one of the most powerful men in the world in their view, the man who leads the military, in their view.

Now it looks like the man is closely tied to our government and power structure, and that he IS SUBJECT to or even participating in government, with his actions.


44 posted on 09/13/2012 4:04:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SkyPilot

That’s no excuse. When the Joint Chiefs Chairman calls you and “asks” you to do/not do something that is intimidation by an order of magnitude. This jackass should have the Bill of Rights tattooed on his forehead.


45 posted on 09/13/2012 4:06:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

We’ve had a lot of duds at the JCS level—General Shalikashvalli during the Clinton years comes immediately to mind—but Dempsey may be the worst. The man is absolutely feckless; first, he cautions vets and military retirees from exercising their First Amendment rights; now he calls that nut-job pastor to express concern about the anti-Muslim “film.”

Dempsey is clearly nothing more than a political hack. When Axelrod and others determined that the Middle East crisis must be blamed on Mitt Romney and that so-called film, Martin Dempsey couldn’t wait to do his part for Team Obama. So, he phones a private citizen to express his concerns about that individual exercising his own right to free speech. Does General Dempsey have a problem with the Constitution?

I have no regard for Pastor Jones. Watching his past antics, it’s clear that he’s in it for the publicity and whatever added contributions it will mean for his church. But whatever his motive, Jones has a right to express his thoughts, no matter what the Muslim world may think.

It’s now abundantly clear why Dempsey got the JCS job. He’s a useful idiot that will do Zero’s bidding, with little thought for what it means, in terms of our individual liberties. Maybe the “Darlington scenario” (outlined in a recent military journal) isn’t so far-fetched after all.

Memo to Gen Dempsey: your soldiers face greater danger from the policies of your commander-in-chief than they ever will from a publicity-hungry pastor and his film-making buddies.

Obama is reason for the debacle in the Middle East. It’s sad to see a four-star general, the nation’s highest-ranking military officer, so willing to cover for him.


46 posted on 09/13/2012 4:08:09 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: SkyPilot

The administration pressures Florida Pastor as Google posts the film in the Middle East.

Got it.

The CEO of Google is mega DNC Donor and Obama adviser Eric Schmidt.

Wag the dog 2102


47 posted on 09/13/2012 4:22:26 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Republican pizza man who only votes for democrats - what's his Freeper name?)
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To: SkyPilot

No word of whether he called the Cairo or Libyan Embassies, the dead or wounded servicemen’s families, regional commanders, his boss,etc. But we KNOW FOR Damned sure he phoned a wacko Pastor in Florida who was not involved.


48 posted on 09/13/2012 4:30:33 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: TigersEye

I retired last year from the Army Reserve. I started out with a Vietnam tour. I would love to call Gen. Dempsey a FASCIST to his face & see if he does anything about it.

“Perfumed princes” one critic called our current generation of flag & general officers.

Gee... you suppose his commander in chief will call HIM & say, “General, you can’t intimidate civilians like that”.

“Not bloody likely, mate.”


49 posted on 09/13/2012 4:38:20 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: SkyPilot

“Muslim protestors have reportedly cited the video as one reason for this week’s attacks...”

There’s that, maybe. There’s also the fact that they are animals who don’t belong in a civilized world and should be wiped from the face of the earth.


50 posted on 09/13/2012 4:42:15 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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