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Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault
FOX ^ | Sept. 15, 2012 | Catherine Herridge

Posted on 09/15/2012 3:41:02 AM PDT by nuconvert

While the Obama administration says there was no actionable intelligence that could have prevented the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, there was a heightened threat in the region due to at least four attacks on diplomatic and western targets leading up to the murder of the U.S. ambassador.

"This (the U.S. Consulate) was a place that was targeted months before with an IED (improvised explosive device)," Congressman Mike Rogers, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, who has been briefed on the attack and investigation, told Fox News. "It's clearly a target that they wanted to hit and they wanted to cause casualties. I find it -- a little the glaring question of a 9/11 date. It's just too many coincidences here."

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1 posted on 09/15/2012 3:41:10 AM PDT by nuconvert
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Stevens & his security had to know this. So, why did they make this trip on Sept 11th of all days?


2 posted on 09/15/2012 3:44:26 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

The incompetence in the Obama Administration runs dep.


3 posted on 09/15/2012 3:45:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: nuconvert

uess they will see saw between Hillary and DHS ..blame anyoe but Obama.


4 posted on 09/15/2012 3:47:00 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: nuconvert

Somewhere in the midst of this mess....I think we will find that someone invited Stevens over to Benghazi, as part of a overall plan. I doubt if Stevens ever suspected he was in danger and figured that local Libyan security folks would take care of him.


5 posted on 09/15/2012 3:53:11 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: dalebert

I think, ultimately, it’s Stevens’ responsibility to decide whether it’s safe to make the trip there. The decision was his.


6 posted on 09/15/2012 3:54:53 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

And Bush was blamed pre 9/11 for not “connecting the dots”.


7 posted on 09/15/2012 3:58:10 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: nuconvert

They are in denial that there are such objective findings as anniversary commemorations of terrorist attacks because that is part of the discarded “war on terror” templte. Why heighten security for a figment of the imagination of deranged anti-IslamistS? It’s a replay of the way the left in this country scoffed at anti-communism.


8 posted on 09/15/2012 3:59:33 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: pepsionice

“I think we will find that someone invited Stevens over to Benghazi, as part of a overall plan”

Yes, he was invited there. That came out soon afterward.

“I doubt if Stevens ever suspected he was in danger and figured that local Libyan security folks would take care of him.”

But he should have. That’s what the article is pointing out. And he should have taken the date into account.
He can’t be absolved of making a terrible decision. He can always say he’s busy and can’t be there that day.


9 posted on 09/15/2012 4:00:10 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

We should have been on high alert for 911 arouond the globe.someone dropped the ball


10 posted on 09/15/2012 4:00:14 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: nuconvert
Indeed.

Between early June and early August, there were at least four attacks on Western targets in Benghazi, including one on the consulate. So . . . we send our Ambassador there on the anniversary of 9-11 after receiving intelligence from the Egyptian government that unpleasantness is expected in Cairo on 9-11 and after Zawahiri releases his video calling for revenge for the death of his Libyan second in command. And our Ambassador has only locals for security - no Marines, no Blackwater.

What could possibly go wrong?

Incompetence at the highest levels of the State Department. What role did the White House play in this disaster?

11 posted on 09/15/2012 4:03:30 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: p. henry

“So . . . we send our Ambassador there...”

See, that’s part of what I’m getting at. He isn’t ordered to go. He’s invited. If he has something else on his schedule for that day, he goes another day.


12 posted on 09/15/2012 4:09:00 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: JudyinCanada

I think the intel department dropped the ball..If you recall during clinton years they were looking for domestic terrorist..ala WACO.


13 posted on 09/15/2012 4:09:25 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: nuconvert

ok lets blame stevens instead of the 2 birds in charge. Obama and Hillary..they should have had intel on this


14 posted on 09/15/2012 4:11:00 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: nuconvert

I recall early reports of a planned relocation by Libyan security, but I could be mistaken. Nonetheless, it doesn’t make sense.


15 posted on 09/15/2012 4:11:31 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: JudyinCanada

>> And Bush was blamed pre 9/11 for not “connecting the dots”.

Did you see the docudrama, Path to 9-11?

I’m beginning to suspect I was the only person watching ABC the night it aired.


16 posted on 09/15/2012 4:13:14 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: dalebert

Should the State Dept have sent out a high alert as soon as they had word as to what was going on in Cairo even in the days before? Yes.

I’m just saying that ultimately, he has the responsibility to make the decision to go or not.
He isn’t operating in a vacuum there. He knows the consulate was attacked previously. He knows he’s working in an unstable country.
Maybe the date never made an impression on him for some reason. I don’t know why he made the trip.


17 posted on 09/15/2012 4:18:54 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
Marines left without bullets ... check.

Enemy alerted to secret location ... check.

MSM scripted and ready for deflection ... check.

Intel meetings missed
for ‘plausible deniability’ ... check.

Company in weapons-off and deep sleep mode ... check.

Islamic moles in position as assistants
to the Secretary of State ... check.

Pre-Hasan Pentagon moles in place ... check.

Soros contacted to maximize his making money
making profit from the coming murders/and rapes ... check.

State Dept. Received Warnings from outside sources deep sixed ... check.

Political ceremony set to odiously use the remains ... check..

18 posted on 09/15/2012 4:24:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis

Find obscure movie to blame the whole thing on - check.


19 posted on 09/15/2012 4:29:16 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: nuconvert

Note the word “actionable” because it is critical. What they’re saying is there was intelligence, but not that we would act on. Why not? Who is setting the rules for action?


20 posted on 09/15/2012 4:47:29 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Why would they ACT on it?

Acting to protect America would hurt THEIR political "halo".

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana

“Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential Transition
(and) served on the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force”



21 posted on 09/15/2012 4:57:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: nuconvert

Along with himself, he was endangering others, including those who lost their lives and Libyan informers who may have had their identity compromised.


22 posted on 09/15/2012 5:12:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nuconvert
Fox news is leaving out a major part of the story.

The attack was a revenge attack for the drone killing of Al Libi, the Lion Of Libya, in June.

Al Qaeda, Zawahiri had never acknowledged the death of Al Libi in June and the US never claimed to have killed Al Libi because they didn't know for certain that the drone attack on Al Libi had been successful.

It was not until 9-11-12, the day before, that Zawahiri released the tape in which he acknowledged that Al Libi had been killed and called for revenge.

23 posted on 09/15/2012 5:16:48 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: 1010RD

As I understand it, the embassies are under threats often and they can’t shut things down every other day. So, they have to decide whether a threat is out of the ordinary or sounds more serious or imminent, etc. Who is responsible for making the decision & what the criteria are, I’m not sure.
I would think it would partly have something to do with where the threat is coming from, and that some decisions are made locally and then phoned in to the State Dept to ask for advice or permission to take a certain action.


24 posted on 09/15/2012 5:21:22 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Zawahri may have released the tape the day before, but I’m not so sure that this was all planned in a day.
If it was, & he was just doing it on Sept 11 because of the date, then it would seem that Stevens being there was a coincidence.


25 posted on 09/15/2012 5:27:07 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
While the Obama administration says there was no actionable intelligence that could have prevented the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya

If there was no credible intelligence, why did Canada move her people out of much of the area and oust embassy folks the week before? When will we be reminded - oh that's right, it was "totally unrelated"...

26 posted on 09/15/2012 5:28:06 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb

“If there was no credible intelligence, why did Canada move her people out of much of the area and oust embassy folks the week before”

Interesting - I hadn’t heard that. Do you have a link?


27 posted on 09/15/2012 5:29:48 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

All of our embassy and consular buildings in Libya had been left unprotected at the express orders of Hillary after the Islamist takeover. AQ knew it was an easy mark, and while Stevens may have been too trusting (as was posted elsewhere, he was a Third Worldist, one of those people who falls in love with a primitive culture and thinks he can help the people in it), he wasn’t responsible for his death.

He had an appointment in Benghazi with officials - he was actually signing a deal and opening a new cultural center, of all things - and did not travel there on 9/11, but was already at the consular outpost with his staff. His aide who was killed tweeted the night before that he had seen the local “security” photographing the building and wondered if they would all be murdered, but nothing was done to provide any more security.

It was the policies of the US government with its refusal to defend against the Islamic terrorists that led to his death.

Yesterday, AQ issued a communique, which I read in the Spanish press, that said that anyone who meets any American ambassador or emissary must follow the example of “the descendants of Omar Al Mujtar (the Libyans)” and kill him. They also said that their objective was to drive US embassies out of any “Muslim countries” and that Muslims in the US should attack diplomats and diplomatic facilities in the US as well because “they had a better opportunity to do so.”


28 posted on 09/15/2012 5:39:48 AM PDT by livius
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To: trebb

After doing a bit of checking, Canada has a mission in Tripoli with about 8 people, nothing in Benghazi.
I haven’t found yet that they pulled their people out of the Tripoli office the week before.


29 posted on 09/15/2012 5:40:31 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
I find it -- a little the glaring question of a 9/11 date. It's just too many coincidences here.

I wish everyone would stop pussy-footing and just call it as it is:

A delibirate attack on the USA on the anniversary of the most despicable and deady attack, September 11.

The attacks were pre-planned for this day. We should be more than outraged!

30 posted on 09/15/2012 5:44:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: livius

Thanks for all the information. Yes, I remember reading that he was there to attend a dedication or something.

“His aide who was killed tweeted the night before that he had seen the local “security” photographing the building and wondered if they would all be murdered, but nothing was done to provide any more security”

I thought that happened just a few hrs prior, because he said, something like, if we don’t get killed tonite, and they were.

I’m afraid the fact that he may have been too trusting, doesn’t absolve him from all responsibility.
I don’t think this was his first trip to Benghazi, and he’s aware of the protection he has or doesn’t have.

It was certainly a very dangerous consulate and blame can be spread all around, beginning at the State Dept.


31 posted on 09/15/2012 5:51:01 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: trebb

The Canadians may have had intelligence, but we didn’t have much. I read yesterday that the CIA was pulled out of all the “Arab Spring” countries, at the orders of Obama, about 6 months ago. This came out because they are feeling unfairly blamed for having dropped the ball, when in reality they weren’t there anyway.

The embassy in Cairo had received a warning from some source in the State Dept about possible unrest (blaming the film!), which is why they were ready to go with their apologetic statement. They don’t seem to have increased their security, though.


32 posted on 09/15/2012 5:57:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: nuconvert

the entire area is a vacume..they should have been on high alert.


33 posted on 09/15/2012 5:59:33 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: livius

I think I heard or read that the Cairo embassy has 100 to 150 people in it and they evacuated it a couple days before, except for security personnel


34 posted on 09/15/2012 6:05:06 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert; All

In addition:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2931351/posts

Col. David Hunt talks about the ROE and other dreadful mistakes.

Plus- CNN is reporting:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/meast/libya-diplomats-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.

Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.

He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn’t good for international business.

“The situation is frightening, it scares us,” Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.


35 posted on 09/15/2012 6:07:10 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: livius

No CIA in Arab countries?????ordered by Obama six months ago?????what is going on?


36 posted on 09/15/2012 6:08:15 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: pepsionice

I’m wondering if Obama needed a subject change here since he cant run on econemy..


37 posted on 09/15/2012 6:09:26 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: 1010RD

What they’re saying is there was intelligence, but not that we would act on.

Absolutely!! The intelligence didn’t have the exact time the assault was going to happen, how many attackers, what kind of weapons. I mean how could the intelligence be actionable without all the minute details reflected? /s


38 posted on 09/15/2012 6:20:07 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: nuconvert

Just search “Canada closes embassy” and you’ll get a few hits. It was in the news the week before the attacks and I haven’t heard a peep about it since. It doesn’t give imminenet attacks as a reason, but the timing is there...


39 posted on 09/15/2012 6:23:56 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: nuconvert; livius
Livius’ reply is spot on. We cannot know every minute decision made in the process, but it's nuts to pretend that this wouldn't happen somewhere.

Obama’s been spiking the ball for election purposes. His foreign policy actually encourages Islamists and punishes our allies. Obama’s ROEs and intelligence decisions undermine security.

No one is perfectly innocent, but these deaths and the subsequent coverup - “it was the movie” - lie at the feet of Barak Hussein Obama, Hilary plays a supporting role.

40 posted on 09/15/2012 6:53:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SE Mom

Thanks for that information


41 posted on 09/15/2012 6:59:01 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Joan Kerrey

What FReepers should remember is we have a country run by lawyers and the language of government is the language of lawyers. The Ivy League lawyers love to weave words and the difference between a lie and the truth is merely a hairsbreadth.

“Actionable” is a legal word. Look it up. Normal people would say, “We didn’t have any information that we could act on.” When I hear lawspeak I am instantly suspiciuos and skeptical.

To say, “We had no actionable intelligence” is to say that our lawyers didn’t think it was important. It didn’t meet a legal threshold - wholly subjective, of course.


42 posted on 09/15/2012 7:04:37 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: trebb

I went back thru 25 Google pages, and the only reference I found to Canada closing its Libyan embassy before the attack the other day, was back in Feb 2011.


43 posted on 09/15/2012 7:20:38 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

It wasn’t planned in a day... Zawahiri said back in April that the place was on his hit list.


44 posted on 09/15/2012 8:36:34 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: nuconvert; trebb

trebb, Canada threw Iranian diplomats out of Canada and closed down their own embassy in Tehran. Someone here had Iran confused yesterday with Libya and I think you may have run across that mistaken post.


45 posted on 09/15/2012 8:41:17 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: nuconvert

We knew the attacks were coming.

Almost 4 years ago when zero won.


46 posted on 09/15/2012 12:21:27 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Every conservative knew the attacks were coming... 3.5 years ago when Obama was elected.)
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To: NoLibZone
That's not true.

Obama Flashback: The Day I'm Inaugurated Muslim Hostility Will Ease

**We will be safer....** Heh.

47 posted on 09/15/2012 12:26:04 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: nuconvert
He isn’t ordered to go.

And what makes you say that ?

48 posted on 09/15/2012 1:46:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Gene Eric
I recall early reports of a planned relocation by Libyan security

The Ambassasdor was in the middle of being taken from the Embassy to a nearby compound which was thought to be 'safer', because the Embassy was under attack. Stories of the Ambassador suffering smoke inhalation and dying in the Embassy are total fiction.

It was during this trip that the convoy was ambushed by two squads of 10 mean each, equipped with RPG's and Automatic Weapons, who killed the Marines, the ex-Navy Seal, several civilians and the Ambassador. Except for the Libyan Security Escort, No one had ammo for their weapons. The Libyan Security Escort either ran, or filmed the attack on their cellphones. It was a professional hit and the 20 men were former 'terrorist' prisoners who had been released and recruited by Zawahiri and the Al Queda. (which is just a label, like all the others, for ORGANIZED CRIME). Significant 'benefits' were offered to the HIT SQUAD , such as new SUV's.

Is that the relocation you meant?

49 posted on 09/15/2012 1:56:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: dalebert
Obama and Hillary..they should have had intel on this

I assure you the 'intel' was at their disposal.

50 posted on 09/15/2012 1:58:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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