Posted on 09/17/2012 9:26:04 PM PDT by Kartographer
While I live the same way you describe, I have heard a different take on availability of food supplies.
The multiple loads to the supermarket each day are for fresh foods: dairy, produce and bread. The on hand supplies for canned/packaged/dried foods is a couple of weeks. In just my rural area, there are 4-5 different warehouses for shelf stable foods. Each one holds perhaps one month’s supply. I know quality assurance people who work for the processors. They also have stores of processed food, again, perhaps 1+ month if they had to supply all the populace in a given area. I do grant this is an underpopulated area, so if there are fewer warehouses in densely populated areas, that makes a difference. Those warehouses are the target for confiscation and will be defended, in some instances. Farms will also be subject to inventory and the government will likely offer *compensation* for what they confiscate. It will not be market value in a shortage, however. There will be price controls and penalties for overcharging. There will be limits by the government put on stores on hand,
Most of our local truckers go home at night. They have routes that can be covered in a working day. Besides farm diesel, there are government fuel depots. If there are hunger riots, this fuel will be allocated to transport food to places of unrest, along with military security guards.
The government itself is telling people to have supplies on hand. Each prepared person is that much less of a drain on the *public* resources.
It will be bad, I don’t disagree. But it will be bad in a different way from what is commonly described.
Except you can't can tomatoes and beans the same way. Tomatoes can be canned in a water bath or even in a solar oven but beans need to be pressure canned.
thanks!
He also says, "You give and in exchange they give back" and life's a happy little tea party until someone doesn't give back in kind (which probably caused the crisis in the first place). He must have skimmed over the Bible's teachings on thieves, murderers and other sinners.
I've noticed that the more someone claims they are holier than thou, the more you have to watch your back around them.
I honestly dont get how someone would claim being prepared was a sin. People have stored food for thousands of years to guard against the lean times. There are numerous references supporting it.
Scary times
Yeah, I didn't comment on that one but thought exactly what you wrote. There won't be courteous, sweet people when they have no water or food.
HERE'S A THOUGHT: About the naysayers who say the govn. will confiscate all our water and food: How are they going to do that when there WON'T BE ANY FUEL for them to drive around gathering our water/food? They have to have a truck in which to put all this water/food they are going to gather (presuming the water/food owner doesn't kill them before they get it out of the house).
Think about how it will really be - there won't be any fuel. Law enforcement will use what they have on hand to try to quell the beginning riots and they do that before they even think of taking our stuff. And, if it is that bad, they aren't going to be there anyway, they will go home to protect their family.
But presuming they stay on the job, and/or the National Guard gets into the act, they will use up their fuel, too.
See, if power is out, they will run out of gasoline and diesel - they will have no cars, no trucks that run. They have finite car/truck fuel.
So, screw the naysayers and don't come to my house ‘cause you get nothing. Naysayers won't have fuel, either, and they are likely too lazy to walk to your house. They will die waiting for FEMA who has run out of fuel.
Yeah, I didn't comment on that one but thought exactly what you wrote. There won't be courteous, sweet people when they have no water or food.
HERE'S A THOUGHT: About the naysayers who say the govn. will confiscate all our water and food: How are they going to do that when there WON'T BE ANY FUEL for them to drive around gathering our water/food? They have to have a truck in which to put all this water/food they are going to gather (presuming the water/food owner doesn't kill them before they get it out of the house).
Think about how it will really be - there won't be any fuel. Law enforcement will use what they have on hand to try to quell the beginning riots and they do that before they even think of taking our stuff. And, if it is that bad, they aren't going to be there anyway, they will go home to protect their family.
But presuming they stay on the job, and/or the National Guard gets into the act, they will use up their fuel, too.
See, if power is out, they will run out of gasoline and diesel - they will have no cars, no trucks that run. They have finite car/truck fuel.
So, screw the naysayers and don't come to my house ‘cause you get nothing. Naysayers won't have fuel, either, and they are likely too lazy to walk to your house. They will die waiting for FEMA who has run out of fuel.
Sorry about double post. It just sat there forever and didn’t go.
Man, that is really cruel. :-) I would have tried to get along with you just because of your super preps.
/johnny
A study came out not many months ago that said women will choose a handy (repair type) man before any other type. In today's world that would likely include repairing/fixing electronic tools like computers and cell phones, plus the usual fix whatever around the house breaks, plus deal with car problems. I think women are getting smarter.
I don't expect I'll be giving up the single, celibate, and sane lifestyle, though.
/johnny
Please comment on my post 47 (think that’s the number) about no fuel for those cop types who would want to confiscate our water/food/preps. Do you think I’m wrong about that? It makes sense to me but you could have a different opinion and, as you know, I give credibility to you for what you know.
Shows what you know... I'm just a cook. ;)
I think your big picture is correct, if details aren't exactly.
Logistics to feed 1400 folks is a big hairy deal. I've done it.
To feed 350 million? Gotta be industrialized. No way is going from house to house, searching for overstocked pantries going to feed the US of A.
Government CAN'T raid our pantries, even if they wanted to. a) we're too distributed b) they aren't that good (see govt housing or education and extrapolate) c) we're pains in the ass that won't cooperate. Even if it's in our best interest.
/johnny
You didn't ask me, but . . . I don't agree. There is a huge difference between no fuel and not enough fuel. I expect that the government (and trucks) will have fuel even if its availability to the people is very limited. Frankly, I'd feel safer if the government was immobilized in a SHTF situation, but I expect them to be meddling, always a day late and a dollar short, and then second guessing what we do in response to the chaos. However, I don't think they will have the manpower to search homes at random. Those who are prepared simply have to avoid letting untrustworthy neighbors know (and avoid letting even the trustworthy ones know more than necessary).
Think about it - from the beginning there is no power to get fuel out of the tanks. They can hook up generators for a time to produce power to get the fuel out but then there is no more to pump and no more will be going back in those tanks - trucks can't run to bring more fuel. There are millions of cop types across the country and fuel will be used up right away. What amount they have at the beginning isn't going to be used to go house to house to gather what we have. Any large warehouses with water/food across the country WILL be opened to truck out water/food - what fuel there is will be used for that and trying to put down riots.
If there is no power across the nation, everything stops, period, and that includes fuel.
A collapse encompasses everything and that includes cops who can't get to work, National Guard that can't report for orders, National Military who, if they can move, will try to safeguard National Security areas and they won't be interested in us peons.
Here is what will happen: My county was without power for five days after Ike. Before Ike got here, all gasoline/diesel was gone and no grocery store had food. No trucks could come here because there was no gas/diesel here to refuel for many miles around. There was enough fuel to run water utility generators for over a week, maybe two, then water would stop and water could/would get contaminated before then as pressure dropped.
There is not unlimited fuel for cops where they keep fuel and I don't know that they have a generator to keep getting it out. Once that is gone, they don't move.
Sometimes, generators don't work: Our large hospital for this area is in my town. When power went out, the generator to keep the hospital running DIDN'T WORK. The only lights were from a small generator for the emergency room. All critical patients had to be driven to San Antonio, a 5 hr. trip. No operations could be done here. All patients still in the hospital, now minus the critical ones, were in hot, dark rooms.
I think people don't realize how fast a place deteriorates without power. What was the job of cops during the days there was no power? They tooled around shopping centers to deter looting. They weren't coming to my house for anything - I was on my own.
Let's say you had a burglar/break in or you broke you leg, and you dialed 911. Your phone didn't work unless you had an old type direct line phone plugged directly in the wall. Your cell phone didn't work, either.
Yes, my power was off but my phone worked, talked to my son in England, had working TV, a radio that worked and picked up two TV channels, and light for as long as I needed it and food to heat or cook, ways to do that, running fans to stay cool, and all that would last a very, very, long time.
My point is, cop types are not going to get around to you.
If they want food they will go to distribution warehouses, and you have to create your own world when the outside world collapses.
Despots historical creed.
“He who controls the food controls the people.”
In Genesis, Joseph prepared for a seven year famine. He was a prepper. You need to understand your bible.
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