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Obama gains in 3 states, Romney one in updated [Karl] Rove Electoral Map [PA now "Safe Obama"]
Investors.com ^ | 09/18/2012 | Andrew Malcolm

Posted on 09/18/2012 12:48:56 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Karl Rove's weekly commentary on his updated Electoral Map:

"Four states changed status since last week's Electoral College map.

"Both Minnesota and Pennsylvania shifted from 'lean Obama' to 'safe Obama.' Michigan moved to 'lean Obama' for now. And Kentucky moved from 'lean' to 'safe' Romney.

"Barack Obama now has 214 'safe' Electoral College votes and only two 'lean' states (27 EC votes). These changes come after a week of heavy polling (there were 41 polls conducted in 20 states last week, compared to 13 surveys taken in nine states the week prior)

[SNIP]

"With Kentucky's change, Mitt Romney has 154 'safe' EC votes while three states (37 EC votes) 'lean' in his favor. The states in Mr. Romney's column are unlikely to change in the 50 days left until the election because they are all generally safe Republican states.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; andrewmalcolm; election2012; karlrove; mittromney; pa2012; twominutehateforrove; underthebus
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Obama definitely has an edge in “safe” states because he has more big states locked up (CA, NY, IL) than Romney. Which means that Romney has to win a solid majority of the tossups to win it — splitting them with Obama 50/50 won’t be good enough.

It all depends on the turnout. The mainstream polls are predicting a model in which turnout is similar for Democrats to what it was in ‘08, or even more favorable for them. Rasmussen seems to be the only exception, which is why he’s showing Romney with a slight lead.

We’ll find out who’s right soon enough.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 1:34:32 PM PDT by Random_User_250 ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
RE :”What leaves me genuinely gobsmacked, ultimately, is just how many hasty, huffy respondents demonstrably have no clue whatsoever that Rove is (and has been) in Romney's corner since Day One.

Funny you should mention that.

One of the gym TVs is set to PBS and last night lib Bill Moyer show was on and he had a guest who outlined how Karl Rove was behind the scenes smearing Romney's 2012 primary opponents like Santurum, Newt, Perry, etc.

My google says it was Craig Unger who wrote “BOSS ROVE: Inside Karl Rove’s Secret Kingdom of Power.”

That was just last night(I think it was last Friday's show).

Naturally this is popular with the Dem outlets, you will never see it on the Republican channel as Rove is a big shot there.

42 posted on 09/18/2012 1:35:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: ncalburt

Useless garbage indeed! What kind of idiot posts this garbage on FR and then takes it seriously?


43 posted on 09/18/2012 1:35:09 PM PDT by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: wolfman23601
I looked at the PPP poll for OH that had ZEro up here. It has been SOOOO debunked. I examined the questions: it specifically asked ONLY about the Dem Nat Convention speakers such as "Martin O'Malley," "Julian Castro," and "Elizabeth Warren," and included the doozy, "Who is more responsible for killing Osama bin Laden, Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?"

Seriously. They ran the same freakin' poll for OHIO!!!! Really? Asking Ohioans (supposedly of both parties) about the speakers at the DNC??

No. This wasn't a rigged poll. Of course not.

44 posted on 09/18/2012 1:36:46 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Okay... but: given that calling PA "Safe Obama" cannot conceivably make his current paymaster (i.e., Romney) even remotely "happy"... doesn't that logically indicate that we should therefore take said statement MORE seriously, rather than LESS?

Romney is not his paymaster. He has learned that he can make a lot more being part of the story makers rather than raging from the outside. Head over to Rove.com (new window) what is the first thing you see.. His book for sale in the banner. I'm not saying these numbers are absolutely wrong, I'm saying Rove has proven in the past that he is more interested in gathering attention than being honest about numbers. He may in deed use this to Romney's advantage to try to create an even greater sense of momentum for Mitt after Obama's numbers begin to mellow out.

//sorry for the wall of text.
45 posted on 09/18/2012 1:38:34 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: Random_User_250
Obama definitely has an edge in “safe” states because he has more big states locked up (CA, NY, IL) than Romney. Which means that Romney has to win a solid majority of the tossups to win it — splitting them with Obama 50/50 won’t be good enough.

We're both reading from the same hymnal, analysis-wise. ;) At this point -- with Pennsylvania (and IMHO, as of right now, Minnesota) out of realistic reach -- Ohio and Florida are where the story will ultimately end up being told, one way or the other.

46 posted on 09/18/2012 1:38:56 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Well Rove dissed the Tea Party and missed 206 and 2010 elections, he regurgitates the polls on Fox with Trippi, even thought he finally fessed up when pressed on the oversampling rats in the polls.

It reminds me of the espn sports argument show which are staged.

I watch how the campaigns act, Obama is ACTING like he is toast. The polls reflect a 2008 turnout model which is a fantasy.

All the polls show Obama down double digits with independents Rove knows this.

I think there is no way for Obama to win nationally while losing independents by double digits.


47 posted on 09/18/2012 1:39:28 PM PDT by Leto
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

People don’t fall for this, its liberal propaganda.

I advise all to go to www.hillbuzz.org and read Kevin’s articles on this very subject. They are trying to depress and discourage voter turnout. Don’t fall for it and don’t unknowningly spread the propaganda, you’re doing the enemy’s dirtywork for them.

We’re winning and they know it!!


48 posted on 09/18/2012 1:40:31 PM PDT by diamond6 (http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/p/catholic-prophecy.html)
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To: HenryArmitage
Romney is not his paymaster.

Rove is in charge of a 100 million+ PAC, to be deployed in service of Romney's electoral ambitions. One way or another: it's inarguable that he's taking the king's shilling. ;)

49 posted on 09/18/2012 1:42:10 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: DoughtyOne
RE :”Surely you jest. The Kingmaker position has already been filled, and she’s not sharing the title.

If she is the one I think she is then the R party has two Kingmakers on the block and I don't think they like each other one bit, and they work for the same channel,

If Romney wins then her role will not be very interesting for her.

50 posted on 09/18/2012 1:42:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: diamond6
its liberal propaganda.

The head of one of Mitt Romney's Super PACs is dispensing "liberal propaganda" against its own candidate...? Really -- ?!?

Have you dashed off a quick e-mail to Romney HQ, informing them of this startling development? If not... why not? ;)

51 posted on 09/18/2012 1:45:28 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Viennacon

Minnesota has a marriage amendment vote; couple that with the Dems booing God and the rural bible thumpers will be out in force on Nov. 6th. Depending on how the range goes, things could be in play.


52 posted on 09/18/2012 1:49:14 PM PDT by gore_sux (Al Franken - Preferred by Minnesota Educated Somali Pirates and Suicide Bombers Everywhere)
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To: gore_sux
the rural bible thumpers

You might want to consider not referring to them, publicly, as "Bible-thumpers," then... rural or otherwise.

Friendly little FYI, is all. ;)

53 posted on 09/18/2012 1:52:27 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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Panic time! I have been since the GOP-E got their weakest possible candidate again. Any of the others-but Ron Paul-I would be more likely to vote for.


54 posted on 09/18/2012 1:54:53 PM PDT by yield 2 the right (2012, the election year that stinks!)
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To: ScottinVA
Ditto for Michigan.

Michigan always has had a big labor contingent. I think Penn has too. Michigan maybe getting more conservative. Some of the parasite class are going to leave as the gravy train is finally coming to an end. "Upstate" (everything outside Detroit area) and the Suburbs have finally decided to stop the subsidies to Detroit. That means more departing residents (most return to family areas in the South in my experience) who are part of the 95% Obama supporting voting block.

Benton Harbor (a majority minority city) is already under an appointed overseer's control. Detroit will be soon. That means the end of fake jobs and union contracts and the rest. When the gravey train ends a lot of people will go somehwere else.

55 posted on 09/18/2012 1:58:06 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Rove is in charge of a 100 million+ PAC, to be deployed in service of Romney's electoral ambitions.

I see what you are saying. I guess my point is that Rove would have raised that even if Romney wasn't the candidate. That money doesn't come from Romney, it comes from Crossroads PAC selling a story that people believe in (if rove believes it or not is not relevant to the point).
If people are scared into donating more because they think this race is getting away from them- Rove's PAC wins.

bah. too much cynicalness for me today. I'll leave it with this, I don't think you are a concern troll, and I did enjoy the article. Even if I don't believe Rove, I still thank you for your contribution.
56 posted on 09/18/2012 2:00:06 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

PA was in the ‘safe’ Obama column before he was even a candidate.


57 posted on 09/18/2012 2:00:31 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 49 days away.)
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To: HenryArmitage
I don't think you are a concern troll

Thank you. My decade's worth of easily searchable postings hereabouts -- and reputation with both JimRob and the mods -- speaks (or SHOULD speak, at any rate) for itself. ;)

58 posted on 09/18/2012 2:03:17 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Well, I’d rather see Romney building a lead in all four of those states, but these results aren’t disastrous by any means. Minnesota and Pennsylvania would be awfully nice to win, but they aren’t the key states for Romney. Kentucky was never likely territory for Obama. That leaves Michigan, which is still a possibility.

It’s going to be a close race up to the end, and Romney is going to have to fight hard these next 50 days. It’s still a very winnable race, though, and I think Romney is starting show some spark since the press conference over the leaked video nonsense.


59 posted on 09/18/2012 2:04:33 PM PDT by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: newzjunkey
PA was in the ‘safe’ Obama column before he was even a candidate.

I've always thought so too, personally... but I thought it interesting that the head of one of Romney's Super PACs publicly agreed with said estimation. ;)

60 posted on 09/18/2012 2:05:19 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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