An excellent motto: "No Representation Without Taxation"

09/19/2012 | self

[ReaganÜberAlles]

Along the lines of:

"For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat."

2 Thessalonians 3:10

Works for me.

[NCDave]

EXCELLENT!!

[taxcontrol]

There is a simple way to do this - change the AMT so that EVERYONE pays 10% of income regardless of tax credits, deductions, deferals or any other means of altering the tax.

[Safetgiver]

I have always said “If you got no skin in the game, you can’t play.”

[TonyInOhio]

I like the one John Fund came up with to prevent voter fraud: “No representation without respiration.” :)

[omega4412]

Or “Representation without taxation is also tyranny.”

[DuncanWaring]

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

-Kipling

[Dr. Sivana]

We managed to get on for more than half of our history without a federal income tax, so I do not see the logic of making payment of that particular tax the defining characteristic of a responsible citizen.

Some folks who work don’t earn enough to have to pay income taxes, but pay more than some who do through, for instance, cigarette taxes (state, federal, and hidden tax through increased cost from lawsuit). Others pay prohibitive property taxes on homes in part because of fed education mandates that raise local taxes.

It ain’t just the income tax. The government tax code is LEGION.

[dangus]

I’m still amazed that DC’s unofficial motto is actually, “Taxation Without Representation.”

[VermiciousKnid]

Been saying that for years. Here in NY, that is considered heresy of the first order.

Regards,

[redlegplanner]

glad you like it....

[prof.h.mandingo]

Good point. However cigarette taxes are voluntary as far as I know. As for property taxes they do not go to the federal government. Income taxes account for most of federal revenue. Is the federal government bloated like at ten day old dead hog in the summer sun? You bet but with the Earned Income Credit many who get ALL of their income tax refunded also collect as much as twice that much as a refund. I don't care for that deal. I started at the bottom and worked my way up the ladder. That is the way it is supposed to work until recently.
I realize we did not have a tax on incomes for most of our early history. I am not sure if we could REALISTICLY return to that system of tariffs and tolls.

[sten]

oh... they’ll tell you that you have representation... you get it when you vote

of course, the person in office doesn’t give a crap about taxes... as they give him/her their power

OF COURSE they will continue to drive up taxes

[Real Cynic No More]

Am I missing something here? It seems to me the nouns in the title are bass ackwards.

[ReaganÜberAlles]

It is “backwards”. In other words: “you don’t work and pay taxes you get no representation from the govt.”

[FreedomPoster]

Yeah, I’ve used that as a tagline as well.

[I_be_tc]

My sign at the rally in DC was “NO PAY - NO SAY”

[newzjunkey]

Oh look, a newbie troll. This has to be among the more moronic things I've seen this week.

"No representation without taxation" ... so, what "taxation" because anyone in the world could pay sales tax or even property tax and you don't have to be a citizen to pay income tax. Do you lose the franchise if you become unemployed or retire? Maybe your vote should be weighted based on the amount of tax paid. Tell us why this 'pithy' statement isn't just pitifully sophomoric divisive class-warfare BULL?

[Dr. Sivana]

However cigarette taxes are voluntary as far as I know.

Well, technically, so are income taxes and nearly every other tax except for Obamacare, as no one is required to earn an income, buy whiskey, tires, utilities, gasoline etc.

Regarding the property taxes, I did include the modifier that local taxes like property taxes are in part used to pay for unfunded federal mandates and also matching requirements for so-called freebies.

One reason why I like to bring up the pre 16th amendment time is to deal with this notion that if you don't "have skin in the game" that you will necessarily want to be on the government teat. There was no lack of responsibility for most folks in that era, many of them manual laborers (farmers, construction workers, factoies). Charity was limited mainly to widows, the handicapped and wives of drunkards, etc. The local government's role was limited, and was secondary to family and church.

The folks who built this country did not have much skin in the game at the federal level, and I would contend much less at the state and local level. Most states, for instance, did not have a state income tax 100 years ago.

Excise taxes (e.g. booze) and tariffs were the main sources, so people didn't see their money go to taxes, anymore than the welfare or (Milton Friedman's) EIC recipient sees the portion of the cost of the new hammock he bought (having worn out the old one) goes to pay the hammock store's various taxes, the hammock manufacturer's various taxes and the textile manufacturer that supplied the hammock maker's various taxes.

Yes, the texture of the game is a lot different now, as the temptation to cave in to the recipient mentality is greater as the benefits increase. I don't think taxing those who are just at the zero sum area (taking little or nothing, but also paying little or nothing) would change that.

I also think Romney's original statements expose a Democrat way of thinking, that people vote only or essentially their pocketbooks. The folks here could be personally promised by Reid, Pelosi and Obama that there would be a special tax on non-Freepers that would fund us in relative comfort for all of days, well-above the regular welfare subsistance level if we would just shut up and quietly vote for them. BS! We are the bitter clingers, and I don't see $$$ in the words guns, God or abortion. Has Mitt Romney read "What's Wrong with Kansas?" Those folks support him despite himself! And some of them are recipients of government expenditures who pay no income taxes.

Perhaps, we cannot yet replace our income tax system with tariffs and tolls. Those are constitutional options that could be considered to make those who want access to our markets pay an amount commensurate with those who are based here, and perhaps build up a manufaturing base to diversify our econnomic base and not make us rely completely on our enemies for various essential products with both military and central civilian applications needed to keep a country self-sufficient.

We could use that revenue to whittle away at the tax code (maybe a lowish flat tax with a sizeable standard deduction, or lowering corp. taxes), especially if coupled with localizing benefits and entitlements (outside of military).

[MrB]

I don’t know if you’ve seen me post that or not. I rather recently discovered “Gods of the Copybook Headings”, myself.

Think about this, as well, folks.

Any deficit spending is taxation without representation.

Any borrowing from tomorrow to spend today is taxing future generations who, inherently, can’t vote yet, and therefore cannot be represented.