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San Francisco To Vote On Apartments The Size Of Two Prison Cells [Hope and Change?]
NBCNews ^ | September 24, 2012

Posted on 09/24/2012 7:15:27 PM PDT by Steelfish

San Francisco To Vote On Apartments The Size Of Two Prison Cells

San Francisco may soon give new meaning to the word "downsizing." Supervisors are set to vote on Tuesday on a proposed change to the city's building code that would allow construction of among the tiniest apartments in the country.

Under the plan, new apartments could be as small as 220 square feet (a little more than double the size of some prison cells), including a kitchen, bathroom and closet, the Los Angeles Times reported. Current regulations require the living room alone to be that size.

Schematics for 300-square-foot units planned for San Francisco's South of Market neighborhood include window seats that turn into spare beds and beds that turn into tables.

Proponents say the smaller apartments would provide a cheaper option for the city's many single residents, who have been priced out of the rental market as the region experiences a resurgent technology industry.

San Francisco apartments rented for an average of $2,734 in June, up 13 percent from a year ago, according to the research firm, RealFacts. The micro-units, in contrast, are expected to rent for $1,200 to $1,700 a month, San Francisco Supervisor Scott Wiener told the Los Angeles Times. Wiener drafted the legislation for the smaller apartments.

It allows them to accommodate up to two people and requires an additional 100 square feet of space for each occupant above that number.

"Although in our fantasy world everyone would live in a single-family home or a huge spacious flat, the reality of life is that not everyone can afford that," Wiener said.

(Excerpt) Read more at bottomline.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: downsizing; sanfrancisco
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1 posted on 09/24/2012 7:15:34 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Soviet-style high rises?


2 posted on 09/24/2012 7:18:26 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: Steelfish
Perfect design for a Roach-Motel-by-the-Bay. The more liberals that can be condensed into smaller spaces the better for humans who may be forced to live nearby.
3 posted on 09/24/2012 7:19:15 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Steelfish
Has anyone heard of Agenda 21?

Those of us who talk about it are called kooks. Meanwhile, your life and your rights are being taken away ...one by one.

4 posted on 09/24/2012 7:22:50 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: Steelfish

It’s a great idea. For single people, the smaller the better in most cases. If I could be sure of adequate noise protection, I’d love to move into one myself. Well, not in SF (I DO have standards). :)


5 posted on 09/24/2012 7:22:52 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Sporke

A lot of people in Europe have lived like this for generations.

They just don’t have as much “stuff” as we do.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 7:27:04 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: Steelfish

If a jail cell is big enough for two prisoners it’s good enough for 2 people in san fran. 220 feet is to big.

BTW Our local Ikea has a 200 some foot floor plan setup at the MOA store. I suspect others do as well. If the doors and windows are closed I’ll bet I could pass gas and blow a window out.

No thanks!


7 posted on 09/24/2012 7:28:03 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: Steelfish

A tiny apartment, smaller than a “studio” with kitchenette, bath, walk in closet etc is called an efficiency, and can actually be nice for a single person on a budget. Besides, no one is forcing anyone to sign a lease, and if they want they can go over to Stockton and rent a whole house for probably less.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 7:35:20 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Steelfish

Might as well live in a Winnebago or camping trailer.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 7:35:34 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cableguymn
If the doors and windows are closed I’ll bet I could pass gas and blow a window out.

In that painfully small space...you'd better hope you blow a window out!
10 posted on 09/24/2012 7:36:01 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Steelfish

I’m single and live in a 2,500 sf home. I have RV parking and a driveway that will hold 5-6 cars. My daughter, hubby and grandkids have moved back in with me.

I’m thinking about getting a large 5th and moving into it with the kids in the big house. You can bet this thing won’t cost $1,700 per month. Hell, I don’t pay anywhere near that for my home.


11 posted on 09/24/2012 7:37:07 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Steelfish

My initial thought was this wasn’t a bad idea. Heck, my first apartment probably wasn’t 300 sq. ft. It might get some kids out of there parents home.

But $1200-$1700??? That’s just crazy. It’s not as bad as New York, but close.


12 posted on 09/24/2012 7:37:38 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Steelfish

$1700 a month for what amounts to something the size of a camper!!?? Somebody is set to make a killing on that!


13 posted on 09/24/2012 7:38:17 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Steelfish

“Your papers please”

Hey, this will bring back fond memories for those liberal NY Jews of the tenements.


14 posted on 09/24/2012 7:38:47 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

“You’d be surprised at the fun that can be had in 220 square feet!”

-Bwaney Frank


15 posted on 09/24/2012 7:40:17 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Steelfish

I’m not opposed to Single Occupancy Dwellings in crowded spaces but wow.


16 posted on 09/24/2012 7:40:52 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish
Good G*d!

Jumping on craigslist I just found a 2100 sq ft, 3 bed, 2 bathroom, house with 3 car garage, yard, hot tub, in a nice neighborhood for $1700 / month here in boise.
17 posted on 09/24/2012 7:40:59 PM PDT by verum ago (Be a bastard, and Karma'll be a bitch.)
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I’ve got one of the awesomest homes in Reno, and I also own a pretty nice house that is also horse property on the north side of town. I pay less between both of my mortgages (and I overpay intentionally 600 bucks a month), than my friends niece pays for RENT in San Francisco.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 7:41:53 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Steelfish

Leftist Utopia = Prison

I have been saying it for years

19 posted on 09/24/2012 7:42:16 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish
I've paid about half that for a room in Tokyo on the Ginza..
20 posted on 09/24/2012 7:42:33 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: Steelfish
San Francisco To Vote On Apartments

Huh? Since when is it a city's business to decide how large an apartment should be? That should be determined by the free market.

Next thing you know, cities will be regulating soft drink sizes.

Oh, wait...they're already doing that.

21 posted on 09/24/2012 7:44:35 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Steelfish

I don’t have a problem with this if somebody wants to live there. The problem is ten years from now it will be mandated. Any body that wants to live bigger will be taxed appropriately. The overlords know what is best.


22 posted on 09/24/2012 7:46:45 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Steelfish

When I was young these types of apartments were called “Batchelor Apartments”. I lived in several of them before, and after my military service, and before I got married. They were adequate, and they were cheap rent. Just needed a place to sleep in those days.


23 posted on 09/24/2012 7:47:47 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Steelfish

Lots of cities made the old single-room occupancy boarding houses illegal when they had become filled with lowlifes.

This is really just a way to bring back a sensible solution slightly upgraded for our times.


24 posted on 09/24/2012 7:50:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SaxxonWoods

None with Bwaney in the room. Unless he’s playing with himself. No one else would fit!


25 posted on 09/24/2012 7:54:19 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: berdie

????!?

In the very nice UES of Manhattan there are many, many , many 475 SQ studios available for 14-1,600.

My gf had one for two years before we moved into a 1000sqft 2bed two full path with 15X7 foot terrace.

I’ve been blessed to afford that with two incomes, but you’re figures are way off sir.


26 posted on 09/24/2012 7:54:33 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Want to join my new country in Greenland? Like the Danes will stop us; pft!)
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To: Steelfish

No one is forcing people into these units (yet). If I were single in a city, I’d consider it - relative to having roommates. It’s just a different lifestyle.

I think the idea of forcing units to be a minimum size goes against basic property rights, in my opinion.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 7:55:04 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Steelfish
Proponents say the smaller apartments would provide a cheaper option for the city's many single residents, who have been priced out of the rental market as the region experiences a resurgent technology industry.

Glorified barracks housing for servant help.

28 posted on 09/24/2012 7:55:11 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: 9YearLurker

until they become filled with lowlifes...

History will repeat its self.


29 posted on 09/24/2012 7:56:32 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: Leaning Right

Thomas Sowell has written about the CA real estate market and how zoning laws really crank up the cost of housing in the greater SF area.

People are upset with Bloomberg for looking to make the zoning more lenient in NYC so smaller apartments can be built. I believe the average cost of a 1-bedroom rental in Manhattan is now over $3,000 a month.


30 posted on 09/24/2012 7:57:20 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Steelfish

Oh for cryin out loud!!! my kitchen is bigger than that !!!!


31 posted on 09/24/2012 7:59:04 PM PDT by blastdad51 (Typical middle-aged white patriot.)
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To: 2111USMC

The biggest downside for me would be the lack of yard work. I’m a bit like Hank Hill, I do enjoy mowing and such.

I do think Americans are a bit too spoiled when it comes to apts/homes. Not everyone needs a 3 bedroom, 8 1/2 bath apt or house.


32 posted on 09/24/2012 8:00:16 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: 2111USMC

“A lot of people in Europe have lived like this for generations.”

So have rabbits and chickens!!!!


33 posted on 09/24/2012 8:01:05 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: 9YearLurker

wow.. I have .33 acres of land, a 1700 square foot home AND 20 feet of lake front on a 1800 acre lake and I pay 1/3 of that.

And my payments end... Rent just goes on and on and on (and up!)


34 posted on 09/24/2012 8:02:10 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: Sporke

no one “needs” a larger home.

We WANT a larger home.

As long as we are paying the bill who case what we buy with our money? (or borrowed money with agreed terms)

I could live in 420 square feet with my wife and 2 kids.

I’d probably jump out the window at some point. But I guess I could.. for a while..


35 posted on 09/24/2012 8:04:41 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: Steelfish

None of their business. If someone wants to rent 100 sq ft, and someone will lease it, let ‘em. There’s rather an active community of “tiny home” afficianados. If you’re not one, respect that others are.


36 posted on 09/24/2012 8:05:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

While Sen. Feinstein has a massive mansion overlooking the SF Golden Gate Bridge!


37 posted on 09/24/2012 8:05:44 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

You could take a crap, cook supper, and do laundry all without getting off the toilet.


38 posted on 09/24/2012 8:06:14 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: dalereed
So have rabbits and chickens!!!!

LOL!

39 posted on 09/24/2012 8:09:22 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: GeronL

Ah, so when I revoked her bond this afternoon, my ex is moving to Leftist utopia. I will remind her of this fact when I get that expletive filled phone call from jail Thursday. She is an Obama lover, that should work out well for her lol.


40 posted on 09/24/2012 8:21:26 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Sporke

Do you have urinary problems? 3 bedroom, 8.5 bath house lol


41 posted on 09/24/2012 8:23:02 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
I certainly meant no offense.

I have several friends that live in Manhattan. Well actually one did move to a cheaper area. I have gone to visit and they tell me availability of apartments is an issue. I guess do the area I live in, the prices seem exorbitant. Much like the west coast.

I see you didn't mention the location or monthly rental of the 1,000 ft apartment. I am genuinely curious...what is it if you don't mind sharing?

42 posted on 09/24/2012 8:23:19 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Steelfish

I recently read an article similar to this. For New York City.

Is this part of Agenda 21? Seems like it would fit.


43 posted on 09/24/2012 8:24:13 PM PDT by upchuck (If nobama is reelected and gets to choose more SCOTUS judges, this country is finished.)
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To: Steelfish
300 square feet? Sheesh, a veritable palace. San Fran has a long way to go to catch up to Tokyo...


44 posted on 09/24/2012 8:30:33 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: When do we get liberated?

lol


45 posted on 09/24/2012 8:41:17 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

Movin on up, to the eastside!


46 posted on 09/24/2012 8:42:26 PM PDT by FishinTX (Barak Obama HATES you.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The Little Government That Could

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlMFWmotSU


47 posted on 09/24/2012 8:43:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Future prisons?


48 posted on 09/24/2012 8:47:57 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

Had a friend who.lived in a place like that in Sunnyvale.


49 posted on 09/24/2012 8:49:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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90 sq feet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZSdrtEqcHU

450 sq feet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RbxkrmuQ5E

Living in a garbage truck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxzBkz6a_g&feature=related

I agree with a previous poster that big cities used to have rooming houses where a single person could live at reasonable rates. Those are pretty much gone. Besides, no one has a gun to your head.


50 posted on 09/24/2012 8:59:30 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, store food, pray for the Republic.)
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