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It's Over! (Media Polls in the tank for Obama shows that he is actually losing)
American Thinker ^ | 09/28/2012 | By William L. Gensert

Posted on 09/28/2012 5:15:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Give up -- Barack Obama has won. With the election only weeks away, it is clear from recent swing state polling that Mitt Romney has lost this election. According to the Quinnipiac numbers, in the battleground states of Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, the president is ahead by 10%, 9% and 12%, respectively.

Romney can't win. Just ask any journalist or newscasters. He is toast -- stick a fork in him.

Bull...

If anything, the closer we get to Election Day, the more apparent it is that Obama is not only losing, but losing big. The Obama campaign, and by "campaign" I mean members of the media and polling organizations, is trying to convince prospective Romney voters to believe that all is lost -- in which case, they hope, we will stay home.

But just because they say so, that doesn't make it true.

Everyone knew from the outset that Obama, with his sad record of continuous failure on almost every front, was going to air out his inner bitterness and envy, and campaign negatively. But did anyone suspect that his sole hope for victory would rest on trying to suppress the vote of his opponent with naked media bias and polling -- most of which assumes a higher Democrat turnout than in 2008, when the electorate, many Republicans included, swallowed whole Obama's vision of "hope and change"?

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 09/28/2012 5:15:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Are you counting Fox in that “media in the tank”..Their polling released this AM shows Obama +5.


2 posted on 09/28/2012 5:19:46 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

Yes, the Fox is “in the tank.” Their polls are among the worst. I wish they would hire someone decent to them, like Rasmussen.


3 posted on 09/28/2012 5:22:52 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: joesbucks

good question..FOX seems to be heading left ..with all the used up has been msm pesonalities they have been hiring..a bunch of juan williams and worse.I had to stop waching


4 posted on 09/28/2012 5:24:19 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: joesbucks

Lets consider if 2008 was the pinnacle status of the United States of America. What would you do? How will it effect all your life?

I believe the pinnacle of human history 0000 year 0 month 0 day 0!!!!

Lets consider the world knows it time based on Christ’s life....


5 posted on 09/28/2012 5:25:50 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: SeekAndFind
(Obama's Libya Lies Collapse: Senate Democrats Demand Answers)


It's Over! (Media Polls in the tank for Obama shows that he is actually losing)

Second-quarter U.S. growth cut to 1.3% (There is no and has been no "recovery")







REALLY REALLY MISS ME YET ???

6 posted on 09/28/2012 5:27:20 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: SeekAndFind

I sure like the confidence of this piece, and the comments afterwards.....I hope it is confidence that is rightly placed.


7 posted on 09/28/2012 5:29:16 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Baseballguy

I just asked if Fox is in the tank for Obama since their polling shows him being +5.


8 posted on 09/28/2012 5:30:11 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
If you want to throw in towel, by all means do so, but please take it somewhere else, thank you.
9 posted on 09/28/2012 5:32:04 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: WashingtonSource

There are NO decent pollsters. They are media whores in the bag for whomever hires them. Poll questions, demographics and the population polled are tinkered with and massaged until they show the results desired by the paying client. Polls are 100% useless in my book. You are better off composing your own question and making 100 random calls...at least you’ll save yourself a bundle.


10 posted on 09/28/2012 5:32:11 AM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: WashingtonSource

They do seem have Rasmussen on, especially Hannity’s show. Why they didn’t team with him for polling is a mystery. It’s funny how Bozell doesn’t go after Fox’s polling as being biased, but he will CNN’s when their polling shows similar results.


11 posted on 09/28/2012 5:32:31 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SeekAndFind
Did anyone suspect what?

I've been on top of that prospect for most of a year ~ ever since someone revealed Romney had some financial resources outside his traditional Boston crowd and his Bain cronies.

Of course Obamugabe has to campaign on suppressing the Republican vote ~ that's always been the case. The reason is simple HIS POPULARITY is in steep decline and has been for nearly 3 years ever since the details of Obamakkkare began surfacing.

Obamugabe was elected after a massive voter registration and get out the vote campaign that moved historic numbers of people to the polls. He got 69 million votes! The Republicans got out only 59 million ~ not even an historic high for them.

The Democrats can waste several million votes ~ 10 million of them ~ if the Republicans only do as well as they did in 2008.

But he may already have wasted those voters but he has an ace in the hole ~ an unpopular Republican to run against, but he's not so unpopular that he can't do as well as McCain ~ yet, the Democrats need a bigger margin, so the solution is to discourage Republican voters. The poll thing is symptomatic, but it is not determinative. Democrats may well think it is, but it isn't. Most folks have become leery of polls, but it was noted just yesterday by one of the network talking heads, and also by Mark Levin, that we've had more polls this year already than in all other presidential campaigns in the last century.

Polls are so numerous because they are no longer effective in persuading voters to show up or not show up, or to vote for one candidate or the other. We are finally immune to their siren call.

So, what other idea do the Democrats have? Maybe they figure they have an edge in the debates, maybe not. Keep your eyes open. Then there's the phenomenon where the GOP-e early own discouraged Conservative participation in the campaign, and presumably in the election itself ~ they know what they did ~ and it may well discourage some people from voting ~ they certainly think so now. That particular activity was made at a time when they imagined their boy Romney would only become more popular with time. That he became less popular and more disliked wasn't in the cards, but the Democrats didn't plan on that with Obamugabe either.

The pros have lost their sharpness and now both sides have only one trick left in the bag ~ to discourage voters from showing up.

I"m showing up anyway, and I"ll vote how I wish and neither the Obamabots nor the Mittbots can change my mind with their dire threats of impending doom or cities burning.

Let 'em burn if it comes to that. I don't live there.

12 posted on 09/28/2012 5:33:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: American Constitutionalist
That's just great!

I've missed Tricky Dick since the day he flew off in a helicopter over my office into history. We could see him wave!

13 posted on 09/28/2012 5:35:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Perdogg

Whoa there. Who said anything about throwing in the towel? I asked if Fox’s polling is in the tank for Obama since it is showing a favorable result toward Obama. Never said anything about throwing in the towel. If the polls reflect the reality of the moment, then people better get working. You’re circling the wagons around the wrong thing. I’m not your problem. The undecideds are.


14 posted on 09/28/2012 5:35:51 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

Fox polling actually stinks and have for a long time.


15 posted on 09/28/2012 5:36:25 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: muawiyah
We could see him wave!

Cool.

16 posted on 09/28/2012 5:37:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe the MSM (including FNC) are trying to make this race more interesting (more viewers) than it is by intentionally quoting these bogus polls. Shame on them. Their already tarnished reputation is only going to get worse.

The good news is that since they have to try to make this race close is great news for Romney. I imagine his internal polling is much more optimistic.

Barring massive election fraud (which could happen) the Kenyan is going down. Maybe in historic numbers.


17 posted on 09/28/2012 5:37:43 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local Republican candidates. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: joesbucks
Are you counting Fox in that “media in the tank”..Their polling released this AM shows Obama +5.

FOX is playing that "fair and balanced" thing of theirs, and they don't want to be accused of being biased by the rest of the media and Obama and company.

Right now, Obama might be showing a "large" lead with FOX, but, as the election gets closer, FOX will have to show truer numbers, meaning that, Obama's lead will have dwindled to nothing, or he will be behind.
18 posted on 09/28/2012 5:38:38 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Perdogg

I wish people would go over to therightschoop.com and get the new PA GOP television ad posted there and help it go viral. It’s one of the best ads put together yet this season.


19 posted on 09/28/2012 5:39:34 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: mwl8787

therightscoop.com

typo. check out the PA GOP commercial.


20 posted on 09/28/2012 5:40:22 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: WashingtonSource

People on Fox, just like everywhere else, after a while get tired of being made fun of and ostracized by the “really smart people”.


21 posted on 09/28/2012 5:41:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to flip the message...Obama won..no need for democrats to vote now!


22 posted on 09/28/2012 5:41:13 AM PDT by PLM
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To: McGruff

The MSM in competition for ratings by lying ?


23 posted on 09/28/2012 5:42:47 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: SeekAndFind

you are losing
no, you are losing

this is stupid


24 posted on 09/28/2012 5:44:00 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: McGruff
Seriously, it's a race to the bottom, and the polls, when they change, do so in quantum fashion ~ first one of them lurches down, then the other, and the pollsters rejust the situation and toss out more and more nonresponsive nonresponses (the "go away don't bother me" folks).

I predicted over a year ago what the polls would look like if the candidates managed to become more unpopular.

And that's what's happening.

Romney's big problem is he doesn't have a campaign yet ~ and Obama's is simpler ~ he's a total doufous who's been hornswaggled by a bunch of desert bedouin ~ I think they call themselves A-rabs, and that means "thieves" (according to their enemies of course)

Even his bedbunnies are turning on him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see barely more than 100 million voters show up and pull the lever for president this time.

25 posted on 09/28/2012 5:44:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mwl8787

I follow Right scoop on twitter, so I will retwitt it.


26 posted on 09/28/2012 5:48:48 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: dalebert

Fox is owned by Muslims.


27 posted on 09/28/2012 5:52:20 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: dalebert

There is no honest broadcast or cable network. Do not get your news from any of the nets. Find honest sources on the internet and monitor them for change in ownership or direction.

Lies everywhere.


28 posted on 09/28/2012 5:55:37 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: muawiyah
He got 69 million votes!

Uh, no. 62 million. A lot of fools, but not 10 million more fools than McPain.

29 posted on 09/28/2012 6:00:05 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: joesbucks
It’s funny how Bozell doesn’t go after Fox’s polling as being biased, but he will CNN’s when their polling shows similar results.

It's not the results that Bozell and other Conservative critics go after, but the sampling models which predetermine the ratios of demographic groups that are surveyed. When 2012 polls presuppose the same turnout ratios as 2008 - while ignoring 2000, 2004 and especially 2010 - it is a clear indication of intentional skewing toward Obama. The level of Democrat oversampling is absurd.

30 posted on 09/28/2012 6:01:19 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: yldstrk

The last few elections they have started to pre validate everyones candidate.

I think the voting should not be one day. It should be a month and you can change your vote at anytime during that month. It should be in a database where its public and open.

There is no reason for this to be hidden!


31 posted on 09/28/2012 6:02:41 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
in 2008 the popular vote was 69,456,897 for obama and 59,934,814 for mccain.

In 2004 the popular vote was 62,040,610 for Bush and 59,028,444 for Lurch.

32 posted on 09/28/2012 6:05:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That was my confusion.


33 posted on 09/28/2012 6:09:05 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Four years ago we were hearing a lot of the same “the polls are biased! The lame Republican is gonna win!” rhetoric.

Pollsters are in the business of being _correct_, and I don’t mean politically. If they say Obama is going to win, you’d best take that at face value and get busy convincing voters to pick Romney, or to stay home if they won’t.

Uninspiring candidates don’t win.
Amazing what just buying someone a phone will do.


34 posted on 09/28/2012 6:14:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Just one of the reasons so many big money men were loath to finance any Republicans this year


35 posted on 09/28/2012 6:14:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

The purpose of Liberal Agenda Media, (LAM), Polls, is to:
1.) discourage Conservatives from voting in an up coming election;
2.) discourage Conservatives from financially supporting their candidates;
and 3.) publicly promote the idea that most voters agree that Socialism will make America more successful.

Thus, LAM Polls are analogous to a dam holding back the floodwaters of REALITY from those who still bother to read, listen or watch the LAM.

Since 35 % of Americans will have the opportunity to vote early this year, the longer the LAM can keep the LAM Polls skewed, the greater their chances of fooling the early voters.


36 posted on 09/28/2012 6:15:45 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: mwl8787

http://www.therightscoop.com/fantastic-new-pa-gop-ad-says-president-obama-is-the-problem/


37 posted on 09/28/2012 6:16:10 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SeekAndFind

Somebody needs to figure out a way to do polls that put some sort of weighting factor for intensity of support.


38 posted on 09/28/2012 6:16:24 AM PDT by grumpa
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To: joesbucks

Fox ranked number 13 in polling accuracy in 2008


39 posted on 09/28/2012 6:16:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: yldstrk

Indeed.

When your opponent says “you are losing”, you don’t say “no, you are losing”, you shut up and WIN.


40 posted on 09/28/2012 6:16:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: joesbucks

Michael Medved was having a cranial explosion on his show yesterday about a poll showing Obama ahead in Virginia.

The internals of the same poll showed Romney with 94% of the Republican vote, and ahead by 11 with Independents.

So how can Obama be ahead? It’s not mathematically possible.


41 posted on 09/28/2012 6:20:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ctdonath2
Four years ago we were hearing a lot of the same “the polls are biased! The lame Republican is gonna win!” rhetoric.

No in 2008 Conservatives were pointing to a supposed "Bradly Effect" that assumed white voters were afraid to tell pollsters they were voting against a black candidate for fear of being thought racist. That "Bradley Effect" was either no existent or very small in 2008.

In 2012 Leftists are claiming a "cell phone effect" to explain why Obama cannot break the magic 50% mark in the polling. Being inside the margin of error, as most polls show is bad news for an incumbent. He should be farther ahead.

BTW, they historic record shows a pretty sever left ward drift in pre election polling

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42 posted on 09/28/2012 6:24:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ctdonath2; muawiyah
Uninspiring candidates don’t win.

Past time for the Sour Grapes crowd here to stop whining.

Even the candidates they supported are busy working to elect Romney. Sorry your egos was bruised because the GOP did not agree with your candidate of choice.

Get over it.

43 posted on 09/28/2012 6:26:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
Fox ranked number 13 in polling accuracy in 2008

They were with Opinion Dynamics then. They have a new company they aligned with in 2011.

44 posted on 09/28/2012 6:28:00 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: adorno

I think that’s most of what you’re seeing with FOX polls.

If their number are way out of line with all others numbers, then their number is the one nobody believes, not the others.

By keeping it in line with reality, their number is more believable.


45 posted on 09/28/2012 6:29:34 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Always A Marine
How then would Fox's results skew in Obama's favor if the underlying equation wasn't skewed to his favor?

Or is it bozell knowss you don't poop on the guy that either pays you or at least gives you free face time?

46 posted on 09/28/2012 6:30:42 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never seen white voters angrier. This translates to huge turn-out at the polls.


47 posted on 09/28/2012 6:35:55 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Always A Marine
OK, 2010 ~ that 'Model" ~ has a 15 million vote fall off for Republican voters and 30 million vote fall off for Democrat voters. That'd give the Republicans 40 million votes and the Democrats 39 million votes.

Give or take a few million that's darned near a DEAD HEAT!

Naw, looking to 2010 as a guide to turnout so you could reformat your poll results (which would, as if by magic, turn into something other than random sampling results as soon as you do that) would probably get you to pretty close to where we are now ~ with Obama still winning the electoral vote count.

Gotta' do better than that!

Personally I think Romney loses big time unless he gives up this idea that he has to avoid insulting independents ~ he**sbe**s he had no problem insulting me, so why not them?

48 posted on 09/28/2012 6:38:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MNJohnnie
Get over it yourself. your candidate is simply not sweeping all before him, and neither is obama.

the polls are certainly reflecting that situation ~ now live with it ~ and next time listen to your betters. First rule, avoid the doufous when it comes to candidates!

49 posted on 09/28/2012 6:41:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I've missed Tricky Dick since the day he flew off in a helicopter....

EPA, OSHA, wage and price controls etc - I don't.

50 posted on 09/28/2012 6:41:36 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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