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Op-Ed: Why Arabs are so Easily Offended
Arutz Sheva ^ | 30/9/12 | Ron Jager

Posted on 10/01/2012 1:15:14 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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Whole article is worth reading. I remember Senels' original piece, and Jager ties it in neatly with the errors and missteps of the Obama administration.
1 posted on 10/01/2012 1:15:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

You mean NASA hasn’t made muslims feel better about themselves yet?


2 posted on 10/01/2012 1:27:52 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Eleutheria5
Westerners are brought up to think of anger as a sign of weakness, powerlessness and lack of self-control. In Muslim culture, anger is seen as a sign of strength

I have my doubts about the first part of this premise (or maybe it's just my New Yorker's perspective). After all, as George Costanza said, "when you look annoyed all the time, people think that you're busy."


3 posted on 10/01/2012 1:30:30 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: Eleutheria5

Oh, hell these people have been offend since Hagar’s son Ishmael was called the “crazy man in the desert”.
And they still act like their (whatever great) grandfather.


4 posted on 10/01/2012 1:34:27 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Interesting, but the author seems to be making some basic mistakes in confusing Muslims with Arabs. At the very end he corrects / reveals himself by stating that this is about Arabs and not necessarily Islam.

This is my take as well. Islam is not exactly the most peaceful religion, but the way most Indonesians practice it (and I have spent a lot of time there) it is really pretty laid back. Moreover, in stark contradiction to this gentleman’s thesis, Javenese culture puts a very high value on controlling one’s emotions.

Thus, it is perhaps the Arab cultural norms that should be condemned here. As an Arab religion, Islam reflects them, but I would venture to guess that Arabs were like this long before Muhammad talked to Gabriel.

Lastly, the author is also contradicting Muslims and Westerners. This is, for me, a bit of apples and oranges. He seems to want to avoid saying Christianity for some reason but that is the appropriate contrast to Muslims or to use Arabs / Middle Easterners in contrast to Westerners.

Either his thinking is sloppy or he has an agenda that goes beyond this mediocre analysis.


5 posted on 10/01/2012 1:36:51 PM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Interesting, but the author seems to be making some basic mistakes in confusing Muslims with Arabs. At the very end he corrects / reveals himself by stating that this is about Arabs and not necessarily Islam.

This is my take as well. Islam is not exactly the most peaceful religion, but the way most Indonesians practice it (and I have spent a lot of time there) it is really pretty laid back. Moreover, in stark contradiction to this gentleman’s thesis, Javenese culture puts a very high value on controlling one’s emotions.

Thus, it is perhaps the Arab cultural norms that should be condemned here. As a Arab religion, Islam reflects them, but I would venture to guess that Arabs were like this long before Muhammad talked to Gabriel.

Lastly, the author is also contradicting Muslims and Westerners. This is, for me, a bit of apples and oranges. He seems to want to avoid saying Christianity for some reason but that is the appropriate contrast to Muslims or to use Arabs / Middle Easterners in contrast to Westerners.

Either his thinking is sloppy or he has an agenda that goes beyond this mediocre analysis.


6 posted on 10/01/2012 1:37:00 PM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: Eleutheria5

The “anger is respected” (bullying) explains why Obama was attracted to Chicago.


7 posted on 10/01/2012 1:39:26 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Eleutheria5

The “anger is respected” (bullying) explains why Obama was attracted to Chicago.


8 posted on 10/01/2012 1:40:28 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Eleutheria5
If a feral child throws a violent irrational temper tantrum and is never punished, but instead gets everything he desires, his behavior is guaranteed to only become more irrational and violent.
9 posted on 10/01/2012 1:42:22 PM PDT by Casie
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To: Eleutheria5

It may be simpler than that. As is amply illustrated in history and personal experience, sadism, pain, and fear are consistently useful in causing others to bend to one’s will.


10 posted on 10/01/2012 1:48:08 PM PDT by Marylander (Offendiphobia)
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To: Eleutheria5

80% are illiterate.


11 posted on 10/01/2012 1:48:51 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” Voltaire


12 posted on 10/01/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Eleutheria5

A little less inbreeding a few centuries back would have greatly improved them. And they’re still inbreeding. Last year there appeared very briefly an article about the Saud King had demanded a stop to inbreeding. It lasted in small newspapers for a day or so. They ARE still inbreeding. If they don’t watch out, eventually they’ll all have blue skin.


13 posted on 10/01/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!")
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To: Eleutheria5

WRONG TITLE!!!

Arabs are not easily offended — MISLIMS are the onces that feel this need to constantly bitch and complain.

Please make a distinction between Arabs and muslims. Christian Arabs are being persecuted by muslim Arabs as you read this.


14 posted on 10/01/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: Eleutheria5

What do you expect from a group of people four days out from the Stone Age?


15 posted on 10/01/2012 1:55:09 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: Eleutheria5
Op-Ed: Why Arabs are so Easily Offended

Because they are pinheads rooted in the 7th Century and bewildered by life in anything BUT the 7th Century!

16 posted on 10/01/2012 1:56:04 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Eleutheria5
Then maybe an open display of anger, even retaliation, against terrorist acts would be more fruitful.
I remember when Reagan bombed Libya in response to the Disco bombing that killed American servicemen, Gaddafi was a whole lot more subdued after that.

17 posted on 10/01/2012 1:56:55 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Eleutheria5

Newt Gingrich has stated that “the Islamists cannot reconcile with a secular system of laws. They cannot tolerate a West that maintains a presence in the Arabian Gulf or that would defend Israel’s right to survive as a country. They cannot tolerate freedom of speech, freedom of religion, or freedom for women. In short, their demands are irreconcilable with the modern world. While trying to understand the volatility of millions of Middle Easterners taught from birth to hate America and to despise Israel, we in the West should be asking one basic question.

The real question to be asked is why we feel the need to pander and apologize to the most radical, violent and intolerant extremes around the world, to let them set the tone; a tone designed to stifle all criticism of Islam, to declare as blasphemy any attempt to reform radical Islam.


18 posted on 10/01/2012 2:02:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Eleutheria5

Every destructive emotion bears its own harvest, but anger’s fruit is the most bitter of all. Uncontrolled anger is a devastating sin, and no one is exempt from its havoc. It shatters friendships and destroys marriages; it causes abuse in families and discord in business; it breeds violence in the community and war between nations.

Its recoil, like that of a high-powered rifle, often hurts the one who wields it as well as its target. Anger makes us lash out at others, destroying relationships and revealing our true nature.

The history of the human race is largely the history of its anger.

- “The Journey” by Billy Graham -
http://www.beliefnet.com/Health/2006/03/Overcoming-Anger-And-Fear.aspx


19 posted on 10/01/2012 2:04:30 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Islam is a JOY-LESS religion!!

Muslims ONLY respect POWER....ONLY POWER!!

20 posted on 10/01/2012 2:08:03 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
This is my take as well. Islam is not exactly the most peaceful religion, but the way most Indonesians practice it (and I have spent a lot of time there) it is really pretty laid back. Moreover, in stark contradiction to this gentleman’s thesis, Javenese culture puts a very high value on controlling one’s emotions.

I guess that is the rub. The radicals of Islam have the loudest voices and most visible actions (i.e. terrorism) thus, the "laid-back" muslims are overshadowed.

21 posted on 10/01/2012 2:10:21 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: DustyMoment
Actually they are mentally locked in the 11th century ~ that's when the Turks took them over and turned all the Arabic, Berber and Kurdish speaking areas in the Middle East into an enormous tax farm.

They spent the next 600 years under the Turkish boot ~ and then finally some Europeans moved in to liberate them.

True to their nature they then bit the hand of those who freed them.

22 posted on 10/01/2012 2:10:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eleutheria5

When I was in Iraq, I decided the muslims acted like prisoners — you were an alpha, a beta, a gamma, or someone’s bitch.

We need to adopt the understanding of prison guards -— or wolf trainers -— when dealing with muslims.

You are alpha, or you are going to get it in the rear.

The West does not understand this.


23 posted on 10/01/2012 2:10:58 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Eleutheria5

If you can forgive the “Without dismissing the intrinsic value of multiculturalism...” pc-bs, that is an interesting article.

However, there should be one additional comment regarding the seemlying non-existent temper of the West...once unleashed, Americans have it in them to be brutal, and I will tell you plainly, this American has had enough.


24 posted on 10/01/2012 2:14:41 PM PDT by mad puppy (Not my first choice, but I will vote for Mitt over Obama any time.)
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To: PGR88

You have to ask that question of Neville Chamberlain. It is/was called, “appeasement” and has never worked but idiots keep trying.


25 posted on 10/01/2012 2:16:36 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Eleutheria5

26 posted on 10/01/2012 2:21:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eleutheria5

Why are they offended so easily? Maybe millions of them are just violent morons with IQs not much above potted plants.


27 posted on 10/01/2012 2:28:39 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Mrs.Z

“The “anger is respected” (bullying) explains why Obama was attracted to Chicago.”

The Arab cultural traits as he explains them bear a lot of similarities to American minority underclass culture....


28 posted on 10/01/2012 2:31:11 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: driftless2

Actually, they are quite smart about it. They do it because it works.


29 posted on 10/01/2012 2:49:57 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Casie
"If a feral child throws a violent irrational temper tantrum and is never punished, but instead gets everything he desires, his behavior is guaranteed to only become more irrational and violent."

You should see the little monsters they raise in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the muslim world. You see these kids in the "Family" sections of restaurants just going nuts without any restraint. Their parents are probably first cousins. Then they grow up without any interaction with females except their own family members, of which a cousin might be their wife someday--and you get exactly what you describe.

30 posted on 10/01/2012 2:57:25 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Do Javanese and Indonesian mothers fondle their infant sons’ genitalia? This is done in Arab culture, and might explain a lot.

In the far East, Islam is considered Western. It believes in world conquest and proselytizing by force, which no self-respecting Hindu or Buddhist would want. Shinto-ists aren’t even sure why they do those rituals altogether, so to them the idea of proselytizing for Shinto would be absurd.

Just a few thoughts. Hope my analysis was not mediocre.


31 posted on 10/01/2012 2:58:04 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: 353FMG

But do Christian Arab mothers fondle their infant sons’ genitalia, or is this practiced only among Muslim Arabs? How about them Druze?


32 posted on 10/01/2012 3:00:37 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SkyDancer

Now that you mention it, that would also explain the behavior of Court Street lawyers for whom I’ve worked. They don’t hop around and fire shots in the air, but they do yell and scream a lot and sometimes throw things.


33 posted on 10/01/2012 3:02:38 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Ann Archy

Islam is a JOY-LESS religion!!

Ever see an Arab wedding? Or the Ramalla lynch video? They manage to get some joy out of life.


34 posted on 10/01/2012 3:05:47 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: muawiyah

“Actually they are mentally locked in the 11th century ~ that’s when the Turks took them over and turned all the Arabic, Berber and Kurdish speaking areas in the Middle East into an enormous tax farm.”

Dates, Muawiyah. The Turks prevailed against the Maluks and Persians in 1516. Until then, they were just a big power in Turkic-speaking regions. To be fair, the Mamluks and their predecessors were no big bargain, either.

They spent the next 600 years under the Turkish boot ~ and then finally some Europeans moved in to liberate them.

Please. The Europeans might have incidentally paved a road or two and built an occasional hospital, but the last thing on their minds was liberating anyone. They wanted oil. They wanted geopolitical hegemony. They wanted to screw each other. There were some Arabs in the area where they wanted hegemony, oil, and all that, and since there were a lot of them, they thought it wise not to screw them, but instead let them screw the Jooos! to whom they’d promised a homeland, but “liberate” the Arabs? They simply picked out which aristocratic families could screw which peasants, where. The Saudis got the Hijaz. The Husseinis got Iraq, “Trans-Jordan” and didn’t get what was left of Syria because the French got that, and their adolescent nephew Haj Amin al Husseini got Jerusalem, provided he incited enough anti-Jewish riots. Liberate? Please.


35 posted on 10/01/2012 3:14:41 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: EggsAckley; Eleutheria5
They ARE still inbreeding. If they don’t watch out, eventually they’ll all have blue skin.

Wouldn't that make them Hindu holy people?

36 posted on 10/01/2012 3:21:28 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: ilovesarah2012

NO, DAMMIT! This has got to be redressed! How dare they not make Arabs feel better about themselves? Send them up to conquer Mars, immediately!


37 posted on 10/01/2012 3:24:17 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s the escape plan. They’ll just disappear into the Hindi sub-continent and become mendicants.


38 posted on 10/01/2012 3:25:47 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Interesting, but the author seems to be making some basic mistakes in confusing Muslims with Arabs.

James Clavell's unfortunately out-of-print novel Whirlwild is a spot-on fictional illustration of your point. The story takes place during the 1979 fall of the Iranian monarchy, and is about a Scottish corporation trying to save it's business and it's assets.

It doesn't deal with Arabian or Arabic Islam, but Iranian--Persian--Islam, and how irrational it is both in the individual Iranian and in Iranian institutionalism. It shows the horror of how women and non-Muslims are treated. The whole body of Islamic men is one huge permanent maelstrom of anger, hatred, condonable murder, bigotry and double-dealing. And it is all permissible in the Islamic zeitgeist. There are one or two mentions of minor Arabic characters as I recall, but the novel deals with Iranians who are Muslim.
39 posted on 10/01/2012 3:35:53 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Eleutheria5

And threaten to hold their breath until they turn blue.


40 posted on 10/01/2012 3:43:38 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: mikey_hates_everything

“You should see the little monsters they raise in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the muslim world. You see these kids in the “Family” sections of restaurants just going nuts without any restraint. Their parents are probably first cousins. Then they grow up without any interaction with females except their own family members, of which a cousin might be their wife someday—and you get exactly what you describe. “

Let’s not forget that bratty little Prince Abdullah. His father leaves him in care of Tintin and Captain Haddock, they go off on an adventure, and next thing you know, poor Nestor is tied to a chair.


41 posted on 10/01/2012 3:45:53 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: zencycler; Godzilla

I see you lurking in the background...


42 posted on 10/01/2012 3:47:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyDancer

Did Hirschman & Levine take in a junior partner after I left? You’ve met them?


43 posted on 10/01/2012 3:48:18 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Good grief, get your dates correct yourself ~ the Seljuk Turks took it all over by 1200. Mongol rule overlaps and is coterminous with (and involved the same guys) as Turkish rule.

The specific cause of the Crusades was the Seljuk occupation of Egypt (and other places) and the cessation of the pilgrimages to the holy land, etc.

That's all 11th and 12th century stuff.

The Turks and the Europeans were not at all interested in the oil resources at the time.

Napoleon came with a number of ideas ~ from the French Revolution, over 200 years ago. That was before the internal combustion engine was a big deal. Actually trains were still a novelty.

Do not take 20th century issues with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and extend them back into the 1700s and 1800s ~ it was a whole different game then, and the Arabs were not their own men at the time.

44 posted on 10/01/2012 3:49:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eleutheria5
Newt Gingrich has stated that "the Islamists cannot reconcile with a secular system of laws. They cannot tolerate a West that maintains a presence in the Arabian Gulf or that would defend Israel's right to survive as a country. They cannot tolerate freedom of speech, freedom of religion, or freedom for women. In short, their demands are irreconcilable with the modern world. While trying to understand the volatility of millions of Middle Easterners taught from birth to hate America and to despise Israel, we in the West should be asking one basic question.

Little wonder that GOPe hates Newt so much. Muslims are varelse.  It is blaphemy to point this out.

45 posted on 10/01/2012 3:51:24 PM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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"Good grief, get your dates correct yourself ~ the Seljuk Turks took it all over by 1200. Mongol rule overlaps and is coterminous with (and involved the same guys) as Turkish rule." 1267 was when the Mamluks forbade all Jews above the 7th Step of the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. I know, because there's a plaque on the Seventh Step attesting to it. The prohibition remained in place until 1967. Ergo, the Mamluks were still in business. The actual conquest of Egypt and the entire Mamluk empire was accomplished in 1516 by Salim the First, as per President Yitzchak ben Tzvi's well-researched book: Hayishuv Hayhudi Bitkufat Ha'atomanim. I haven't finished it yet (it's dry, heavily anotated, and in Modern Hebrew), but have gotten that far. As for the Seljuks, they didn't "take it all over". The farthest west that they ever ruled was the Persian Gulf and Anatolia (in Turkey). The Turkish Empire that the British dismantled in WW I was the Ottoman, a very different animal. Wikipedia: The House of Seljuq (Persian: سلجوقيان‎ Saljūqīyān; Turkish: Selçuklular), also known as the House of Seljuk Turks[1], was a Persianate[2][3][4], Turco-Persian[5][6][7][8][9] Sunni Muslim dynasty, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks.[10] The dynasty ruled parts of Central Asia and the Middle East from the 11th to 14th centuries. The House of Seljuq established both the Great Seljuq Empire and Sultanate of Rum, which at their total height stretched from Anatolia through Persia, and were targets of the First Crusade. Which parts of the Middle East did they rule: The Great Seljuq Empire (Persian: دولت سلجوقیان‎; Modern Turkish: Büyük Selçuklu Devleti) was a medieval Turko-Persian[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Sunni Muslim empire, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks.[16] The Seljuq Empire controlled a vast area stretching from the Hindu Kush to eastern Anatolia and from Central Asia to the Persian Gulf. From their homelands near the Aral sea, the Seljuqs advanced first into Khorasan and then into mainland Persia before eventually conquering eastern Anatolia. The Seljuq empire was founded by Tughril Beg in 1037 after the efforts by the founder of the Seljuq dynasty, Seljuq Beg, back in the first quarter of the eleventh century. Seljuq Beg's father was in a higher position in the Oghuz Yabgu State, and gave his name both to the state and the dynasty. The Seljuqs united the fractured political scene of the Eastern Islamic world and played a key role in the first and second crusades. Highly Persianized[10][11][12][13] in culture[17][18][19] and language,[10][20][21][22][23] the Seljuqs also played an important role in the development of the Turko-Persian tradition,[24] even exporting Persian culture to Anatolia.[25][26] The settlement of Turkic tribes in the northwestern peripheral parts of the empire, for the strategic military purpose of fending off invasions from neighboring states, led to the progressive turkicization of those areas.[27]
46 posted on 10/01/2012 4:02:58 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Curse you, undetected HTTP code!


47 posted on 10/01/2012 4:03:56 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“Good grief, get your dates correct yourself ~ the Seljuk Turks took it all over by 1200. Mongol rule overlaps and is coterminous with (and involved the same guys) as Turkish rule.”

1267 was when the Mamluks forbade all Jews above the 7th Step of the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. I know, because there’s a plaque on the Seventh Step attesting to it. The prohibition remained in place until 1967. Ergo, the Mamluks were still in business.

The actual conquest of Egypt and the entire Mamluk empire was accomplished in 1516 by Salim the First, as per President Yitzchak ben Tzvi’s well-researched book: Hayishuv Hayhudi Bitkufat Ha’atomanim. I haven’t finished it yet (it’s dry, heavily anotated, and in Modern Hebrew), but have gotten that far.


48 posted on 10/01/2012 4:09:00 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

This anger goes all the way back:

11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,

“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,[c]
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

(Genesis 16:11-12)


49 posted on 10/01/2012 4:09:55 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: muawiyah
As for the Seljuks, they didn't "take it all over". The farthest west that they ever ruled was the Persian Gulf and Anatolia (in Turkey). The Turkish Empire that the British dismantled in WW I was the Ottoman, a very different animal. Wikipedia: The House of Seljuq (Persian: سلجوقيان‎ Saljūqīyān; Turkish: Selçuklular), also known as the House of Seljuk Turks[1], was a Persianate[2][3][4], Turco-Persian[5][6][7][8][9] Sunni Muslim dynasty, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks.[10] The dynasty ruled parts of Central Asia and the Middle East from the 11th to 14th centuries. The House of Seljuq established both the Great Seljuq Empire and Sultanate of Rum, which at their total height stretched from Anatolia through Persia, and were targets of the First Crusade. Which parts of the Middle East did they rule: The Great Seljuq Empire (Persian: دولت سلجوقیان‎; Modern Turkish: Büyük Selçuklu Devleti) was a medieval Turko-Persian[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Sunni Muslim empire, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks.[16] The Seljuq Empire controlled a vast area stretching from the Hindu Kush to eastern Anatolia and from Central Asia to the Persian Gulf. From their homelands near the Aral sea, the Seljuqs advanced first into Khorasan and then into mainland Persia before eventually conquering eastern Anatolia. The Seljuq empire was founded by Tughril Beg in 1037 after the efforts by the founder of the Seljuq dynasty, Seljuq Beg, back in the first quarter of the eleventh century. Seljuq Beg's father was in a higher position in the Oghuz Yabgu State, and gave his name both to the state and the dynasty. The Seljuqs united the fractured political scene of the Eastern Islamic world and played a key role in the first and second crusades. Highly Persianized[10][11][12][13] in culture[17][18][19] and language,[10][20][21][22][23] the Seljuqs also played an important role in the development of the Turko-Persian tradition,[24] even exporting Persian culture to Anatolia.[25][26] The settlement of Turkic tribes in the northwestern peripheral parts of the empire, for the strategic military purpose of fending off invasions from neighboring states, led to the progressive turkicization of those areas.[27] There. All organized.
50 posted on 10/01/2012 4:12:00 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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