Skip to comments.The Cleveland Clinic, cited as a "model" by Obama, is actually illegal under Obamacare
Posted on 10/04/2012 4:20:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone
The Cleveland Clinic is owned by doctors. But thanks to Obamacare it's illegal for doctors to own hospitals.
Section 6001 of the health care law effectively bans new physician-owned hospitals (POHs) from starting up, and it keeps existing ones from expanding. It has already halted the development of 24 new physician-owned hospitals and forced an additional 47 to struggle to meet the deadline to complete construction, according to the Physician Hospitals of America (PHA).
You couldn't build the Cleveland Clinic today if you wanted to.
(Excerpt) Read more at wyblog.us ...
Hope this becomes a debate talking point
Thanks for posting this. It made me remember a point I tried to make on the live debate thread, but couldn’t because FR was super slow. When Obama talked about the Cleveland Clinic and why it works, he said that doctors are evaluated on performance and aren’t paid by the number of procedures they perform. Obama really seemed to support that. His comment brought me to attention, because Obama and the Dems have historically been against performance evaluations for teachers. So why is it okay for doctors to have to undergo evaluations, but not teachers?
Read the responses. It’s not physician-owned. The blog post is a misapplication of the Wikipedia article on its founding by physicians 90 years ago.
They’ll set up a branch offshore, likely the Caribbean, where Americans (ones with money) desperate to secure care that is rationed or prohibited by the Death Panels can get to easily.
Why didn’t Romney say Death Panels? He was careful not to say Death Panels.
Palinisms make everyone uncomfortable. Haven’t you heard?
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This past week, Steve Rattner, the former car czar, admitted that “death panels would be inevitable.” I was hoping Mitt would say something about that, but then that would have made Obama’s head explode.
I think we Freepers are among the few who equate Obamacare with death. Obama, DC politicians and the media are all careful not to mention death with Obamacare. It’s long past time for everyone including Romney, to tell it like it is.
I thought Romney would bring up Czars and Obama’s power grabs. Maybe he will hit him on Fast and Furious and Holder must go in the next debate. It will be interesting to see what Ryan will say about some of these issues.
Thanks NoLibZone. Who knew that a phony African-American faux-Chrisitan who’s never paid a bill or held a job wouldn’t know that?
They have already built it. It’s in Abu Dhabi!
Ah, NOW, I get it!
So you lose your civil rights because you went to medical school?
You're punished for achieving?
Who's allowed to own a hospital? Sub-literate illegal aliens?
They appear to have far more rights then the best Americans.
I had to let him know we sympathize with the medical profession, especially the Dr's.
I related to him the price for brain tumor surgery back in 1987, that Dr., spent 4 hours in surgery, cutting into the scalp, moving nerves and delicate tissue around the eyes, etc. and he only charged $1500. WHAT?
That Dr. spent 8 yrs in school, then internship, then more schooling, etc.etc.etc?? and all he got was $1500 for 4 hours of surgery???? Why a plumber makes more than that.
Hubbys Dr. said that is just about what they get today.
The govt. wants to limit how much Dr's. can make? YET, CongressCritters and Lawyers can make whatever they can suck/steal/mandate/tax off the public??? Unbelievable.
Romney did a great job hammering Obama away.
.....And he was destroyed (Obama) by Mitt Romney on Wednesday night.
And Romney was criticized for “investing” in the Caymans.
Seriously, the impact on medical R&D is going to be even more critical. Without incentives, there will be little R&D. My concern is that with deteriorating health care, we are setting ourselves up for a devastating epidemic. It could be something new or rare or exotic like Ebola, or it could be something very simple like antibiotic-resistant infections spread by lax hygiene, some of which we are already seeing.
Well Romney has destroyed Obama on Wednesday night. The next two debates will become the “mop-up” work. Cannot wait for the VP debate to take place. Rep. Ryan is going to expose VP Bidden bigtime.
If we really want to see costs come down in medicine we need more, not less competition.
This is what concerns me, since I am in my 50’s and three health battles this year alone, praise God I am now healed from them. But now I have become very, very guarded about my health and this stuff about “death panels” scares me.
So the clinic that is the model of innovation that the President cites in his first debate could not be started under the President's rules? That is a BFD, to paraphrase Joe Biden.
Or are you of the illusion that the economy is a static thing. We already have one Cleaveland Clinic, so we will never need another?
Does Mayo Brothers Clinic in Minnesota come under the same definition?
There is nothing in the way the Clinic operates today that would disqualify it under Obama care, given the necessary modifications, if any, being made. My point is, the article is based on inaccurate and/or outdated information.
By what magical means do you determine that the way the Cleveland Clinic operates today, where doctors are permitted to control patient care and are not straight-jacketed by procedures dictated by non-doctors, has nothing to do with the fact that the business was founded by doctors in the first place?
Seems to me that there might just be some connection there...
Of course, there is no way to prove it, one way or the other. So how about this for a proposal... We can have a system where we let anybody who wants to found and run hospitals can found and run hospitals. That way the good models can thrive and the poor models can be run out of business, and people can have innovative medicine at reasonable prices.
We can call this system "freedom"...
Hey, it's so crazy, it just might work!
The reason that Physician Owned Hospitals (PHO) are disallowed/limited from growing under Obamacare is because the American Hospital Associations have been complaining that PHO’s take too much of the profitable procedures and do not provide enough “free care”. Ostensibly they complained that the physicians were conflicted by making referrals to a hospital that they had a financial interest in. In the end, Obamacare is really meant to be anti competitive and that was the bone thrown to the hospitals. IMHO.
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