What say you, FReepers?

Get a grip. Obama is going to be defeated at the ballot box, not through any birther move.

No matter what we say or think, he’s president until the supremes say otherwise or he loses next month.

Oh good grief.

Grab a beer, some chips and watch bad TV and for heaven sakes stop thinking.

This is a big face plant.

Not very soothing, Dave. But I’m not presenting this as a “birther move”. I’m suggesting that a blow could be dealt to the Obama campaign at a very critical juncture. Besides which, as much as I pray to see him defeated at the ballot box, I see no reason not to bring every challenge, every obstacle and do anything else possible to make sure he is defeated.

Ouch. Except the beer part. That sounds good.

I’m not a birther in the sense that I believe Obama was not born in the States, but I think the Natural Born Citizen question is valid and begs for an answer. Besides which, I’d like to see as much flak thrown up against his campaign as possible.

I agree with that, JR.

Waste of time. Too many people believe "natural citizen" just means you are born here like an anchor baby.

We need to educate people on this subject.

Isn’t this an opportunity to do some edumacating?

Well....except that zero claimed to have been born in Kenya when writing his personal info for his literary agent. This claim only started disappearing when he began running for POTUS. Clearly he was lying somewhere...

Even if Osama is not,in fact,a "natural born citizen",as defined by the Constitution and various court decisions he will never be officially decalred to be such and,therefore,will not be removed from office or denied access to any function restricted to such citizens.

It's a non starter.

Ok, have a beer and enjoy the evening.
Just fixed my husband a cheese tray and a glass of wine...so off the join him, nice evening so we will be enjoying the still summer weather (even though its fall - yea for global warming ;-).

You’re right. I’m sure the League of Women Voters will step in 30 days before the election to declare Obama ineligible. And then he will resign in disgrace and everyone will come to know the truth.

Can I have some of what you’re smoking?

Don’t distract the voters with nonsense. Even if you’re right, the issue has been heard and rejected by the public. You make yourself look foolish.

Convince people to vote for Romney. Forget about this stuff. It’s never going to happen.

Isn’t this an opportunity to do some edumacating?

It would have the result of the Uneducated "experts" proving to the public that people who have actually researched this and who know what they are talking about are "wrong."

Sometimes you just have to run from a mob instead of trying to reason with them.

What qualification were you wondering about?

Thank you for taking the time and effort to thoughtfully read and research this interesting point of law.

Larry Klayman has sent a copy of his letter to DNC Counsel Bob Bauer to every member of the Commission on Presidential Debates via certified mail. They have all been informed by an attorney that HI state registrar Alvin Onaka has confirmed that the White House BC image is a forgery and that the real HI record is legally non-valid. A bunch of these people are lawyers so they know the legal reasoning is sound and Obama cannot be known to be eligible. The CPD rules actually require that there be EVIDENCE of eligibility, meaning that the burden of proof is on Obama.

But the fact of the matter is that this is a private entity and they don’t have to follow their own rules, just like the DNC is a private entity and doesn’t have to follow their own rules.

The difference is that when Bob Bauer submits to a state Secretary of State for a legal purpose (placement on a ballot) a Certification of Nomination that he knows is perjurious and fraudulent, that ventures into LEGAL territory, and that is subornation of perjury and also election fraud.

If we have any rule of law left in this country, Bob Bauer will be facing 50 counts of subornation of perjury and 50 counts of fraud.

The legal department of NE SOS John Gale told me in a phone call that even if Bob Bauer, Alice Travis Germond, and Antonio Villaigarosa were sitting in jail convicted of perjury and fraud for that Certification, Obama’s name would still be on the ballot because NE statute doesn’t specifically state that the filing papers have to be LAWFUL.

What that means is that criminal counts against Bob Bauer cannot in any way, shape, or form be considered “political”, since it has no impact on a political candidate. This was a civilian attorney who presented for a legal purpose a document he knew to be perjurious and fraudulent. He needs to be brought to justice. If he is not, we have just handed over the country to whatever thug has the audacity to do whatever he darn well pleases.

The election will play out as it will; we’re beyond the ability to do anything about that. Let’s get Obama defeated.

But in the meantime we need to send a message to the criminals - and I mean that in EVERY sense of the word - who have allowed him to be on the ballots by forgery, perjury, threats and harassment, murder, and deception: “The rule of law matters, and we will NOT sit idly by while the whole system screws us. The colonists compiled a list of grievances and we are compiling our own lists. Don’t tread on us, or you will regret the loss of the rule of law. Once the little people have nothing left to lose, all bets are off. Think seriously about that and choose your words and actions very, very carefully.”

forget trying to push any point of what a NBC is ... just push the requirement to submit documentation

they CANNOT say any of the candidates are NBC unless they’ve been presented the documentation

have him submit it ... at which point he will have committed forgery and fraud

of course, I’d prefer he submit it to some division of elections somewhere... then he’d have committed felony forgery

>"I see no reason not to bring every challenge, every obstacle and do anything else possible to make sure he is defeated."

Needs repeating, and loudly.

Not even the SCOTUS could take away his presidency, that’s the function of Impeachment.

I am glad to see others with the opinion that the notion of Obama *not* legally being president is a non-starter.

As to the OP, Obama won the electoral college, was affirmed by congress and sworn in by the CJOTSCOTUS — which rendered any notion of him not being eligible moot. The only thing left was for a state by state fight on eligibility for being on the ballot.