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Romney gains 8 points in CA
CBS San Francisco ^

Posted on 10/10/2012 11:21:47 PM PDT by libh8er

The effects of President Barack Obama’s falter in the first debate with Mitt Romney are not just being felt in battleground states, according to KPIX-TV CBS 5′s latest tracking poll of California which shows Romney slicing eight points off Obama’s lead.

Obama had led by 22 points in the CBS 5 tracking poll released four weeks ago. Obama now leads by only 14 points, an 8-point improvement for Romney. At the same time, the poll found U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s support for her re-election bid remained largely unchanged, month-on-month, suggesting that the erosion in Democratic support is not across-the-board, but contained to Obama. Unclear is whether the Obama erosion is fleeting or long-lasting.

The poll data released Wednesday showed Obama 53%, Romney 39%, in California. Obama carried the Golden State by 24 points in 2008, so the poll found Obama is now running 10 points weaker than he ran 4 years ago. Among Independents, Obama led by 14 in September, but now trails by 9 in October, a 23-point right turn among the most coveted voters. One explanation, based on the poll data: The number of Romney supporters who said they were voting “for Mitt Romney” as opposed to “against Barack Obama” is way up, month over month.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; ca2012

1 posted on 10/10/2012 11:21:50 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: libh8er

“Only” 14 points...

Well...good sign as far as a trend, and it can help with some close congressional races there to have the top of the ticket with this amount of an improved standing.


2 posted on 10/10/2012 11:24:48 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: libh8er
suggesting that the erosion in Democratic support is not across-the-board, but contained to Obama

That sounds pretty good to me!

3 posted on 10/10/2012 11:25:53 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Republican Wildcat

$6 gas and they still support Obozo. Wish CA had a “break into three parts” clause like Texas does.


4 posted on 10/10/2012 11:27:34 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: libh8er

8 points can’t win Kalipornia but it’s going to win some swing states.

That one 90-minute debate exploded a lot of myths about Obama (empty suit) and Romney both. The MSM and Dem narratives were squashed.

Pretty Epic.


5 posted on 10/10/2012 11:28:01 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: libh8er

Polls become a lot more accurate the closer we get to election day.


6 posted on 10/10/2012 11:30:31 PM PDT by floozy22 (The Bro must GO)
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To: libh8er

In a clearly liberal area, there are 3 Romney signs on my small block. (One is mine but that counts!)


7 posted on 10/10/2012 11:33:36 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: libh8er

Call me crazy but I’m praying R+R will carry CA.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 11:42:08 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Allow me to be the first , “ You’re crazy ! “ ; )


9 posted on 10/10/2012 11:54:44 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: libh8er

California really needs to be broken up into several states.


10 posted on 10/10/2012 11:58:03 PM PDT by conservative sympathizer
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To: thecodont

1988 was the last time the GOP carried CA. Then the sun set in California.


11 posted on 10/11/2012 12:07:31 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: conservative sympathizer

Kalifornia is a socialist country, not a State. /s The progressives are working on the other 49.. Or is that 56?


12 posted on 10/11/2012 12:09:09 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: conservative sympathizer
"... California really needs to be broken up into several states."

Not only 'No' but Hell No.

As if the country is going to allow two new Californias to send a total of four liberal Senators to Washington DC. Why shouldn't Texas be allowed to split up into a union of federated Texan states and send an avalanche of brand new US Senators to Capitol Hill?

There's no way to split California vertically or horizontally and come up with some new conservative state to counteract the current liberal debt monster that is modern California.

Cut in half above Santa Barbara, Southern California would just be 'Even Newer Mexico' versus 'Hippiefornia'.

Cut lengthwise, you'd have 'West California' hugely overpopulated with illegal aliens and their benevolent hippie-'Boomer overlords versus 'Eastern California' and the unpopulated desert wasteland state capitol of Barstow.

Now, if you could convince California to give to the state of Nevada the entire Sierra Nevada mountain range, well THEN we're talking.

13 posted on 10/11/2012 12:34:43 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Sell CA to China - in exchange for their US Treasury holdings.

TaDa! Everyone’s a winner.


14 posted on 10/11/2012 12:59:57 AM PDT by Vide
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To: libh8er
Obama now leads by only 14 points

California, lol.
I don't think Romney is stupid enough to start wasting money in that place.

15 posted on 10/11/2012 1:08:38 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Vide
Sell CA to China...

Yeah, "sell" it the same way Newsweak was sold.
For $1.

16 posted on 10/11/2012 1:11:09 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Yaelle

My fag neighbor in Hollywood removed his/her (whatever) obama sticker from it’s car but it was on a few weeks back. Unlike 4 years ago when these pukes were bathing in hopeychangey..


17 posted on 10/11/2012 1:28:09 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: libh8er
The race has always been as Rasmussen states—all the MSM polls that have been cooked to help Obama have to become more accurate as the election approaches in order to preserve a little credibility.

Next up, lying Obama friendly exit polls that will be intended to suppress GOP voters (remember Gore “winning” Florida before voting ended in the conservative panhandle?) and inflame the shiftless 47% into rioting and believing in their teeny tiny brains that the election was “stolen.”

18 posted on 10/11/2012 1:35:58 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("The good news? Obama lost--the bad news? Mitt won." have)
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To: Vide

...Except for China.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 2:00:06 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: libh8er

We need more debates with a similar result. I don’t believe that Obama is a sitting duck, so best not to depend on the second and third debates being tkos.


20 posted on 10/11/2012 2:04:41 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: libh8er
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21 posted on 10/11/2012 2:19:23 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: libh8er

This shift should manifest itself into wins down ticket. U.S. House, state assembly, and local races in California’s purple regions are probably competitive for Republicans.


22 posted on 10/11/2012 3:04:44 AM PDT by magellan
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To: libh8er

53% is not all that great for Obama, and Calif. is REALLY hurting!


23 posted on 10/11/2012 3:22:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: TigerClaws

$6 gas and they still support Obozo. Wish CA had a “break into three parts” clause like Texas does.


That’s because they’d rather pay $5 for gas than get shipped back to Mexico.


24 posted on 10/11/2012 4:57:02 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Ann Archy

I think that Obama has seen his high water mark in CA with this poll


25 posted on 10/11/2012 5:24:40 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: conservative sympathizer
California really needs to be broken up into several states.

It will never happen now, but too bad it didn't happen 20 or 30 years ago. California is mostly red by geographical area, but even the red counties have been ruined now, and they are just as depressing to live in as the blue counties. My county was a vibrant, self sustaining, productive county when I grew up, thanks to the lumber industry. Now everybody who is not unemployed and living off the government directly works for the government (now the largest employer), medical industry (almost the same thing), or Indian gambling casinos (largest single employer in my county). And the attitudes of people living there reflect the change too, and it is not good. People know when they are a productive community and producing good stuff (lumber products in our case) that the rest of the world needs and wants and is willing to pay for, versus leeching off of the productivity of others or leeching off of wealth created in the past. As a third generation native Californian this is very depressing.

26 posted on 10/11/2012 6:36:08 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: ansel12

My fault. Things have gone downhill since I moved out of CA in 1985.


27 posted on 10/11/2012 6:42:45 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Lancey Howard
I don't think Romney is stupid enough to start wasting money in that place.

I agree. California is only good for milking for campaign fundraisers. I doubt Romney has any illusions about winning that conquered state.

28 posted on 10/11/2012 6:46:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: libh8er
RealClearPolitics has moved MI and PA into the 'toss-up' category, as they should be. With so much movement, as well as pollsters moving away from ridiculous oversampling of Dems, I cannot wait to see some new accurate polling in places like OR, ME and even WA and NJ. OR and ME are heavily Democrat-leaning, but both have large middle-class white populations and very few minority-heavy cities from which to extract mass votes for Obama. Like it or not, race does play a factor in this election and in the current voting trends.

We have seen some interesting polling in suburban Chicago and now a shift in CA. While the conventional red state / blue state thinking and money/time limitations have meant abandoning many states, I truly believe a mass landslide of Reagan-like proportions was possible this year. I see 300-320 electoral votes as plausible, if not likely, but I think the trend and the final numbers may suggest that Romney missed an opportunity to win forty-plus states.

29 posted on 10/11/2012 7:29:12 AM PDT by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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To: TigerClaws

No you don’t, if CA became three states, even in the best scenario, the ‘Rats would get two states with solid senatorial delegations and there’s be a swing-state where the senatorial delegation would float back and forth between ‘Rat and GOP.


30 posted on 10/11/2012 7:32:26 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: libh8er

“Obama’s falter in the first debate”...

Failure, it was a ‘complete failure’.


31 posted on 10/11/2012 7:35:09 AM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Republican Wildcat

While I have no dillusions Cali or NY will fall even under the best circumstances, I still stand completely by the prediction I made months ago, and that is Obama WILL NOT GET over 42-43% of the popular vote MAX! And it is every possibly that he may not see 40% and even possibly get a lower percentage of the vote than Hoover did in 1932.

I later futher stated that Obama will not win a single state he did not get 55% of the popular vote in in 2008, with the exception of MN. And will win a few states where he got over 55% (WI for example)

I stand completely by those predictions.

I also predict that tonights VP debate will go one of two ways... Ryan will probably win the debate on merit, but Biden will go for the likeable “grandpa” and probably not much will change, with who won the debate being probably a draw in terms of focus groups. OR Ryan will effectively counter Biden’s “charming” attempts and win the merit side, and the likeability factor but not by a huge margin.. so net outcome will likely not be much change.

OR, if Biden comes out nasty and agressive, Ryan will calmly counter and handle himself, pundits will declare Biden the winner not on any merit, but because he was agressive and attacked and they just want raw meat, but if Biden goes this rout he risks overplaying of the hand to be attack dog given Obama’s flop will probably provide a furhter bounce for the R/R ticket. Being nasty will excite the leftist pundits but will turn off middle america.

Obama will face the same problem in the next 2 debates, his petty nasty side will likely show through since he’s behind the 8 ball and his attempt to recover will likely show how small and petty he is, and further tank him in the polls.

So, end of the night.. at best the Republicans will get a bit more momentum, at worst they will continue with the same momentum they have. I really don’t see a calculous where Biden can put the genie back in the bottle. Ryan isn’t going to dissintegrate.

I don’t know which track the Dems will take tonight, but I suspect, given Obamas horrific performance, and the lefts demands for red meat, that Biden is going to likely play against his strengths and attempt to play attack dog and overplay his hand, rather than play to his strengths which are buffuddled but likeable grandpa. If he does this, pundents will almost certainly fawn over Biden, however this IMHO is not going to help the O/B ticket. It will pander to their hard core base, but will further move the rest of the elctorate against them.

So, worst case, nothing really changes, best case, R’s get another momentum boost.


32 posted on 10/11/2012 7:57:05 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: The KG9 Kid
As if the country is going to allow two new Californias to send a total of four liberal Senators to Washington DC. Why shouldn't Texas be allowed to split up into a union of federated Texan states and send an avalanche of brand new US Senators to Capitol Hill?

There's no way to split California vertically or horizontally and come up with some new conservative state to counteract the current liberal debt monster that is modern California.
If you look at the state voting maps by county, if the 3 liberal strongholds on the coast are put in their own state, what's left is easily red. And the 'wasteland' you speak of probably still has more population than most states.
33 posted on 10/11/2012 8:57:41 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: HamiltonJay
So, worst case, nothing really changes, best case, R’s get another momentum boost.

And VP debates never seemed to matter in the past. I think Ryan will further excite the base though, with his logic and calmness.
34 posted on 10/11/2012 9:01:59 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: TigerClaws

I have heard this before but doubt that it is true. Who makes this decision, Texas? Does not seem to be constitutional.

Do you have a link which proves this?


35 posted on 10/11/2012 9:45:19 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Reddon
People know when they are a productive community and producing good stuff (lumber products in our case) that the rest of the world needs and wants and is willing to pay for...

Hey, people need marijuana. :)

36 posted on 10/11/2012 9:56:34 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: TigerClaws

Jeff Stone, County supervisor of Riverside County is trying to form “South California” with some other counties. This new state would cut its lines around and excluding LA county. He won’t succeed, but I appreciate his attempt.


37 posted on 10/11/2012 11:06:58 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Ha! That is funny! A couple days ago I saw a headline that asked, “If government legalizes marijuana, will farmers grow it?” and I thought that was hilarious, farmers in California ALREADY grow it, and lots of it!


38 posted on 10/11/2012 11:13:51 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: CottonBall
How are you going to create the borders of a new state composed of nothing but 80% of California's coastline from Humboldt to Monterey, skipping SLO, Santa Barbara, and Ventura then pick back up again and include Los Angeles county?

What you're trying to do is place the overwhelming number of California liberals in their own segregated playpen so they can do no harm to the minority of decent folk and California can go back to being what it was in the 1930s.

Right, and if you could do that I'll move back to CA within a week. It's fantasy.

39 posted on 10/11/2012 12:10:48 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: The KG9 Kid

No need to be so nasty.

YOU are the one that said it could not geographically be done. I showed you that it could. It’s not a Berlin wall situation, where isolated pockets are liberal all over the state. They are all on the coast, making a longitudinal split easy.


40 posted on 10/11/2012 1:48:10 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Lancey Howard

spend. get it towards 10 and maybe the kenyan has to spend there too. It’s far more important to him than Mitt.


41 posted on 10/12/2012 4:42:36 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

California is not, and will never again be, “in play”.
The place was surrendered long ago, senor.


42 posted on 10/12/2012 9:15:39 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I never said in play. Just the appearance that Obama needs to defend it.


43 posted on 10/12/2012 10:38:19 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: CottonBall

I was nasty? I am sorry.


44 posted on 10/12/2012 10:40:59 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Lancey Howard

Unless the coastline falls off.
In that case, the state would be solid conservative.


45 posted on 10/12/2012 10:49:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Well, obviously you weren’t if you didn’t intend it that way.

It’s hard to read how something written is meant.

I think we could divide CA - although it would never happen. Weird state shapes are nothing new, although a long skinny one might be unusual.

But - it will never happen so don’t move back! I’m looking to leave myself.


46 posted on 10/12/2012 12:48:31 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: wiggen
I never said in play. Just the appearance that Obama needs to defend it.

???

If it's not in play, then why

Nevermind.

47 posted on 10/12/2012 3:29:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Republican Wildcat

I am in southern California..and this news is hugh!


48 posted on 10/12/2012 3:30:32 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: thecodont

I would LOVE to see that, too! We Californians CANNOT sit home, thinking it won’t make a difference.

1) Fire Feinstein
2) Have a *huge vote count showing for Romney. Who knows, we may yet win it. Weirder things have happened.


49 posted on 10/18/2012 4:27:22 PM PDT by bootless ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."~RWR)
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