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Northwood schoolgirl 'beats' Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein
Harrow Observer, UK ^ | Sep 13 2012 | Caitlin Black

Posted on 10/13/2012 2:57:36 PM PDT by James C. Bennett

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To: UCANSEE2
And just where does it state that the trip has to be completed in four minutes?

The hill is one mile up and one mile down. The total trip is two miles. The average final speed has to be 30 mph. 30 mph means .5 miles per minute. 2 (the number of miles) divided by .5 (the average speed of the entire trip) = 4.
61 posted on 10/13/2012 5:08:36 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s a trick question. There is no speed you can travel the second mile and end up with a 30mph average over the two mile course. It’s impossible since you took 4 minutes to do the first mile.

You must travel the entire two miles in exactly four minutes to average 30mph.

Instant acceleration is not needed as it was stated as the max average speed the car could do for one mile up the hill.
This means it attained a speed faster than 15mph at some point on the uphill leg.


62 posted on 10/13/2012 5:10:28 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: SAJ; calljack

Time is not the issue.

Answer this riddle:

If you go 15mph for 1 mile and 45mph for 1 mile, what is your average SPEED in MPH for the two mile trip ?


63 posted on 10/13/2012 5:12:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
no faster than an average speed of 15 mi/h
Because it is so old, the car can climb the first mile—the ascent—no faster than the average speed of 15 mph
The car "CAN" travel no faster than 15 mph but did it actually do it?
AND it does not state how long it took to traverse the first uphill mile, YOU merely assumed it.........
NO MENSA FOR YOU!M/i>

I didn't assume anything. I did know that even if it hit all of its numbers that the car cannot possibly get down a hill instantaneously. Therefore, it doesn't matter how fast the car did go, as the given was that it did NOT go up the hill faster than 15 mph. If the car were capable of going a tad faster, and I wanted to allow for the possibility that it didn't use all of its speed, then I would have had to bring in parentheses and all sorts of mesy stuff that these types of problems rarely have.

64 posted on 10/13/2012 5:13:36 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: Teacher317
back when I was a much thinner 317

Oh My! I feel your pain FRiend, I'm also up there with you. It's a shame our IQ does not match our tonnage :-)

65 posted on 10/13/2012 5:14:39 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: James C. Bennett

She edged me out by 100.


66 posted on 10/13/2012 5:15:31 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Joan Kerrey
I got the same answer but now I’m stumped on how I can achieve instantaneous, I’m still working on it. The car is still at the top of the hill.

Hmmm ... while you are working on it, the clock is still ticking. I guess you will have to perform time travel.
67 posted on 10/13/2012 5:15:59 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: UCANSEE2
If you go 15mph for 1 mile and 45mph for 1 mile, what is your average SPEED in MPH for the two mile trip ?

Does that include the effect of African or European Sparrows?
68 posted on 10/13/2012 5:16:09 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Black_Shark
Think of it in terms of “time” and not “speed” and it will make sense.

But the question is about speed, and not time. Time is not in any of the givens. Time is a factor in determining MPH, but so is DISTANCE.

The issue is how you get AVERAGE MPH, not AVERAGE TIME.

Look at it this way:

IF I go 15mph for 1 mile, and 45mph for 1 mile, what is my average speed (mph) for a 2 mile course?

69 posted on 10/13/2012 5:23:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Doesn’t matter how darn long it took

If that’s true then it gets more complicated than the simple 15/45 answer. Once at the top of the hill how much time will it take to accelerate from 15mph to 45mph. That is an unknown factor and next to impossible to figure the mph necessary to offset this acceleration time to finally reach the 30mph average.
Einstein, himself, said there was no time left.


70 posted on 10/13/2012 5:24:14 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: James C. Bennett

No one should feel dumb because they did not get the proper answer to this question at once. After all, Einstein was stumped for a short time by this same question.

Once you see the trick, you will never be fooled by a similar question again. Indeed, if you took an IQ test and kept this question and how the trick was played in mind you would score higher than you would have had you never seen this question.

Just as in the real world, you MUST distill a problem down to its fundamentals. This is what a genius like Einstein did.

I can tell you that the unforgiving world of real-time programming will soon teach you how to get down to the bare facts.


71 posted on 10/13/2012 5:27:07 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu; Dr. Sivana

If I’m in a top fuel dragster,

and I do 100mph for one mile, and then I go 300mph for the second mile, what is the average MPH for a 2 mile trip ?


72 posted on 10/13/2012 5:31:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Attended one and only one Mensa meeting.”

As mentioned earlier, I was stunned by what complete jerks most of them were. There was no way I wanted any of them as friends. I was expecting much more, and was profoundly disappointed. So,,, I kept on making poor decisions on my own! I really wish I had never gotten involved in music, but it catered to my creative side, when my schooling was just failing to provide me with what I really craved! I’m a very good guitarist,,,, but I haven’t touched a guitar in two years, except to move it out of my way. Very sad.


73 posted on 10/13/2012 5:32:15 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: UCANSEE2
The Average mph for 1 mile was 15, for the second it was 45, and therefore the average MPH for a 2 mile course =(15+45) 60 divided by 2 miles gives An average of 30mph over a 2 mile course.

Nope. Average speed is total distance divided by total time. 2 miles/5.2 minutes = 23.077 miles per hour.

74 posted on 10/13/2012 5:32:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Doesn’t matter how darn long it took.

I think it does matter. To average 30mph the trip will take 4 minutes. You can go 100mph part of the trip and 10 mph some of it and 33mph some of it or 80mph some of it but the given is that you must average 30mph the whole trip. That is 4 minutes maximum allowed to make that 30mph average. You’ve used up 4 minutes going the first mile. No time left unless you can make it to the bottom of the hill instantaneously.


75 posted on 10/13/2012 5:36:10 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: OneWingedShark

no “return trip” mentioned.

Sorry, my error. I didn’t mean return trip.


76 posted on 10/13/2012 5:38:55 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Bobalu
There is no speed you can travel the second mile and end up with a 30mph average over the two mile course. It’s impossible since you took 4 minutes to do the first mile.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with average MPH.

Let's say that during the first mile, you went 5, then 10, then 15 mph, at each third of a mile. What would your average MPH for the mile course be? How long would it take? And what does it matter ? The answer you are working on is AVE MPH, not TIME.

If you are GIVEN MPH and DISTANCE, the outcome is 'time'. Therefore it cannot be the INPUT factor.

77 posted on 10/13/2012 5:41:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I knew four mensa people — one who became a warehouse manager, one who became a paralegal and never bothered to finish college, one who was the secretary of the president of the company (who couldn’t beat her on the test), and one who became a mid-level manager in a human resources department.


78 posted on 10/13/2012 5:41:52 PM PDT by goldi
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To: UCANSEE2
I do 100mph for one mile, and then I go 300mph for the second mile, what is the average MPH for a 2 mile trip ?

100 mph for 1 mile, 36 seconds. (0.01 hours)

300 mph for 1 mile, 12 seconds. (0.00333333 hours)

Total distance traveled, 2 miles.

Total time, 0.01333333 hours. (48 seconds)

Average speed, 150 MPH.

79 posted on 10/13/2012 5:43:33 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Interesting about your career in music versus your high aptitude in architecture. I can relate somewhat (not the ultra-high IQ part) in that I have strong aptitudes in music and in math/physics. I chose a career in engineering, and this has worked out very well for me, but I have always felt like I have failed to find a way to adequately express my musical ability - I am considering doing something about this, with tentative plans to create a blog to share my compositions and arrangements. I actually majored in music one year...surprisingly, engineering was much easier for me.


80 posted on 10/13/2012 5:44:56 PM PDT by Texan Tory
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