The top ten reasons why Paul Ryan won the 2012 VP debate.

Chicago Now ^ | 10/12/12 | Jeff Berkowitz

[Slings and Arrows]

Not only did the below statements and actions help bring independents to Romney-Ryan, but they helped set or reinforce the foundation for Romney’s arguments in the second Presidential debate, scheduled for this coming Tuesday night.

1. We just had an ambassador and three other Americans killed in Libya. That doesn’t happen everyday. And, Joe Biden lied about it in the debate. He said “Nobody asked us for more protection.” But, evidence indicates that is not true. It is clear from documents and testimony in recent hearings that our ambassador was asking for more protection. Worse, the Obama administration’s ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, told everybody well after the incident that the murder of our ambassador was due to spontaneous protests about the production of a U. S. film offensive to Muslims. We now know that was clearly a false statement and Ms. Rice either did and should have known that. Biden blamed last night that error  on incorrect intelligence information. That won’t hold up. This was not a good way to win independent votes.
2. Biden spent the evening smirking, smiling, sneering, interrupting, overtalking  and being sarcastic when his opponent, Cong. Paul Ryan (R-Janesville) was speaking. Due to a split screen, everyone watching this on TV could see it. It suggests that Biden is an immature, insensitive, quirky person who is too unstable to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  Also, you have to wonder about the kind of debate preparation Biden had and does this show disarray among Obama’s staff.  Shouldn’ they exercise some control over Biden. This could be dispositive against Obama for independents and undecided voters.
3. Iran is racing toward a nuclear weapon and nothing that Biden said should have been reassuring to voters. Obama spent several years trying to be nice to Iran, in hopes they would accept the peace offerings. They didn’t  and nothing said by Biden last night  should have been persuasive to independent and undecided voters that Obama’s approach to Iran is a good one.
4.  As Ryan said last night, the current state of the U. S. economy is not what a recovery looks like: 1.4 % annualized rate of GDP growth, 7.8% current unemployment,  8% to 10% unemployment for most of Obama’s tenure and 23 million Americans struggling with some sort of unemployment or underemployment.  A 800 billion dollar stimulus program that did little. Why should anybody think that four more years of this approach will make the situation markedly better. This won’t attract independent voters.
5. Ryan articulated a Romney-Ryan plan to reform and save medicare, while not changing it for those over the age of 54. Biden said nothing other than he was against any reform of Medicare. Even the moderator, left of center Martha Raddatz, seemed annoyed when she asked Biden, “Why not raise the age for medicare eligibily just one year sometime in the future.”  Biden had no answer.  Independents are unlikely to be attracted to Biden’s unwillingness to take any steps to fix Medicare.
6.  Biden argued that Obama-Biden would not raise taxes at all for middle class families, but that clearly taxes should be increased for the top 2%.  Ryan argued that such tax increases would hurt job creation, as the top 3% include many small businessmen who would engage in less saving and investment and thus create fewer jobs, if their taxes were increased. Independents would like to see true, expanded efforts to create jobs, especially in the private sector.
7. Biden is very proud of the fact that our combat troops are essentially out of Iraq  and we will  be out of Afghanistan by 2014. While Romney-Ryan do not differ markedly on this item with Obama-Biden, Ryan did argue that Obama didn’t have to make the time line so certain and public. A little doubt as to our intentions might have slowed down the return of the Taliban. This should be an attractive argument to independents who might want to diminish the power of people who killed 3000 Americans.
8. Biden thought he would try to scare women into thinking Romney-Ryan had on their agenda legislation to make abortion completely illegal.  But Ryan said simply that he believes life begins at conception, referring to the fetus his wife and he saw via an ultrasound. He said the Romney-Ryan policy is one of opposing abortion except in cases of rape, incest or where the life of the mother is at stake. Moreover, Ryan doesn’t seem to want to appoint judges who would try to ban abortion. Rather, Ryan thinks abortion policy should be set by the elected representatives of the people, not judges. Further, Ryan alluded to the values of Biden when Ryan pointed out that Biden said he would not second guess China’s policy of forced abortion and sterilization to enforce the Chinese one child policy.  Over-all, it appears that the Romney -Ryan position on abortion might be closer to that of independents than that of Obama-Biden.
9. The abortion discussion took place near the end of the debate. So, Biden smirked, smiled, sneered, laughed and was very sarcastic throughout the entire debate, except for the abortion discussion, when he seemed to be quite serious. This might give independents the impression that Biden was not that concerned about taxes, unemployment, spending,  Iran and U. S. ambassadors being killed.  Yes, his only serious concern was a woman’s unlimited right to have an abortion anywhere, anytime and under any circumstances.  That might not be an attractive position to independents.
10. To close, Biden said he just wanted to level the playing field and give everyone a fair shot. For Ryan, it was all about the economy and jobs. Ryan said Romney-Ryan would accept the responsibility to bring about a real recovery. Again, advantage Ryan, in terms of winning over independent and undecided voters.

[Slings and Arrows]

Still laughing, Joe?

[Salgak]

Indeed. “They haven’t started building a weapon”.

Ahem. That’s the EASY part. The hard part is getting the enriched fissionables, that Lunch-Bucket Joe himself admitted they had enough for ~5 weapons.

Let’s face it. **Our** people built nukes with 1940s and 1950s tech. . . back in the 40’s and 50’s. It’s all just a matter of engineering. . . .The Iranians already produce drones and missiles, that’s 60s tech and newer. . .

The conclusion SHOULD be obvious. . .

[ETL]

[Pollster1]

Biden spent the evening smirking, smiling, sneering, interrupting, overtalking and being sarcastic when his opponent, Cong. Paul Ryan (R-Janesville) was speaking. Due to a split screen, everyone watching this on TV could see it.

I'm curious about this broadcast decision. Is the split screen something they decided in advance and never reconsidered? Is it something they saw as an advantage for Biden because the far left liked his clownish behavior? Did the production staff know it was harming Biden but continue with the technique to report honestly (perhaps a first for modern news media)? I'm glad they did it but also rather surprised.

[Slings and Arrows]

They did split-screen at the Presidential debate too. Frankly, my guess is that they did it because they can. Makes for a better show.

[Candor7]

Indeed. “They haven’t started building a weapon”. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ryan clearly believes Benyamin Nethanyahu. Biden believes in horse pucky, and would have an Iranian Nuclear device set off in the Straits of Hormuz.

There is a clear difference. Biden just doesn't care about having a nuclear bomb exploding on the earth's surface and the attendant loss of life, fall out pollution, or the reduction of oil resources......RESULT, HUGE SUFFERING IN AMERICA and Saudi Arabia designed to bring about a FORCED "green economy in the West"...GET IT? Biden is a liberal fascist, as is Obama. They are nefarious and worthy of the highest contempt.

[Gene Eric]

Biden is not a #ing idiot. He’s a negligent asshole.

[Salgak]

As for the Saudis, who cares. They can hump sand, for all I care, and probably do.

My only interest is that of the United States and its’ citizens. . . .

[FredZarguna]

The physics and engineering obstacles to building a high yield thermonuclear weapon are extremely difficult, and that has probably never been done in full originality by anyone but the US. Personally, without information he obtained from the Implosion Conspirators, and other traitors, I don't believe Sakharov would have been capable for years, if ever.

On the other hand, the obstacles to building a simple, low yield nuclear weapon are essentially difficult problems in metallurgy, materials handling, and chemical engineering. The physics and bomb-making aspect is trivial. You have enough fissile uranium, you have a bomb. The Iranians probably would not have been capable of it without a lot of help. They got the help by violating the NNPT, so now they've mastered that aspect.

Biden is an ass who has no idea what he is talking about. Iran has surrogates throughout the world, such as Hezbollah, who would be perfectly willing to move two sub-critical hemispheres of uranium to any destination on the planet. The Islamist nutjobs delivering them would have to do it in a relay. All of them would certainly die; they don't care about that. You put the two hemispheres in a long tube and detonate high explosive at each end, and you have Hiroshima. But Biden wants to continue to play the jackass with potentially hundreds of thousands of lives in DC, NY, or Israel at stake.

[sodpoodle]

Saul Alinsky tactics:
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

[Salgak]

I’m well aware of that. I read somewhere, that the Soviets had a class of weapon that was basically a sphere of material, minus a conic section. The CONE, was at the other end of a tube, with a thin layer of foil in front, and of all things, black powder behind it. A simple “atomic” bomb is trivial, given materials.

I’ve ALSO read that the **REAL** challenges are either doing more with less (i.e. “tactical” weapons”), or scaling up and going thermonuclear, as you suggested. . .

[wayoverontheright]

Romney: “This administration wants us to believe intelligence was wrong on Benghazi, but will be absolutely perfect when it comes to Iran’s level of achievement as relates to a nuclear bomb”.

[Slings and Arrows]

Well said.

[afraidfortherepublic]

My husband (who worked at Berkeley’s Lawrence Radiation Lab at one point in his career) says that all you have to do to create havoc is to load that fissionable material into a suitcase with and explosive and set it off within our borders. The contamination would be spread far and wide with dreadful consequences. You don’t need some high tech delivery system. One of the multitude of their suicide bombers would do quite nicely.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Slings and Arrows.

[madameguinot]

AT the very least, Biden provided oodles of clips for Romney ads. Ryan did not provide anything for the opposition.

[T. P. Pole]

That was my thhought. They don’t need to design a delivery vehicle. They could just load it into an airplane.

[The_Reader_David]

Alinsky was an evil man, but he was not stupid. When he spoke of ridicule as a potent weapon, he was thinking of Voltaire and Swift, not Bozo the Clown or Don Rickles.

Of course, if Biden were smart enough to engage in ridicule on the model of Voltaire and Swift, he’d also be smart enough to see he’s on a sinking ship, that his ideology has failed, and that our country and civilization face serious problems. Instead we’ve got Vice President Bozo Rickles Biden — we must hope only until January.

[The_Reader_David]

Airplane or container ship. And they don’t need a test: the design for Little Boy was tested over Hiroshima, and the Iranians are all in on a uranium bomb, rather than a fussier to construct plutonium bomb, which if not built just right fizzles.

[Liz]

Biden kept smirking, smiling, sneering, interrupting, overtalking and being sarcastic when Ryan spoke..........suggests Biden is an unstable immature, insensitive, quirky person.....

Showed even more.....to women victims of spousal abuse.

Biden’s rude laughs, snorts and sneers, his hectoring and mugging displayed Dems' in an evil light--- according to some women.....

Women who've suffered spousal abuse said they could barely watch the debate-—b/c they were unnerved by Biden’s antics. They say Biden eerily reminded them of abusive husbands. All the tactics abusive men use to brutalize and demean, to make women feel inadequate and unimportant were the tactics they saw Biden use:

(1) not listening to their side,

(2) interrupting when they dared speak up,

(3) laughing and mugging when they tried to air their grievances,

(4) demeaning and marginalizing them for daring to disagree,

(5) asserting superority to keep them subjugated,

(6) showing contempt when they tried to defend themselves,

(7) being condescending to them and disdainful of their views.

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Women were unsettled by Biden’s behavior. Those who say Biden “won” the debate-—must be all men.

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AFTER THOUGHT Best to keep talkin' up Biden w/ fem-lib talk----b/c it makes Dems go ballistic----and b/c more and more women will see Team Obama for what they really are---a bunch of phonies.

Women need to ask themselves---who would they rather see come home for dinner--smiling/abusive Biden or soft-spoken, working-class Ryan?