Posted on 10/14/2012 5:58:48 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Pentagon Probe After Nuclear Submarine Crash
Military officials are investigating after a nuclear submarine collided with a Navy cruiser during routine operations.
The Pentagon is investigating why a Navy nuclear submarine collided with an Aegis cruiser off the East Coast.
The US Fleet Forces Command said the USS Montpelier submarine and the Aegis cruiser USS San Jacinto crashed at about 3.30pm on Saturday during routine operations.
No one was injured, and the extent of any damage to the vessels is unclear.
Both Navy ships are based at Norfolk, Virginia. The Pentagon did not say where the collision took place.
"We have had circumstances where Navy vessels have collided at sea in the past, but they're fairly rare as to how often they do take place," Lieutenant Commander Brian Badura said.
"If we do have an incident that does take place, there are folks that swing into action to help us make a better, more conclusive explanation of exactly what happened."
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Multiple naval careers sunk. Film at eleven.
Doh...
Bingo.
And if it is not so, we are in a world of hurt.
Obama’s campaign will blame it on the video, then on ‘intelligence’, and then finally blame the Republicans for being pro-military and distracting the Navy from their “no man’s behind left alone” policy.
It was happy hour in the Post-DADT homo lounge and the duty personnel were “distracted”?
Never heard of ships “crashing” into each other. Ships collide.
True, but there was only one ship. The other one was a boat. I guess if the Captain rammed the ship, his career came crashing down? Anyway, if an enlisted man becomes an officer, he might be called a mustang. Can an officer become an enlisted man? What would he be called? Have you ever heard of an officer getting busted to enlisted?
That is an interesting question, but I’ve certainly never heard of an officer being busted to enlisted. An officer is truly supposed to be a “gentleman,” and is expected to maintain a level of comportment. Anything beneath that level would not be grounds for simply lowering his rank; it would be grounds for dismissal. There are situations where a senior officer might through indirect fault, be made to accept the consequences-such as the grounding of a vessel. In this case, they might lose their command, and accept a transfer if otherwise deemed to be a good officer.
is this just standard journalism that requires an adjective salad like all waters are either icy or shark-infested?
It sometimes happens that an officer will leave active service after his commitment then join a reserve unit near his home. Sometime that reserve unit has no open billets for officers, so the former officer will join as an NCO.
This enables him to accumulate points toward retirement. This is NOT as a result of being demoted.
“An officer is truly supposed to be a “gentleman,” and is expected to maintain a level of comportment.”
A joke if there ever was one. This may have had a kernel of truth 160 years ago. But -most-enlisteds today are at least the equal of of officers in comportment and class, and normally their betters. Our officer corps today is filled with craven self servers,, and political idealogues.
Most of the atrocities and outrages of our military today are laid flatly at the feet of the vaunted officers. Abu Graib, to denying fire support to Marines in a firefight, to exusing, coddling and hiding MAJOR Hassan. It’s always officers knowing, yet NOT leading the charge. And i forget, how many officers resigned in protest recently,,over ANYTHING? Queers? Homo classes forced on grunts in combat, rules of engagement that murder our men, etc?
NO, the Officers are almost universally no longer gentlemen or worthy of respect.
Tough truths that FReepers don’t want to hear!
And all weapons used in a crime are “semi-automatic...”
That’s a very cynical opinion. While there are certainly officers who kowtow too easily to political pressure in an effort to boost their careers, it’s been my experience that the training and indoctrination they receive separates them from the enlisted classes. And as a former enlisted man—while there are some very decent ones, worthy of fulfilling the expectations of officers—the majority are not generally not. I don’t mean they’re not honorable, brave, or otherwise patriotic; it’s just that they’re not exposed to the same experiences, education or expectations as officers.
The ones that are are driven out by political quislings using propaganda as law! See Chessani and West as examples.
I knew a sergeant once who had been a major, was passed-over for promotion too many times, but was close to 20 years service, so he was allowed to remain in the service, but as an enlisted guy until he hit 20 years, at which time he would be allowed to retire as a major.
Note that this was not for any active malfeasance on his part; his only error was that he wasn't good enough to get promoted.
I would say you are being a little harsh. Sounds like you had some less than pleasant experiences with your officers as we all did. You should not be lumped in with some generality about enlisted any more than to put all officers in one category. Some cops are bad, some teachers are bad, some priests, some brokers, etc. But not all. I think on the whole, our armed services are predominately filled with honorable and honest men and women, enlisted and officers.
Please don’t take this as a condescending remark, but after Viet Nam, my bitterness went away in a few years. Hopefully yours will.
It most likely happen due to temperature layers in the water that block sound in the water. It makes it hard to hear surface craft. STS2 SS (That is the rate of a submarine sonar tech for four years)
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