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Two SEALs ruin October Surprise
Author ^ | 10/14/2012 | Kozy

Posted on 10/14/2012 8:28:48 AM PDT by Kozy

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1 posted on 10/14/2012 8:28:57 AM PDT by Kozy
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To: Kozy

Sounds WAY MORE plausible than any of the stories the White Hut is putting out.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 8:33:25 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: Kozy

The libs always thought Reagan won by doing something similar. It was a lie, of course, but as much as they like projecting I can easily believe the gist of your theory.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 8:36:28 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kozy

Not stellar writing, but you know what? Your scenario is ABUNDANTLY believable and makes the most logical sense to this twisted imbroglio that I have seen so far.

Obama likes complex, covert treachery that promptly runs aground —a liberal Nixon, but super dumb.

FITS HIS M.O. LIKE A GLOVE...!


4 posted on 10/14/2012 8:38:03 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kozy
We can only thank every day these SEALS for defending America with their lives.

My "dream" scenario .... Seal Team 6 perp walking Obama & The Mooch out of the White House

5 posted on 10/14/2012 8:39:17 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: skeeter

Except they forget Reagan wasn’t running as the incumbent.

Campaigning with one or more members of the Diplomatic Corps being held hostage by third-world barbarians, then securing their release by releasing another murderous barbarian is NOT a sure-fire recipe for electoral success.


6 posted on 10/14/2012 8:42:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kozy

Great job - completely fits all the hard data we have, and fits this egotistical admin to a “T”.


7 posted on 10/14/2012 8:43:39 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: MissMagnolia
My "dream" scenario .... Seal Team 6 perp walking Obama & The Mooch out of the White House

That would be glorious!

8 posted on 10/14/2012 8:43:40 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Kozy

I guess we’ll find out in a few weeks whether the above is true. Any administration that would attempt so crazy a plan will do something equally crazy as exigency demands. (Lotta’ slippage in their vote count these days)Then again they seem to have armed foaming crazies in Mexico as a means of attacking our own Constitution...so...


9 posted on 10/14/2012 8:45:01 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Kozy

That’s the only cogent and consistent opinion as to what really happened over there that I have read. I am sorry to say you are probably right.

I can’t find any legitimate reason why our embassy wasn’t secure. There is no reasonable reason I can come up with.

It’s 9/11 anniversary in Libya. Why on that day, or on ANY day, would we not have Marines guarding our embassy?


10 posted on 10/14/2012 8:46:01 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Mr. K

Hmmm, a very interesting theory. It does make one think doesn’t it?


11 posted on 10/14/2012 8:47:09 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Kozy

Your theory is easy to prove.

Look for a series of questionable single gunshot wound suicides and single engine aircraft accidents involving people in a position to know the truth.


12 posted on 10/14/2012 8:48:28 AM PDT by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: Kozy

no......

To complex and fragile to be real


13 posted on 10/14/2012 8:48:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: gaijin

I agree. Get the piece edited then let the world read it!


14 posted on 10/14/2012 8:48:36 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Mr. K
I have been advocating the same theory for a month with no reaction from anyone because it was intuition not backed up with fact. Thank you for filling in the details. This entire episode was a set-up. Even the producer of the “movie” is a shadowy figure. Supposedly he is a “Coptic Christian” yet his family denies this and he has connections with radical Muslims. This situation was suppose to be the “October Surprise” we were all expecting. It was botched by patriots who were not part of the plan. There is no comparison to Watergate... this evil plan took the lives of brave Americans and involves treasonous collusion with our enemies.
15 posted on 10/14/2012 8:51:36 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: MissMagnolia
My "dream" scenario .... Seal Team 6 perp walking Obama & The Mooch out of the White House

Mine has long been Lakin walking them out in handcuffs, out the back door past the other garbage and straight into Lakin's old cell for the rest of eternity. I'll give you Seal Team 6 escorting them out and am adding the Hawaii Dept. of Health, Gov. Pothead to Leavenworth party and most of the Hill. Heck, just fence off D.C. with razor wire and call it a day.

16 posted on 10/14/2012 8:51:36 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Kozy

It fits.

From savior/negotiator to betrayer/deceiver.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 8:51:42 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: SCalGal
I have also come to the same inclusion especially when you note that the Chinook helicopter was brought down with one of those SAM's killing 38 of our finest when the CIA was supposed to have secured all of those SAM's when Gadafi went down, along with some chemical weapons and some nuclear material.

It is also interesting that peace talks with the Taliban broke down after they used that SAM to knock down the Chinook

I think trading the blind sheik in exchange for the 30,000 SAM's & other weapons for a kidnapped Stevens was the October surprise...why else would you send him to such a danger zone stripped of all protection...nothing else makes any sense!
18 posted on 10/14/2012 8:53:34 AM PDT by Stayfree (Find out how Obama is destroying America at White House Commie.com!!)
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To: Kozy
I've often wondered right from the beginning if before the convention Obama promised Morsi that the US would not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Out of political pressure Obama was forced (and reluctantly so) so change it back during the convention.

Whether there was a promise or not I'm sure Morsi was disappointed.

There were LOTS of Muzzies at the DNC convention (probably because of Obama's stance on this issue and they voted "NO!" at the convention.

I still think THIS video had something to do with the terrorist attack in Benghazi.

http://youtu.be/cE4S2uvFPZI

19 posted on 10/14/2012 8:53:34 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Kozy

This would definitely offer additional support for why Obama went to bed, thinking he knew exactly where the “missing” ambassador was.


20 posted on 10/14/2012 8:54:09 AM PDT by BastropBarbie
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To: Kozy

Think Iran 1979....A U.S. Ambassador with no security detail? Highly unlikely..For anyone who served in Southeast Asia.. has either been part of the security detail or interacted with said details.
This was a setup designed to provide cover. Personal opinion...2 former S.E.A.L.’s were the flies in the ointment.
The WH was not surprised of the U.S. Consulate attack! No Presser by Present Obama....curious..
The sacrificial terrorists were provided weapons and were more likely convinced of the fact there would be no resistance. Hence, once the 2 former S.E.A.L.’s Donerty and Woods intervened, well...the situation escalated way beyond the original plans.


21 posted on 10/14/2012 8:54:47 AM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Kozy

This would mean that the primary allies in the re-election efforts of a sitting US Preident was AL QAEDA.

Who was the security guy who said, “the Taliban is inside the building”...?

Now I know PERFECTLY how he felt and why.


22 posted on 10/14/2012 9:03:27 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kozy
What was not planned for were former SEALS Donerty and Woods. They were not part of Stevens security detail; they happened to be in Benghazi working for the CIA to located missing surface-to-air missiles.

You see the Congressional testimony? When asked how many surface to air (I thought shoulder-mounted) missles, the State Dept guy said something like, "10,000 to 20,000". Eerie. No one picked that one up.

23 posted on 10/14/2012 9:05:18 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Kozy

Good scenerio. I wonder what our Ambassador and important security documents were doing in Bengahzi with little security at less than standard accomodations in an area that everyone else (UN, Brits) were bugging out.
Another scenerio: An AQ attack on a CIA operation with the Ambassador as collateral damage? (The Libs despise the CIA)


24 posted on 10/14/2012 9:07:55 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Kozy

This scenario is very believable for many reasons. Just two that come to mind are:

1) that leftists would manipulate, connive, lie and distort for the purpose of political gain

2) that the only thing these leftists are ultimately capable of, when they try to manipulate circumstances involving elements of military intelligence, is to completely screw up their own plan

It’s as if they had Valerie Jarrett running things.


25 posted on 10/14/2012 9:09:57 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Kozy

Thank you Kozy, this sure makes more sense than anything we have heard.


26 posted on 10/14/2012 9:10:59 AM PDT by angelsonmyside (Someone please send the Loser in Chief a "President For Dummy's" book.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Wow! Your dream scenario gave me a “Chrissy Mathews Moment”.


27 posted on 10/14/2012 9:16:51 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: Terry Mross
As has been commented, I an not a writer. Hope someone else with a better pen than I will expand and explore.

The two SEALS who gave their lives and threw the monkey wrench into the story are the heroes. Read about them in the following account. It was got me thinking and as the stories have unfolded, I believe I am right with the true story.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/09/21/boldly-into-the-breach/

28 posted on 10/14/2012 9:17:45 AM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Kozy
I'll buy part of your story. The movie, the movie was part of someone's operation. Whose? I have no idea. But clearly the White House stuck to the movie cover story far longer then it would have had they not seriously thought the movie would be used as a pretext for protests. So did they have intel? Or did they have a plan? Further then that I am not yet willing to go.

A much simpler explanation is that Libya (Obama War) was suppose to show case his great expertise in foreign affairs. Consequently Obama seeking not to offend the Libyans did not want a large security foot print at our installations in Libya. Libya was suppose to be a great success for Obama not another problem for the USA in a very problem prone part of the world. As we now know it all blew up in Obamas' face. And he is desperately looking for something or someone to blame. My take fixes the facts and is much simpler to understand. :)

29 posted on 10/14/2012 9:20:47 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: bert
To complex and fragile to be real

How so? It fits every verifiable detail as to timing and placement of personnel.

Stevens stayed later than everyone else (who left in August, I believe).

The video was an excuse. It had been released months earlier, and even the Libyans said there was no protest...that is was a terrorist act.

The security personnel were removed and indigenous personnel comprised the security team.

There WAS media babble about releasing the 'blind sheik'

What exactly DOESN'T fit?

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IMHO, the principle of Occam's razor applies. That among competing hypotheses, the one which makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.

I can find no 'assumptions' in the author's theory, and the one assumption previously posed by another FReeper fits the facts as well.

It would explain WHY Obama wasn't concerned about the 3am phone call and why NOTHING was done while our people were being murdered.

One has to wonder what those people who ignored those cries for help are thinking now.

30 posted on 10/14/2012 9:21:27 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Kozy

Now I absolutely understand how and why he Bengazi assault was led by a radical who was released from Gitmo —clearly this plan wasn’t hatched and executed on-the-fly; that nut was released for a very specific reason and his REAL boss was and possibly even IS NOW Vallerie Jarrett.


31 posted on 10/14/2012 9:22:00 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kozy

Kozy,

The scenario you describe is simply ridiculous and sheer folly. However, given this administration’s extreme radical ideology combined with msm immunity and interference, they probably thought the scheme could be pulled off. I reluctantly admit your theory makes the most “sense.” Strong work.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 9:23:38 AM PDT by Cruz ("Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a well-heeled Western liberal t)
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To: Kozy

Were the two Seals in the room with Stephens and Smith when the “guard” was taking the pictures? The pictures were being sent to someone and they would have been noticed. Or maybe they were being sent for ID reasons but it was something Smith wrote about on Eve online to his friend. He was so perturbed he mentioned they mightn’t get out alive.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 9:25:15 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: gaijin

It is standing procedure at Gitmo that when radicals there cooperate sufficiently they are rewarded —many times with full RELEASE.

Now I know what treacherous bargain was struck with that particular jihadi.

SEE THE RING FOR WHAT IT IS.


34 posted on 10/14/2012 9:28:23 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kozy
Your theory though plausible.... Has a hole in it...

The Obama administration could have just easily waited until after the election to “ release” the blind sheik

If he won.... It's done for humantian reasons....

If he lost...it’s done just because he can....

35 posted on 10/14/2012 9:30:21 AM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Kozy
Check out who made that video, and who was initially blamed for its creation. I do not believe for one minute it came about by accident. The rest of your story line is plausible given what we now know.
36 posted on 10/14/2012 9:30:59 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Kozy

Good find, thanks. Wonder if it’s true? Wonder if we’ll ever know?


37 posted on 10/14/2012 9:32:28 AM PDT by DManA
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To: skeeter

Reagan won by projecting Reagan. The American people knew he would protect us and the muzzies knew they would have to deal with him and not the befuddled Carter.


38 posted on 10/14/2012 9:34:16 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Kozy

“So the terrorists plan the assault on the embassy thinking there would be no resistance. Well two SEALS never back down from defending America and Americans. These two heros gave their lives fighting to protect our embassy and our ambassador. No telling how many peaceful muslim they transported to the after life however the terrorists who thought this was just a walk in the park protect now sought out the Americans to kill them not hold them captive. The over throw went from hostage taking to killing.”

Even without this scenario (which is plausible to me) I have been believing that those seals gave their lives for bringing forth the incompetence and malintent of this administration into public view.


39 posted on 10/14/2012 9:36:41 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Kozy
This is a little sleazy:

They told the Guardian"

Most people reading that think The Guardian is the relatively respectable newspaper from GB. What the hell is the "Washington Guardian"?

40 posted on 10/14/2012 9:36:59 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Mr. K

Let’s even go so far as to say Ambassador Stevens was part of the plot. He helped the Libyan rebels, trusted them, thought they were his friends.


41 posted on 10/14/2012 9:39:01 AM PDT by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: Mr. K

Bump!


42 posted on 10/14/2012 9:39:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kozy

The problem with this story is that, if you actually think about it, it makes their sacrifice not only moot, but suggest that as well-meaning as they were, they actually cost people lives for no reason.

It would be like an armed citizen, accidentally walking into the set of an action movie, seeing a bad guy pull a gun and start shooting, and shoot back. Sure, they are a “hero”, but it’s tragic because they kill someone who didn’t need to be killed, and maybe then others get shot, and it turns out badly.


43 posted on 10/14/2012 9:41:52 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Kozy

i understand your thought and wouldn’t be surprised if 0dumbo planned this
but according to what I have read and what the state dept put out the SEALS who played an huge role , were not in postion to stop the ammbassador from being killed.
It appears they were several buildings away during the time the ambassador was trapped in his “ safe house”

Not that the SEALS were not heroic. they left their safe area and went in harms way. They are heroes

0dumbo is the vilest POS walking


44 posted on 10/14/2012 9:42:32 AM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: tsowellfan

Thanks for the link. I’ve sent this to my email list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4S2uvFPZI&feature=youtu.be

Just as an idle (idol?) question, wonder if this stance of the Democrat Party has anything to do with events in Benghazi and the Middle East?


45 posted on 10/14/2012 9:47:06 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: MamaTexan

-——the principle of Occam’s razor applies-——

Trying to make a war into American internal machinations is simplistic conservative balderdash. FReepers fail to give the enemy credit for the ability to act and conduct a war.

The simple solution is that there is a war and the incident was a well planned and successful enemy assault that killed a high level target.


46 posted on 10/14/2012 9:48:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SCalGal

Remember the question asked before Reagan was elected?

What is flat and black and glows in the dark?

Answer: Iran 30 minutes after Reagan is sworn in.

Mullahs understood the consequences of a Reagan presidency.

Would he have called for glass parking lots in Tehran? Probably not, but there would have been a high price for their actions. It was unsaid but understood.

Now, Obozo is in bed with the Islamists and they know it. They also know he is going to be defeated in November.


47 posted on 10/14/2012 9:49:38 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Bump your comment in 23


48 posted on 10/14/2012 9:50:26 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: jpsb
You are correct.

The video protest in Egypt and the attack were coordinated to occur at the same time. It's a cover story to try and make it appear as if the terrorist are so in tune with the news they can carry out an attack at the drop of a hat.

There was an al Quaeda doc recovered in Afghanistan. It was a letter from UBL to Mullah Omar.

In the doc UBl makes the passing statement to the effect The news is 905 the preparation for the battle.

If you have a small scale attack you can achieve your objective by carrying out the attack based on what is in the news.

For a large scale attack, because of the timing, you have to orchestrate the news for the attack and then follow up after the attack with the right spin.

The terrorist don't have the ability to orchestrate the news and follow up with the right spin after the attack, only people on the left in this country has the ability to it.

That's why the original “spin” from the Obama administration was that it was spontaneous and now they are attempting to “spin” that the protest and attack are unrelated in any why.

My bet is this was orchestrated by Hillary, with Obama’s knowledge, to set Hillary up for a run against Romney in 2016. Have Stevens released on the day Romney is sworn in and SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE “October Surprise II”>

49 posted on 10/14/2012 9:50:32 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: satan

As a gay muslim who had armed many ofthe rebels it is unlikeley but possible that Stevens knew that his “capture” by the daaaastardly rebels was part of the script. And that neat, intended chain of events was overtaken by the fog of the smokey battle that ended up playing out, with Stevens and the others all dying on that well-filmed stage.

There is planning but then there is messy reality also.

The academicians do not understand the sort of people that SEAL training turns those men into.


50 posted on 10/14/2012 9:52:32 AM PDT by gaijin
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